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Old 30th March 2015, 08:19   #1
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Not sure if this is the appropriate way to post about this happening, but I enjoy planes just as much as automobiles.

Pretty remarkable that someone from India picked this baby up so quickly. I tried thinking of some notable billionaires whose names resemble the initials seen after VT (VT being the mark of an India based/registered plane), however I couldn't think of any.

Whoever owns this baby not only possess gargantuan levels of material wealth, but also settles for nothing but the best. If i am not mistaken these things go for 400 crores. If you're spending money like that you might as well throw in a Veyron or two right (it always gets me how some people in India could buy these things but nobody ever goes for a India based Bug) !


Here she is:
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For those who want to know more about the bird:

http://www.businessinsider.com/tour-...m-g650-2014-10

An Indian based G650 is so so so much more impressive than owning any supercar in India (in my humble opinion)! Imagine the noise on this site if one were to acquire a Pagani or Bug. I'm surprised there hasn't been any noise about this yet although it is the aircraft equivalent.

Mods, If we could have speculations of who owns it, or which titan goes by the initials NKR, that'd would be fun.


EDIT: A few more shots:
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Very nice plane. See http://www.gulfstream.com/aircraft/gulfstream-g650 for some more details.

I flew as a passenger on one of the earlier models.
A lot of how luxurious it is depends on how they kit out the cabin of course, but essentially here also "the sky is the limit" applies. Factory fitted cabin is not bad either.

These modern business jets have a similar range close to your typical long haul wide body. This one has a range of 7000NM and also a slightly higher cruising speed than most wide bodies.

So you get there a bit quicker. (usually they also fly a little higher then commercial jets).

One of the other big advantages is that you can plan your flight to suit your timetable (with ATC and planning constraints), and certainly in Europe and the USA, boarding and depaling is a much quicker process. Dedicated custom/immigrations handling etc.

From a pilots point of view this a pilots wet dream.

http://www.gulfstream.com/technology...ry-flight-deck

I have flown a few hours on one of their simulators on the earlier model. Very impressive. Very much state of the art technology.

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...... one of their simulators on the earlier model. Very impressive. Very much state of the art technology.

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You mean the technology is advanced than Boeing and Airbus ? I always thought Boeing and Airbus have the financial muscles for development and deployment of all the technical advances. Can you please enlighten us more - in which technical areas of aviation Gulfstream is ahead of these giants ? Is it something like this ?- Gulfstream is like a Rolls-Royce and 747 / A380 is like a Mercedes or Neoplan bus.
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Very nice plane. See http://www.gulfstream.com/aircraft/gulfstream-g650 for some more details.

I flew as a passenger on one of the earlier models.


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Was this on the G450 or G5 series ? Can you please share with mortals like me what the real luxury is besides space and being able to walk around ? I know there are several offerings for executive jets from Dassault and Bombardier, but they are way cheaper and Gulfstreams pricing just makes it seem like the Rolls Royce of the sky.

Why are these Gulfstreams that much more expensive ? Are they quieter ? I just don't know why someone would choose a Gulfstream when planes of similar size made by competitors seem relatively cheaper.

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Zauba has no information on a G650 import. Guessing it's yet to arrive? The only name that comes to mind is Mukesh Ambani. From his Maybach to the Antilia, he's known for his extravagance.

On a related note, going by the number of parts imported for the Gulfstream G550, there are clearly more than one examples in India?

Source - Zauba.com

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This aircraft belongs to Kalyan Jewelers and the registration is named after the founder, N Kalyana Raman.
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Zauba has no information on a G650 import.
Source of info for Zauba is cargo manifest. Maybe aircrafts that can do such long haul flights will not be recorded as cargo.
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This aircraft belongs to Kalyan Jewelers and the registration is named after the founder, N Kalyana Raman.
His name is T S Kalyanaraman and the Embraer Phenom 100 which belongs to the group currently bears the registration VT-TSK.

