Ohc 2nd Round Of Tyre Change-new Priorities

narayan · 1st February 2010, 19:40

My 2001 movel OHC 1.5 is getting ready for its 3rd set of tyres and boy of boy so quickly!!

the odo reads 82000

The stock Bridgestones lasted well and had some 5000kms worth of tread when i disposed them at 55000kms in the year 2006

those were the days when i new nothing about this forum and was simply fascinated by the tread pattern of a particular brand of tyre and decided to go for it !!

one look i had on the wet weather tread pattern of the AVS SPORT ( yokohama ) and decided i needed to have these tyres next on my car

2006 - june - upgraded to 15" wheels and went for 195/55/15 AVS SPORT

I did not even know then that

1) this is not really the correct upsize ( stock was 175/70/13 )
2) these tyres were getting/already phased out and what i was getting was probably an old batch

anyway all this was the past and i thoroughly enjoyed the attention i was getting from these tyres and wheels all the while gritting my teeth and holding on to loose parts in the car - thanks to the bone jarring ride!

at around 76-77k , i noticed the front tyres had suddenly lost their tread at a much faster pace than it took them to wear out from 55-75k !

i kept thinking whether it was improper rotation on my part but i was absoultely sure i was doing the rotation at regular intervals.

my fear was confirmed, when i have now noticed that the better tyres that went to the front at around 76-77k have now started having accelerated wearing after the tread reaches a threshold wear level

at 82k now, my rear 2 tyres are COMPLETELY BALD spare a few light strokes at the very corner marking what is left of those glorious wet weather pattern !

the front should reach this state in another MAX 3K

THIS GIVES AN OVERALL LIFE OF JUST 30000KMS FOR THESE YOKOS. I AM QUITE DISAPPOINTED WITH THAT. not sure this is what can be expected from these expensive phoren tyres.

my priorities now are

1) good ride quality
2) decent price
3) good life
4) acceptable levels of grip

in that order

what are my options ( please note - these tyres need to go onto the 15 inchers )

Nikhilb2008 · 2nd February 2010, 00:00

30,000 kms from AVS Sport is what I consider as normal based on what I hear.

If you are going to stick to 15", then you have very limited options.

Maxxis MA-Z1 -- Good VFM. Good performance given the price, but they also have the V tread which means a relatively shorter life.

Yokohama S-Drive --- Good VFM. Good grip, reasonable comfort and should last around 35k kms.

Yokohama A drive -- An entry level budget tyre. Reasonably comfort but not great performance. Will last 40k easily.

You need to remember that good ride quality is nearly impossible with 195/55 R15 tyres.

nitrous · 2nd February 2010, 05:26

Mr. Scam!
Both the Maxxis and the S-drive are performance oriented tyres, so it would be wrong on anyone's part to be expecting good ride quality out of it.

A-drive is the only other option and although entry-level(VFM pricing), the 195mm width (on 4 corners remember) will take care of your priority#4.

PS: If you're interested in moving down to 14" or 13", I think I know someone who'd be willing to pick your set of wheels. This way you can have all the ride quality you want.

narayan · 2nd February 2010, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

PS: If you're interested in moving down to 14" or 13", I think I know someone who'd be willing to pick your set of wheels. This way you can have all the ride quality you want.

umm - another scam in the making !!

anyway i will pass this offer

so that leaves me with A DRIVES - sounds good - how much would they cost ?

but arent there any options from our desi brands like MRF, APOLLO etc ? why arent u guys never suggesting these brands ?

Nikhilb2008 · 2nd February 2010, 14:47

Well, I missed Apollo. They have a 195/55 R15 Apollo Acelere. It's pretty good. Will satisfy your requirements quite nicely. Will be around 3.5k per tyre. BS GIII is also available but I wont recommend that.

narayan · 2nd February 2010, 16:31

thanks Nikhil

the thing is 195/55/15 is off the standard diameter by 3.5% or around 2cm. i dont think this makes a major difference to dynamics and hence this is an acceptable upsize

195/50/15 would be the ideal upsize from the diameter pov but the profile is going to kill the ride ( when even 195/55 can be bad - imagine 195/50 ! )

alternative then is 205/50/15. will i get a tyre to suit my requirements in this size ? i guess there would be a trade off on FE. but how much can that be ?

also whats the price of the A drives

Nikhilb2008 · 2nd February 2010, 18:02

195/55 R15 is better than 205/50 R15. A drives would be around 4.1k per tyre.

nitrous · 2nd February 2010, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scam

alternative then is 205/50/15. will i get a tyre to suit my requirements in this size ?

