Value for money tires

wildwheels · 10th January 2009, 08:01

Hi,

I am deciding on new footwear for my Lancer. And I always take a lot of time with decisions for my car's or bikes so I have a lot of time on my hands to decide. On my Peugeot I was using NCT5's they were a bit noisy but for the price I think they held on pretty good. I did Munnar - Cochin in just under 2 hours. And the tires held without a prob. If anybody is familiar with the route you would agree thats quite reasonable. But on wide corners the cas on one occation spun widthwise. But that particular curve is know to be quite notorious. NCT5's are what comes standard on the Merc and also they are at the lower spectrum of the price range. Profile was 175.

On my Fiesta I used Acclere and till date I am very happy with them. They are very quiet. I have hit puddles of water in heavy rains at over 100 and they seemed to have no aquaplaning problems at least at my limits. The tire is very reasonably priced. Profile was 195. I again shod the same tires but 185 profile on an Optra and found no difference in traction and the ride has improved considering the NCT5's that it came with. Now this brings me to my first question. I noticed that the 185 held on as well as my 195 shod Fiesta although both on different cars. I feel apart from giving for car's a look 185 should be fair enough. And food for though is that most rally cars Iv seen are shod either with 175 or 185 and these cars are driven to the limit. So is 195 an overdose if priority is a quicker car with lesser rolling resistance adding to Mileage and cornering in the range of 80-110 Km/h.

My Plaio S10 had the works on it ie cold air,FFE, sythetic oil etc.. so I pampered it with Michelin Pilot Preceda's. These tires I must say are great. I really used the tires to the limit at the local autocross. They held on like crazy and gain the profile was 185 against popular 195 as I wanted my car to be quicker and agile. There is no doubts this is a superior tire but comes at a superior price of 4600 in Cochin comapared to the Accelere at about 3000. IS this tire worth the price? Is there all that difference in traction to account for a Rs 1500 difference in a tire? Also the tire does not last as much as an Accelere.

My Lancer is currently shod with borrowed 175X13 Michelin XM1's. The tires need replacing. The profile was ok but the car would start a slide on hard cornering but was quite predictable and can be corrected. I need to upgrade to a 195x60x15. I am also toying on the idea of forgetting the looks and going in for 185 to make it a tad bit quicker and less rolling resistance. Comments appreciated.

On my shopping I found an immensely tempting price of 2600/- on a set of Goodyear GT3's ie almost 2k less than a Precida's. I average maybe 7-8k a year maybe less and looks decent but I corner at close to 80 most times and maybe even more on long drives. Would these tires hold? Have not found any review on the net.

I havent tasted the Potenza's but form what I hear everfything about these tires are good. The GSD3's although good tires are a bit too noisy and also if you have a small mis alignment those tires melt like wax as my friend found out driving down from Salem.

iraghava · 10th January 2009, 09:29

I don't think fitting 195/60 R15 on the Lancer is a good idea as they might foul with the wheel arches. And GT3's are decent tyres but do not expect them to perform anywhere even close to the Pilot Preceda's.

For the price, they're decent VFM though but I would suggest you also look at the what Yokohama has to offer in 195/55 R15.

greenhorn · 10th January 2009, 09:36

wildwheels, know anyone who has tried the apollo accelere sportz asymmetric tires? or their pricing ? I wonder if they are good enough to be the VFM upgrade over the acelleres you are looking for

WasavaTyres · 10th January 2009, 14:41

195/60/15 should not foul with the wheel arches on your lancer,as I've seen one car with 205/65/R15 tyres on it. As iraghava rightly said,do check out the 195/55/R15 from yokohoma,you're sure to be impressed. And albiet priced a tad higher will be miles ahead of GT3's on the performance front.

wildwheels · 11th January 2009, 16:02

okay I did the math before I decided on 195X60R15. The OE tires are 175x80R13 ie the profile of the tire is about 140mm. When I upgrade to 15 inch the icrease in radius is 1 inch ie 25.4mm. So after upsizing my sidewall should be 140-25.4 ie 114.6. So the profile on 15 inch with 195 tires would be (114.6x100)/195 which is 58.7. No if I were to go for 55 then my sidewall thickness would be (195x55)/100 ie 107.25. The percentage difference is ((114.6-107.25) /114.6)x100 which is 6.4%. Wheras with 195x60R15 the percentage deviation is ((117-114.6)/114.6X100 ie 2.0%. Therefore with a 60 profile tire my deviation from recommended is 2.0% which is accectable wheras with 55 it is 6.4%.

Also I plan to mod my suspension in future with lower springs so wouldnt want to reduce more that I want by way of tire profile too. Besides with our roads in Kerala where a clean road surprises you with a pothole I wouldnt bet on a 55 profile tire.

But thank you for all the input didnt actually look at Yokohoma as peopel said the S drive was not comfortable what is the specific yOKO you are talking about?

ankitahuja · 16th January 2009, 17:29

Since the thread talks about VFM tyres, can someone enlighten me with prices for options in 185/70/13 and 195/60/14 sizes in NCR.

