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Old 1st May 2005, 09:24   #16
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Getting back to the original thread opener, pushing a 1.3 Accent is only an idea. It can work as a stopgap till the new Accent arrives. It probably doesn't tickle the enthusiast in us, but for those looking for a slightly plush option in the entry-level C-segment category or those in the rental fleet companies looking for something similar other than the usual Indigo/Ikon 1.3/Esteem, it could bring some volumes to Hyundai.
Why should a slightly smaller engine be substantially cheaper? We're talking about a difference of 200 cc here - the difference for Ford was that the base 1.3 was a very old engine, substantially cheaper than the 1.6 Zetec. The engines themselves were different.

Are the 1.3 and 1.5 engines of Hyundai of different vintage? I doubt it. Therefore, the only reason why it should be cheaper is when components are shared between more than one model - in this respect, it does make sense since the 1.3 is derived from the 1.1 of the Santro.

And like Revv said, it could help in bringing down the price of the Getz if the engine volumes are shared with another model. Interesting, but I hope they dont do it. That would be equivalent to a policy change...something you dont want to see from a proactive manufacturer.

Instead, perhaps they should just plonk the 1.5 litre engine into the Getz. Move up in life, not down...that way they wont have to make a different engine for about 1,500 vehicles per month and shared with the Accent that would easily be about 4,000 vehicles per month which is good enough.

Bring down prices and give a bigger engine (for the Getz) - now THAT would be really novel. Would also help them with countering the Swift, to a certain extent. Between the two, I think the Getz is a better car but it definitely lacks the 'cool factor' of the Swift.
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I think the only way the new 'ugly' accent can sell if it's price can compete with the likes of the Getz and Swift full loaded models. For reducing the prices i think it would be good to introduce the 1.3 engine. To maintain their status and to compete with the honda city, they need to give alot more under the hood to compensate for the ugly looks. Probably a 110 bhp engine will well sell in that segment.
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there is no point of the 1.3. where will the whole getz market go. they dont come out with 1.1 and 1.3 crdi for a reason. plus the new accent looks so bad it will be fun to see. which one is more uglier accent, indigo or the city. dont think the 1.3 will ever see the indian shores
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Are the 1.3 and 1.5 engines of Hyundai of different vintage? I doubt it. Therefore, the only reason why it should be cheaper is when components are shared between more than one model - in this respect, it does make sense since the 1.3 is derived from the 1.1 of the Santro.
I am not too sure if its the 1.1. I guess its a 1.5 derived engine. Either ways, as you clearly mentioned, vintage and component sharing should bring cost of manufacturing down. And honestly, if the Getz sells 1500 on an average, a further increase by even a 1000 units for the Accent in the 1.3 avtaar should really set the ball rolling. And maybe get the cost of manufacturing the 1.3 further down. Irrespective of which engine it derives itself from (1.1 or 1.5).

Maybe Hyundai should have done such a thing sometime earlier. And in the process held on to their sales.

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Hey adya.. it wont kill the Accent as it will be coming at 8 lacs and the Accent Tornado ends before that price..
Revv well the 1.6 Accent takes some 13 secs to 100 so expect the 1.3 to be slower then that as the Accent engines are Alpha ones and are damn slow no techno in them and also power on paper. Poor power to weight and that leeds to sad performance.
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Hyundai did introduce a cut down model of their existing 1.5 l engine which was priced at around 5.05lac (ex-showroom, Delhi). Though the engine had no changes, it was a totally base model with standart features. I think they did sell couple of them and was high in demand, however rolled back as it was right at the edge of Getz territory which would affect its sales. If they relaunch it and reduce the prices of Getz, they would draw some healthy competition with swift/Getz and Flair/Esteem with Accent.

IMO, a new 1.3l accent would not be a step up to the existing line of its range.

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Hyundai did introduce a cut down model of their existing 1.5 l engine which was priced at around 5.05lac (ex-showroom, Delhi). Though the engine had no changes, it was a totally base model with standart features. I think they did sell couple of them and was high in demand, however rolled back as it was right at the edge of Getz territory which would affect its sales. If they relaunch it and reduce the prices of Getz, they would draw some healthy competition with swift/Getz and Flair/Esteem with Accent.
I guess you are referring to the GLE (post GVS) trim. Is it discontinued now? I thought it was still available.
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Revv well the 1.6 Accent takes some 13 secs to 100 so expect the 1.3 to be slower then that as the Accent engines are Alpha ones and are damn slow no techno in them and also power on paper. Poor power to weight and that leeds to sad performance.
Its also about how engines are tuned. I won't doubt Top Gear timings, since they use VBox-II to judge TSD readings which is quite accurate. Also i have taken into account all other factors before factoring in a time of a high 13 seconder, low 14 seconds for the Accent 1.3.

BTW, the 1.6 takes around 10.3 seconds in European spec. A mid 11s in Indian conditions is quite possible.

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Hey adya.. it wont kill the Accent as it will be coming at 8 lacs and the Accent Tornado ends before that price..
yes there will be a price difference however the accent platform is quite old now also it will be soon be replaced
elantra is a fairy new platform
also if hyundai ppl are going to put elantra 1.3 price more than accent top end model then no one would buy it as everyone would go with high powered accent.
the only way to put elantra in 1.3 will be by marketing accent high end as sports edition while marketing elantra as economical luxury vechical
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I don't think people like weedy three box cars. The Ikon EXi failed miserably, ditto escort petrol, maruti 1000 (once the esteem came out).
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gvs trim has been started back again.
that's the one with the regualar 1.5 engine
the rest all ie gle and above have the 1.6 tornado engine as standard.
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BTW, the 1.6 takes around 10.3 seconds in European spec. A mid 11s in Indian conditions is quite possible.

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I think thats impossible. The Tornado is really slow. If it did do 100 in mid 11s then it would have been the Josh machine rather then the Ford Ikon

Remember its India and all cars are detuned sadly.

Autocar specs shows 100 by the tornado in some 13s..
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I think thats impossible. The Tornado is really slow. If it did do 100 in mid 11s then it would have been the Josh machine rather then the Ford Ikon

Remember its India and all cars are detuned sadly.

Autocar specs shows 100 by the tornado in some 13s..
Read again Montoya. Its European spec figures i have quoted. Not Indian spec. Yes Indian cars are detuned, that isn't news btw.

Better source the figures and timings like i have done from Top Gear, UK (March 03). Arbitary quoting of timings (13 seconds odd... odd what?) won't do.

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gvs trim has been started back again.
that's the one with the regualar 1.5 engine
the rest all ie gle and above have the 1.6 tornado engine as standard.
gle was below the gvs. at this point only the glx and the gta have a 1.6 engine. rest all are 1.5 if there are any under gvs
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gle was below the gvs. at this point only the glx and the gta have a 1.6 engine. rest all are 1.5 if there are any under gvs
I agree with you Jesal. I suppose you meant GTX and not GTA..lol.

Infact when launched in 1999, the Hyundai Accent came in three trims only: GLE 1, GLE 2 and GLS.

GVS used to come in both 1.5 and 1.6 options. Not sure if it still does.

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