Hell NO!
I got a friend to move from 205/50/R15 to 195/55/R15 and its been a vast improvement in ride.

the VTEC guy · 18th February 2010, 12:59

@Narayan - I would like to post a similar tyre upgrade query in your thread.

Guys, My bridgestones 175/65R14 on the VTEC are up for replacement now. they have lasted around 35k kms and 5 years.

Did a initial analysis and have inquired about following tyres with a dealer in Pune.
Option 1. Michelin XM1+
Standard size - 175/65R14 (Rs 3700 for single tyre)
1 upsize - 185/60R14 (Rs 4400 for single tyre)

Option 2. Yokohama
Standard size - 175/65R14 (Rs 3300 for single tyre) type AA01
1 upsize - 185/60R14 (Rs 3750 for single tyre) type AC01

So I am actually getting the 1 upsize tyre in Yoko at same price as that of standard size Michelin XM1+. On a set of 5 tyres I would save around 8000 Rs. with Yoko
What do you guys recommend? tyres should be comfortable and good in handling. Which will last longer? Any other options?

Nikhilb2008 · 18th February 2010, 13:41

Yoko any day.

The Yoko C drives are very good. 185/60 R14 will reduce your ride quality to some extent compared to 175/65 R14.

narayan · 23rd March 2010, 17:29

Nikhil
can you suggest some dealers for Apollo accelere and Yoko A drive.

VTEC_Rocks · 23rd March 2010, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

BS GIII is also available but I wont recommend that.

Any specific reason you wouldn't recomment BS GIII Potenza?

I've been running on these for years and I've had no issues with the tires on my Swift or on my OHC VTEC. BS ware out gracefully and the grip levels are consistent. The ride is smooth and silent.

Am I missing anything?

narayan · 16th April 2010, 13:38

checked out apollo accelere's website. There is a new size - 185/55/15

overall diameter perspective its closer to stock than the 195/55/15 that i am running on

only diff is a 0.5cm lesser sidewall thickness

can you guys confirm whether this is a decent change keeping in mind my priorities listed above ?

thanks

Nikhilb2008 · 16th April 2010, 14:33

No. Simply no. Ride quality would be really bad. GC would be bad. Risk of sidewall damage would be huge.

Stick to 195/55 R15.

narayan · 5th May 2010, 18:07

Finally got a nice set of 4 FALKEN ZE912s with almost new tyre like tread levels. these were from the used tyre market. tyres were 2008 manufactured.

got them for Rs7200. decent deal i suppose. took care of all my priorities. especially the budget part !

1st February 2010, 19:40	#1
narayan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,114 Thanked: 2,372 Times View My Garage	Ohc 2nd Round Of Tyre Change-new Priorities My 2001 movel OHC 1.5 is getting ready for its 3rd set of tyres and boy of boy so quickly!! the odo reads 82000 The stock Bridgestones lasted well and had some 5000kms worth of tread when i disposed them at 55000kms in the year 2006 those were the days when i new nothing about this forum and was simply fascinated by the tread pattern of a particular brand of tyre and decided to go for it !! one look i had on the wet weather tread pattern of the AVS SPORT ( yokohama ) and decided i needed to have these tyres next on my car 2006 - june - upgraded to 15" wheels and went for 195/55/15 AVS SPORT I did not even know then that 1) this is not really the correct upsize ( stock was 175/70/13 ) 2) these tyres were getting/already phased out and what i was getting was probably an old batch anyway all this was the past and i thoroughly enjoyed the attention i was getting from these tyres and wheels all the while gritting my teeth and holding on to loose parts in the car - thanks to the bone jarring ride! at around 76-77k , i noticed the front tyres had suddenly lost their tread at a much faster pace than it took them to wear out from 55-75k ! i kept thinking whether it was improper rotation on my part but i was absoultely sure i was doing the rotation at regular intervals. my fear was confirmed, when i have now noticed that the better tyres that went to the front at around 76-77k have now started having accelerated wearing after the tread reaches a threshold wear level at 82k now, my rear 2 tyres are COMPLETELY BALD spare a few light strokes at the very corner marking what is left of those glorious wet weather pattern ! the front should reach this state in another MAX 3K THIS GIVES AN OVERALL LIFE OF JUST 30000KMS FOR THESE YOKOS. I AM QUITE DISAPPOINTED WITH THAT. not sure this is what can be expected from these expensive phoren tyres. my priorities now are 1) good ride quality 2) decent price 3) good life 4) acceptable levels of grip in that order what are my options ( please note - these tyres need to go onto the 15 inchers )
	() Thanks