What is the source of this information?
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You mean the technology is advanced than Boeing and Airbus ? I always thought Boeing and Airbus have the financial muscles for development and deployment of all the technical advances. Can you please enlighten us more - in which technical areas of aviation Gulfstream is ahead of these giants ? Is it something like this ?- Gulfstream is like a Rolls-Royce and 747 / A380 is like a Mercedes or Neoplan bus.

I'm afraid its not that simple, apart from the fact that I am no expert in aviation. Just an enthusiast, who happens to have his pilot's licence, I have also a couple of dozen hours of Lufthansa and CargoLux full motion 747-400 Simulator.

I don't think you can make a generic statement on who is the most advanced to start with. Every new model that comes out tends to be more advanced then the previous. So the A380 is way more advanced in just about everything then the earlier Airbusses. Same when comparing the Boeing 787 and the 777 or the 747.

There are also some fundamental differences between Airbus and Boeing, more to do with design philosophy. The Airbus FlyByWire system is fundamentally different to Boeings FBS, in terms of how you fly the plane, how it respond to pilot inputs. Discussions about what is better have been ongoing on aviation forums for as long as Airbus and Boeing have been competing. Personally I don't think there is much difference and it most likely comes down to personal preferrence. Never flown an Airbus, not even on a simulator, but I would probably prefer Boeing system, because I'm already familiar with them and they come closest to flying a non-FBW plane and that is most of flying experience.

There is one big difference betweent the Gulfstream and Airbus/Boeing in general. These sort of businessjets are considered GA (General Aviation) aircraft. In general they come under a somewhat different scheme of regulations than your typical commercial jet.

Let me give a very practical example. The (legal) use of GPS as a primary way of navigation was allowed in GA way before it was allowed and got adopted in the commercial aviation world.

It has to do, partly, with the very complex and intricate way of how these planes get certified. Even small changes can take unbelievable amounts of time and dollars. In GA its all a little easier and quicker.

By the way, even today, although most (commercial) pilots might not even know, commercial jets still don't rely on GPS per se. In most cases what shows up as a GPS position on the flight instruments is a combination of different instruments and sensor which, under normal circumstances have a very high bias towards the GPS reading.

Depending on how the Gulfstream is operated it doesn't even require a commercial licensed pilot. There is (legal) difference between carrying passengers and carrying passengers for commercial purpsoses.

On my pilots licence I can take passengers along, but I can't take passengers with me on a commercial bases.

The total size of the business GA jet market is considerable. So companies like Gulfstream, but also their suppliers can and do make very considerable investments to come up with the latest and the greatest. It's also a very competitive market, so that drive a lot of innovation.

Most of the cockpit systems on all planes get developed by specialist companies. Their kit usually gets adapted for a particular plane of course.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the sky is full of different generation planes. My beloved 747-400 has been around for decades. But the planes I pilot myself such as a Cirrus or Diamond have full glass cockpit and the 747-400 doesn't even come close to that!

Go figure what is best?!

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His name is T S Kalyanaraman and the Embraer Phenom 100 which belongs to the group currently bears the registration VT-TSK.

What is the source of this information?
I was informed by a friend of the same. I will try and get more info on this.

I was informed that this was in addition to the Phenom.
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Was this on the G450 or G5 series ? Can you please share with mortals like me what the real luxury is besides space and being able to walk around ? I know there are several offerings for executive jets from Dassault and Bombardier, but they are way cheaper and Gulfstreams pricing just makes it seem like the Rolls Royce of the sky.

Why are these Gulfstreams that much more expensive ? Are they quieter ? I just don't know why someone would choose a Gulfstream when planes of similar size made by competitors seem relatively cheaper.

G450. Im not really familiar with all the different business jets, their performance and subsequent pricing, but here are a few thoughts. As a rule the business jets are not that big. So the idea that you can walk around at your leisure is somewhat limited. Most business classes in a wide body commercial jet are likely to be bigger. It depends of course for how many people the jet is set up. But I can tell you from my own experience, when 8-9 big European business people pile into your average business jet and everybody needs to stretch out to sleep, it all of sudden feels very crowded.