Maxxis, Apollo, Bridgestone, Yokos.

leadf00t · 16th January 2009, 18:08

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Originally Posted by ankitahuja

Since the thread talks about VFM tyres, can someone enlighten me with prices for options in 185/70/13 and 195/60/14 sizes in NCR.

Maxxis, Apollo, Bridgestone, Yokos.

I have 185/70R13 bridgstone turanzas on my lancer.
Nice VFM stuff with decent grip and good ride quality on bad roads.
bought them for 2950 a peice 1 year ago. Already run 20K and the tread has hardly worn off.

ankitahuja · 17th January 2009, 02:22

* Thanks aah78

Thanks for the reply leadf00t. I have Michelin XM1's in 185/70/13 and love the ride quality over BS, but somehow these have lasted me only 25k kms (can force 5k more at max). I have to replace soon and do not want to spend the same amount of money (I got them for 3.2k a piece). Looking at other alternatives.

Airtejas · 17th January 2009, 06:53

I have been reading this thread and others on tyre replacement.How does Apollo Acclere rate over Michelin XM1+.My Esteem Lxi (2006) needs new set of tyres(they have stock Goodyear) and I drive 90kms everyday(2500kms/month on avg) 75% on highways & 25% on city.All the dealers are recommending Apollo Acclere for my driving (175/70R13).But my bet is Xm1+.Comments & Suggestions.

Jaguar · 17th January 2009, 23:41

Do Xm1+ come under VFM category? From what I have seen, they are just a couple of 100 bucks cheaper than PP2s at around Rs.4400 a piece.

vancity · 18th January 2009, 00:01

Guys why not get the best value for our money and share info about tires to find the best VFM tires based on Max Comfort, usage,rating and pricing on various tire brands..thanks

nitrous · 18th January 2009, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airtejas

I have been reading this thread and others on tyre replacement.How does Apollo Acclere rate over Michelin XM1+.My Esteem Lxi (2006) needs new set of tyres(they have stock Goodyear) and I drive 90kms everyday(2500kms/month on avg) 75% on highways & 25% on city.All the dealers are recommending Apollo Acclere for my driving (175/70R13).But my bet is Xm1+.Comments & Suggestions.

Get atleast 185s. Either 185/65/R13 or 185/60/R14.
Michelin, Yokohama ,Continentals come highly recommended on here.

Arpit · 18th January 2009, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ankitahuja

Since the thread talks about VFM tyres, can someone enlighten me with prices for options in 185/70/13 and 195/60/14 sizes in NCR.

Maxxis, Apollo, Bridgestone, Yokos.

Hey if you want you can have at the Hankook 185/70,13s i got my Cielo fitted with these and have done 6500 kms, with no sign of Tread wear and wet grip is excellent while cornering given the Weight of the Car, got them for 2600 a Piece (Tubeless), you could also consider BFGoodrich.

