[bhoise]

I know you are far from Bombay, but you may be a good guy to keep in touch with for buying a 340 Classic??! Would that be a correct assumption?

[GTO]

Originally Posted by abhik

Is the headrest adjustable too?

Height-adjustable, yes. But the mounts rust and get jammed with time.

1.Peugeot XDP4.90 (2lt)-This i pressume is the petrol version.
2. XD3P (2.5l)-Is this the Diesel version?

Either engine is diesel. The XDP is the older gen....great torque & durability (search for detailed comments in our forum). The XD3P is based on the 2.1 XDP and churns out a little more power / torque. The two engines are extremely similar in their behaviour.

Originally Posted by U.B.Singh

2. The Classic came with in direct steering box, connected by a universal cross joint with the steering rod/pipe, resulting in loss of central horn button.

Nice to know. Is the Classic's steering very different from the 340? Also, mine (and a lot of other Classics) do have the central horn button.

[abhik]

Thanks GTO for the answers. Appreciate it. Was wondering if the following questions can be answered too.
I'll try and dig out threads on the engines.

Originally Posted by abhik

*What does XDP mean, as in a full form or is it just a standard engine code? What does the 4.90 and 3 reffer to?
*Were there any other engines on offer?
*Do any of these block bear similarity to the Bolero and Scorpio(2.6 non crde not 2.2 or 2.6CRDe) blocks?
*Were all these engines reliable? Did all of them have niggling issues?


I appologise if my queries seem stupid or no-brainers, but i am fairly new to Jeeps due to a new found love for the vehicle but please do help me with these queries.

[Samurai]

What was the time period when Classic was manufactured?

I used to be under the impression that CL340 Classic was made between 1997-2000. However, trammway's 1996 Classic is causing some confusion.

[GTO]

Nope, as posted in the other thread, I have personally seen / driven a '96 registered Classic.

[fazalaliadil]

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear all - let me clear all queries. The original vehicle was known as the CJ3B about which I am not writing here. It became CJ340DP when the Peugeot XDP4.90 engine and the 4 speed KMT90 transmission were dropped in it. In 1995, the CJ became the CL as the nomenclature CJ was owned by Chrysler and therefore M&M changed over from CJ to CL. The CJ/CL340 was made from 1993 upto 1997 when the CL340 classic was introduced. The basic difference between the CL340 and the CL340 classic is as follows:

Axle ratio - CL340 has 5.38:1 axle ratio whereas CL340 classic has 4.88:1 axle ratio. Transfer case actuating levers - the CL340 had the double lever actuating transfer case whereas the CL340 classic had the single lever actuating transfer case. Clutch actuation and brakes - the CL340 had floor mounted brake and clutch pedals whereas the CL340 classic had the suspended brake and clutch pedals. This is because the CL340 had all drum brakes whereas the CL340 classic had front disc brakes which require booster assistance for which the booseter has to be mounted on the dash panel for which the pedal has to be suspended to reach the booster. Obviously therefore, clutch becomes cable operated in the classic instead of link operated in the CL340. In the CL340, the handbrake is actuated on a drum fitted to the back of the transfer case, in the CL340 classic, it is actuated in the rear wheels. Instrument panel - the CL340 has a small centre console whereas the CL340 classic has the FRP instrument panel with around 12 telltale lights. Wheels and tyres - the CL340 was supplied with F78/15 tyres on steel wheels whereas the CL340 classic was supplied with P215/75R15 tyres on wire wheels supplied by wheels India and then on 5 spoke aluminium finish alloy wheels. Wheel arches - both vehicles had FRP wheelarches, the CL340 had bigger ones, the CL340 classic had smaller ones painted in body colour. Engine changes - the alternator did not have vacuum pump drive in the CL340 whereas it had a vacuum pump drive in the CL340 classic (for booster brakes). Seats - the CL340 had 118NE derived fixed backrest angle seats whereas the CL340 classic had high backrest variable backrest angle seats. Bull bar - the CL340 had the FJ (old FC) derived front bumper whereas the CL340 classic had the stainless steel bull bar. Radiator mosquito screen - the CL340 had it, the CL340 classic did not have it. Bonnet catches - the CL340 had 4 bonnet catches, the CL340 classic had only 2 in the front. Tobo hook - the CL340 did not have a tobo hook, the CL340 classic had a tobo hook (50 mm diameter sphere for pulling a trailer, mounted on the "K" member.