Of course, depending on the owners preference, you can get all sorts of luxuries installed. One of the big differentiator, other then size is performance. In particular range. As pointed out the range of this jet is 7000 nautical miles and that sets it apart from most others. It probably makes it a whole lot more expensive as well. But it also shows it is aimed at the serious globe trotter who frequently goes on long haul and trans ocean flights.

Far from an expert on this, but based on my own experience I would say there are at least two distinct types of business jets users. Corporation who need to shuffle their senior management around the globe effectively and the super rich who fly around the world to do business and or pleasure.

Very different audiences. There are also many local rules and regulations that would govern who can or can not fly with the corporate jet. For instance in Europe if a CEO is supposed to attend a function together with his partner, the partner might still have to travel commercial. There are insurance and tax restrictions for instance that need to be taken into consideration.

In the USA it was totally different and my wife flew with my customers' corporate jet to a function we had to attend. They would fill the seats no matter what.

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Aah here it is. I have tracked this aircraft on Flight Radar many a times moving around the country, specifically between Gujarat and surrounding states. Was curious to know who was the person owning it. Even I had the Ambani brothers in mind but this seems to be someone else. End of the day, I dont think there a better thing one can flaunt than this one. Rich owner!
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This aircraft belongs to Kalyan Jewelers and the registration is named after the founder, N Kalyana Raman.


I have difficulty believing the veracity of this. There is no N in the Kalyan Jewelers family name (which actually seems to starts with a T).

And their business footprint is mostly across South India, as our fellow airplane spotter in the post above has said, this plane seems to have been spotted flying around Gujarat, which seems to be land of irrelevance in the context of the Kalyan family's businesses.

If i can take a jab in the dark, I'd say this plane belongs to Dilip Shangvi or someone from the Ruia family (who recently sold off a G5). There's also a chance someone wants to travel in this discreetly and NKR is a total distraction and it may not mean anything at all !

Here's an excerpt from the businessweek article in the first post:


"The G650 has become a hot topic among wealthy jetsetters, but Cass argued that the plane is actually "not a status symbol" for celebrities, noting that the vast majority of its 200 plus orders are from corporations, not wealthy individuals.

"Matter of fact, most of the time people don’t want it to be known that they’re flying around in it," he said. "When you look at most of these airplanes, they’re very nondescript. You don’t see a lot of big company logos or anything on them, because they want to maintain their privacy. It’s also for security reasons as well.”



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Was curious to know who was the person owning it.
There is a possibility that it's not even owned by a person. It can be owned by a leasing company. It's very difficult to believe that there's a market in India for a bird like this though, from a leasing company perspective. So I do believe it is owned ultimately owned by some individual/or his company for flying the management around the world or for "fancy" trips as Jeroen has said.

But of course I'm human and I can be totally wrong.

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I wonder how much it actually costs post purchasing one. There are multiple reports available online on parking fees, fuel costs etc. but most of them are for US markets.

Does anyone know the cost of the following in India for a regular private jet?
  • Parking fees
  • Landing fees (if separate from Parking fees)
  • Crew costs
  • Maintenance costs
  • Fuel costs

Finally and most importantly, do they accept credit cards for the above options
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I have difficulty believing the veracity of this. There is no N in the Kalyan Jewelers family name (which actually seems to starts with a T).

And their business footprint is mostly across South India, as our fellow airplane spotter in the post above has said, this plane seems to have been spotted flying around Gujarat, which seems to be land of irrelevance in the context of the Kalyan family's businesses.
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I agree with you mate. Its not once that I have seen this plane in Gujrat. I have seen it quite a few times and only once I observed it came to Bangalore, that too during Aero India. Regarding individual or corporation, yes it can be a big business group. But speaking of a leasing company, I would doubt someone in India at least would buy that to rent it out given how much of a prized possession this aircraft is. Will keep an eye on this aircraft from now
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