10th January 2009, 08:01	#1
wildwheels BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cochin Posts: 36 Thanked: 2 Times	Value for money tires Hi, I am deciding on new footwear for my Lancer. And I always take a lot of time with decisions for my car's or bikes so I have a lot of time on my hands to decide. On my Peugeot I was using NCT5's they were a bit noisy but for the price I think they held on pretty good. I did Munnar - Cochin in just under 2 hours. And the tires held without a prob. If anybody is familiar with the route you would agree thats quite reasonable. But on wide corners the cas on one occation spun widthwise. But that particular curve is know to be quite notorious. NCT5's are what comes standard on the Merc and also they are at the lower spectrum of the price range. Profile was 175. On my Fiesta I used Acclere and till date I am very happy with them. They are very quiet. I have hit puddles of water in heavy rains at over 100 and they seemed to have no aquaplaning problems at least at my limits. The tire is very reasonably priced. Profile was 195. I again shod the same tires but 185 profile on an Optra and found no difference in traction and the ride has improved considering the NCT5's that it came with. Now this brings me to my first question. I noticed that the 185 held on as well as my 195 shod Fiesta although both on different cars. I feel apart from giving for car's a look 185 should be fair enough. And food for though is that most rally cars Iv seen are shod either with 175 or 185 and these cars are driven to the limit. So is 195 an overdose if priority is a quicker car with lesser rolling resistance adding to Mileage and cornering in the range of 80-110 Km/h. My Plaio S10 had the works on it ie cold air,FFE, sythetic oil etc.. so I pampered it with Michelin Pilot Preceda's. These tires I must say are great. I really used the tires to the limit at the local autocross. They held on like crazy and gain the profile was 185 against popular 195 as I wanted my car to be quicker and agile. There is no doubts this is a superior tire but comes at a superior price of 4600 in Cochin comapared to the Accelere at about 3000. IS this tire worth the price? Is there all that difference in traction to account for a Rs 1500 difference in a tire? Also the tire does not last as much as an Accelere. My Lancer is currently shod with borrowed 175X13 Michelin XM1's. The tires need replacing. The profile was ok but the car would start a slide on hard cornering but was quite predictable and can be corrected. I need to upgrade to a 195x60x15. I am also toying on the idea of forgetting the looks and going in for 185 to make it a tad bit quicker and less rolling resistance. Comments appreciated. On my shopping I found an immensely tempting price of 2600/- on a set of Goodyear GT3's ie almost 2k less than a Precida's. I average maybe 7-8k a year maybe less and looks decent but I corner at close to 80 most times and maybe even more on long drives. Would these tires hold? Have not found any review on the net. I havent tasted the Potenza's but form what I hear everfything about these tires are good. The GSD3's although good tires are a bit too noisy and also if you have a small mis alignment those tires melt like wax as my friend found out driving down from Salem.
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10th January 2009, 09:29	#2
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	I don't think fitting 195/60 R15 on the Lancer is a good idea as they might foul with the wheel arches. And GT3's are decent tyres but do not expect them to perform anywhere even close to the Pilot Preceda's. For the price, they're decent VFM though but I would suggest you also look at the what Yokohama has to offer in 195/55 R15.
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10th January 2009, 09:36	#3
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,402 Times View My Garage	wildwheels, know anyone who has tried the apollo accelere sportz asymmetric tires? or their pricing ? I wonder if they are good enough to be the VFM upgrade over the acelleres you are looking for Last edited by greenhorn : 10th January 2009 at 09:39.
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10th January 2009, 14:41	#4
WasavaTyres BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indore Posts: 816 Thanked: 450 Times View My Garage	195/60/15 should not foul with the wheel arches on your lancer,as I've seen one car with 205/65/R15 tyres on it. As iraghava rightly said,do check out the 195/55/R15 from yokohoma,you're sure to be impressed. And albiet priced a tad higher will be miles ahead of GT3's on the performance front. Last edited by WasavaTyres : 10th January 2009 at 14:50. Reason: spellcheck
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11th January 2009, 16:02	#5
wildwheels BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cochin Posts: 36 Thanked: 2 Times	okay I did the math before I decided on 195X60R15. The OE tires are 175x80R13 ie the profile of the tire is about 140mm. When I upgrade to 15 inch the icrease in radius is 1 inch ie 25.4mm. So after upsizing my sidewall should be 140-25.4 ie 114.6. So the profile on 15 inch with 195 tires would be (114.6x100)/195 which is 58.7. No if I were to go for 55 then my sidewall thickness would be (195x55)/100 ie 107.25. The percentage difference is ((114.6-107.25) /114.6)x100 which is 6.4%. Wheras with 195x60R15 the percentage deviation is ((117-114.6)/114.6X100 ie 2.0%. Therefore with a 60 profile tire my deviation from recommended is 2.0% which is accectable wheras with 55 it is 6.4%. Also I plan to mod my suspension in future with lower springs so wouldnt want to reduce more that I want by way of tire profile too. Besides with our roads in Kerala where a clean road surprises you with a pothole I wouldnt bet on a 55 profile tire. But thank you for all the input didnt actually look at Yokohoma as peopel said the S drive was not comfortable what is the specific yOKO you are talking about?
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16th January 2009, 17:29	#6
ankitahuja BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 921 Thanked: 94 Times View My Garage	Since the thread talks about VFM tyres, can someone enlighten me with prices for options in 185/70/13 and 195/60/14 sizes in NCR. Maxxis, Apollo, Bridgestone, Yokos. Last edited by aah78 : 16th January 2009 at 21:10. Reason: Size corrected on request - 65->60.
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17th January 2009, 02:22	#8
ankitahuja BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 921 Thanked: 94 Times View My Garage	* Thanks aah78 Thanks for the reply leadf00t. I have Michelin XM1's in 185/70/13 and love the ride quality over BS, but somehow these have lasted me only 25k kms (can force 5k more at max). I have to replace soon and do not want to spend the same amount of money (I got them for 3.2k a piece). Looking at other alternatives.
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17th January 2009, 06:53	#9
Airtejas Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4 Thanked: 0 Times	I have been reading this thread and others on tyre replacement.How does Apollo Acclere rate over Michelin XM1+.My Esteem Lxi (2006) needs new set of tyres(they have stock Goodyear) and I drive 90kms everyday(2500kms/month on avg) 75% on highways & 25% on city.All the dealers are recommending Apollo Acclere for my driving (175/70R13).But my bet is Xm1+.Comments & Suggestions.
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17th January 2009, 23:41	#10
Jaguar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,208 Thanked: 2,547 Times	Do Xm1+ come under VFM category? From what I have seen, they are just a couple of 100 bucks cheaper than PP2s at around Rs.4400 a piece.
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18th January 2009, 00:01	#11
vancity BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Jalandhar Posts: 26 Thanked: 0 Times	Serch for VFM Tires based on comfort ,usage , ratings,price etc. Guys why not get the best value for our money and share info about tires to find the best VFM tires based on Max Comfort, usage,rating and pricing on various tire brands..thanks Last edited by aah78 : 18th January 2009 at 02:10. Reason: Merged with existing.
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