Why was the classic born? - the CL340 classic is a domestic version of the CL340RHD classic sold by M&M in England and other RHD countries like South Africa etc. It's LHD version was sold in France. Export vehicle was given in India also, the only difference was that European specification lights etc (E marked) were not given inthe domestic version. That's why.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Mr Behram is an ocean of knowledge on anything pertaining to Jeeps, particularly Mahindra. Awesome!

[trammway]

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear all - let me clear all queries. The original vehicle was known as the CJ3B about which I am not writing here. It became CJ340DP when the Peugeot XDP4.90 engine and the 4 speed KMT90 transmission were dropped in it. In 1995, the CJ became the CL as the nomenclature CJ was owned by Chrysler and therefore M&M changed over from CJ to CL. The CJ/CL340 was made from 1993 upto 1997 when the CL340 classic was introduced. The basic difference between the CL340 and the CL340 classic is as follows:

Axle ratio - CL340 has 5.38:1 axle ratio whereas CL340 classic has 4.88:1 axle ratio. Transfer case actuating levers - the CL340 had the double lever actuating transfer case whereas the CL340 classic had the single lever actuating transfer case. Clutch actuation and brakes - the CL340 had floor mounted brake and clutch pedals whereas the CL340 classic had the suspended brake and clutch pedals. This is because the CL340 had all drum brakes whereas the CL340 classic had front disc brakes which require booster assistance for which the booseter has to be mounted on the dash panel for which the pedal has to be suspended to reach the booster. Obviously therefore, clutch becomes cable operated in the classic instead of link operated in the CL340. In the CL340, the handbrake is actuated on a drum fitted to the back of the transfer case, in the CL340 classic, it is actuated in the rear wheels. Instrument panel - the CL340 has a small centre console whereas the CL340 classic has the FRP instrument panel with around 12 telltale lights. Wheels and tyres - the CL340 was supplied with F78/15 tyres on steel wheels whereas the CL340 classic was supplied with P215/75R15 tyres on wire wheels supplied by wheels India and then on 5 spoke aluminium finish alloy wheels. Wheel arches - both vehicles had FRP wheelarches, the CL340 had bigger ones, the CL340 classic had smaller ones painted in body colour. Engine changes - the alternator did not have vacuum pump drive in the CL340 whereas it had a vacuum pump drive in the CL340 classic (for booster brakes). Seats - the CL340 had 118NE derived fixed backrest angle seats whereas the CL340 classic had high backrest variable backrest angle seats. Bull bar - the CL340 had the FJ (old FC) derived front bumper whereas the CL340 classic had the stainless steel bull bar. Radiator mosquito screen - the CL340 had it, the CL340 classic did not have it. Bonnet catches - the CL340 had 4 bonnet catches, the CL340 classic had only 2 in the front. Tobo hook - the CL340 did not have a tobo hook, the CL340 classic had a tobo hook (50 mm diameter sphere for pulling a trailer, mounted on the "K" member.

Why was the classic born? - the CL340 classic is a domestic version of the CL340RHD classic sold by M&M in England and other RHD countries like South Africa etc. It's LHD version was sold in France. Export vehicle was given in India also, the only difference was that European specification lights etc (E marked) were not given inthe domestic version. That's why.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Behram Dhabhar, I'm seeing all or most of the information you have given here asn CL340 are belongs to CJ340, and I'm sure there was no CL340 other than the CL30 DP aka Classic. Classic is a promotional name given for CL340 DP by Mahindra.