2nd February 2010, 00:00	#2
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,138 Times	30,000 kms from AVS Sport is what I consider as normal based on what I hear. If you are going to stick to 15", then you have very limited options. Maxxis MA-Z1 -- Good VFM. Good performance given the price, but they also have the V tread which means a relatively shorter life. Yokohama S-Drive --- Good VFM. Good grip, reasonable comfort and should last around 35k kms. Yokohama A drive -- An entry level budget tyre. Reasonably comfort but not great performance. Will last 40k easily. You need to remember that good ride quality is nearly impossible with 195/55 R15 tyres.
	() Thanks

2nd February 2010, 05:26	#3
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Mr. Scam! Both the Maxxis and the S-drive are performance oriented tyres, so it would be wrong on anyone's part to be expecting good ride quality out of it. A-drive is the only other option and although entry-level(VFM pricing), the 195mm width (on 4 corners remember) will take care of your priority#4. PS: If you're interested in moving down to 14" or 13", I think I know someone who'd be willing to pick your set of wheels. This way you can have all the ride quality you want.
	() Thanks

2nd February 2010, 14:47	#5
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,138 Times	Well, I missed Apollo. They have a 195/55 R15 Apollo Acelere. It's pretty good. Will satisfy your requirements quite nicely. Will be around 3.5k per tyre. BS GIII is also available but I wont recommend that.
	() Thanks

2nd February 2010, 16:31	#6
narayan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,114 Thanked: 2,372 Times View My Garage	thanks Nikhil the thing is 195/55/15 is off the standard diameter by 3.5% or around 2cm. i dont think this makes a major difference to dynamics and hence this is an acceptable upsize 195/50/15 would be the ideal upsize from the diameter pov but the profile is going to kill the ride ( when even 195/55 can be bad - imagine 195/50 ! ) alternative then is 205/50/15. will i get a tyre to suit my requirements in this size ? i guess there would be a trade off on FE. but how much can that be ? also whats the price of the A drives
	() Thanks

2nd February 2010, 18:02	#7
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,138 Times	195/55 R15 is better than 205/50 R15. A drives would be around 4.1k per tyre.
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18th February 2010, 12:59	#9
the VTEC guy BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 564 Thanked: 140 Times View My Garage	@Narayan - I would like to post a similar tyre upgrade query in your thread. Guys, My bridgestones 175/65R14 on the VTEC are up for replacement now. they have lasted around 35k kms and 5 years. Did a initial analysis and have inquired about following tyres with a dealer in Pune. Option 1. Michelin XM1+ Standard size - 175/65R14 (Rs 3700 for single tyre) 1 upsize - 185/60R14 (Rs 4400 for single tyre) Option 2. Yokohama Standard size - 175/65R14 (Rs 3300 for single tyre) type AA01 1 upsize - 185/60R14 (Rs 3750 for single tyre) type AC01 So I am actually getting the 1 upsize tyre in Yoko at same price as that of standard size Michelin XM1+. On a set of 5 tyres I would save around 8000 Rs. with Yoko What do you guys recommend? tyres should be comfortable and good in handling. Which will last longer? Any other options? Last edited by the VTEC guy : 18th February 2010 at 13:01.
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18th February 2010, 13:41	#10
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,138 Times	Yoko any day. The Yoko C drives are very good. 185/60 R14 will reduce your ride quality to some extent compared to 175/65 R14.
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23rd March 2010, 17:29	#11
narayan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,114 Thanked: 2,372 Times View My Garage	Nikhil can you suggest some dealers for Apollo accelere and Yoko A drive.
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16th April 2010, 13:38	#13
narayan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,114 Thanked: 2,372 Times View My Garage	checked out apollo accelere's website. There is a new size - 185/55/15 overall diameter perspective its closer to stock than the 195/55/15 that i am running on only diff is a 0.5cm lesser sidewall thickness can you guys confirm whether this is a decent change keeping in mind my priorities listed above ? thanks
	() Thanks

16th April 2010, 14:33	#14
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,138 Times	No. Simply no. Ride quality would be really bad. GC would be bad. Risk of sidewall damage would be huge. Stick to 195/55 R15.
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5th May 2010, 18:07	#15
narayan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,114 Thanked: 2,372 Times View My Garage	Finally got a nice set of 4 FALKEN ZE912s with almost new tyre like tread levels. these were from the used tyre market. tyres were 2008 manufactured. got them for Rs7200. decent deal i suppose. took care of all my priorities. especially the budget part !
	() Thanks