Also the diff ratios:
the CJ340DP Diff-Ratio 5.38:1
the CL340DP Diff-Ratio 4.88:1
the MM540 DPDiff-Ratio 4.88:1

and Classics are made from 3rd quarter 1996, and my Jeep is one from 4th quarter. I have also seen 1996 Jan mfg CJ340 which is still running in Chennai by a Security Company. If what I own and seen is true, the only difference in the time is 6 months, do youthink with in 6 months Mahindra got one more version CL340 on the sale?

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by trammway

Behram Dhabhar, I'm seeing all or most of the information you have given here asn CL340 are belongs to CJ340, and I'm sure there was no CL340 other than the CL30 DP aka Classic. Classic is a promotional name given for CL340 DP by Mahindra.

Also the diff ratios:
the CJ340DP Diff-Ratio 5.38:1
the CL340DP Diff-Ratio 4.88:1
the MM540 DPDiff-Ratio 4.88:1

and Classics are made from 3rd quarter 1996, and my Jeep is one from 4th quarter. I have also seen 1996 Jan mfg CJ340 which is still running in Chennai by a Security Company. If what I own and seen is true, the only difference in the time is 6 months, do youthink with in 6 months Mahindra got one more version CL340 on the sale?

Should be easy enough to confirm considering Behram had a 1995 ??340 and RedMM340 still has a 1995 ??340. The CL340DP diff-ratio you mentioned is also interesting. If you turn out to be right, even Behram may learn a thing or two about Mahindra.

[bdn317]

Experts please advice. Is it possible to convert a 1995 model cl-340-dp into a cl-340-dp-classic?? I have read the posts by Behram sir which clearly gives the difference between the above mentioned vehicles.
My questions to the experts is, since the classic is hard to source, can we convert a cl-340-dp into an exact replica (100%) of the Classic?? if so, what are the changes needed to be done?? as far as i know, both the above mentioned vehicles have the same engines. Right?? pardon me if i am wrong!! I am not new to jeeps. i have been following the classic from the year 2000 (when it was already out of production ) But i am still a fresher when it comes to the technical aspects of the vehicle!
please list out the changes required to be carried out in order to accomplish this conversion!

thanks.

[Samurai]

Don't you already have a Mahindra Classic? Is this for somebody else?

Anyway, according to Siva all CL340s are already classics, you may not have to do anything. On the other hand, lot of CJ340s have been converted to look like Classic. Sachin in Udupi has done it himself, you can check with him, his Jeep can be seen here.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by bdn317

Experts please advice. Is it possible to convert a 1995 model cl-340-dp into a cl-340-dp-classic??

No expert. But yes. Including the floating paddles.

[bdn317]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Don't you already have a Mahindra Classic? Is this for somebody else?

yeah, your right! i still am a proud owner of a classic! 96 model! my cousin recently purchased a 95 model cl-340. comparing it to my classic, there is no much difference between the two. Apart from the cosmetic changes the main difference i noticed are as follows:
1. front disk brakes & different hand brake
2. double lever actuating transfer case for 4*4
3. foot pedals for brakes and clutch
4. no instrument panel and spoke wheels.

so i was wondering if i can help him convert it into an exact replica of the classic!

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by bdn317

yeah, your right! i still am a proud owner of a classic! 96 model! my cousin recently purchased a 95 model cl-340.

Are you sure it is a CL-340, can you post a photo of the plaque behind the steering wheel?

Originally Posted by bdn317

2. double lever actuating transfer case for 4*4
3. foot pedals for brakes and clutch

Even the CJ340 has double lever and foot pedals. This is a little confusing, can you post the photos of this 1995 CL340.

[trammway]

Originally Posted by bdn317

yeah, your right! i still am a proud owner of a classic! 96 model! my cousin recently purchased a 95 model cl-340.

If not anything can you post the Chassis number of the 95 model jeep your cousins. Just dial him over the phone get the numbers from RC and post it here. It will through some light to the confusion that many people here are going through and will clear the doubts of how the CJ340 is interpreted as CL340.

[Cyrus43]

Behram Dhabhar here - once again - CJ340 = 5.38. CL340 = 5.38. CL340 classic = 4.88. Period.

Dear Sharath - a small piece of information - My CL340 MH01P8300 was with 4.27 from the time it was born, but that's another story.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar