Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd?

n.devdath · 11th December 2010, 15:10

Note from Mod : The Thar's full test & review has been uploaded at this link.

Hi All,
Since the Thar has been launched with IFS in the front and a manual transfer case using the 2.6 CRDe engine, I was wondering if it is possible to fit the same 4wd aggregates onto the 2wd Scorpio without changing the front suspension and extensive chassis welding?

If yes, is this advisable and what cost might I have to incur?

Rajith · 11th December 2010, 15:33

Basically Thar platform seems to be from series of Scorpio before 2005 end , with out CRDE.Now i am planning for a MM550/MM540 body on scorpio non crde 4wd conversion.Please dont change uer 2wd to 4wd , as there a lot of changes in suspension set up from coil springs to Torsion bars,G box, drive shafts an chasis.Still if u feel to do in perfect set up, cost should be some where around 2L.

4x4addict · 11th December 2010, 17:39

@devnath: The chasis and front suspension set up is different. This cannot be done safely by a dealer or private workshop at a reasonable cost. For vehicles with IFS and 4WD, it is always cheaper and better to sell and buy the 4WD version.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 11th December 2010, 21:41

I agree with Tini ^^, stay away from such practices.

Spike

n.devdath · 12th December 2010, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

I agree with Tini ^^, stay away from such practices.

Spike

Spike, in case the front suspension mount points of the Thar and the 2wd Scorpio are the same, would it still not be possible? And yes, you need to tell me if they are the same. If they are different, then there is no point.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 12th December 2010, 20:45

One has a torsion bar setup (with LCA) other is a coil spring setup. Front axle mounting arrangement makes the difference here.

Spike

pramods · 12th December 2010, 21:35

I have a suggestion, why not buy a new 4wd scorpio chasis and then do all the other required modification on that!! I am aware you can get the chasis from factory but with some difficulties.
It would be easier to work with this than modify the existing 2wd chasis.
-Pramod

n.devdath · 12th December 2010, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pramods

I have a suggestion, why not buy a new 4wd scorpio chasis and then do all the other required modification on that!! I am aware you can get the chasis from factory but with some difficulties.
It would be easier to work with this than modify the existing 2wd chasis.
-Pramod

Possible Spike? In case it is, can you pl suggest if I can also procure the manual Borg Warner transfer case and fit it onto the existing 4wd setup of a 4wd Scorpio.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 13th December 2010, 07:24

Why are you insisting on all these? Instead, buy a new vehicle off the shelf. Spike PS- Nothing is impossible.

Rajith · 13th December 2010, 15:54

Dear Spike,
Whats your thought of MM550/MM540 body on scorpio non crde 4wd conversion (2005 model , chain drive).
vehicle is available for 4Lacx.
Body can be sold for 1Lacx.
MM 550 body Top condition 0.5Lacx
Total 3.5Lacx with AC.
Whats uer thoughts...
Rajith

2500cc · 13th December 2010, 16:56

Hi Spike, I have a 2006 XD3P Slx Bolero. Could you please let me know if it makes sense to plonk the Thar's 4x4 on my Bolero.

Cheers,
rajesh

n.devdath · 13th December 2010, 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Why are you insisting on all these? Instead, buy a new vehicle off the shelf.

Let me clarify. The OTR Price of a new MHawk at Blore is around 13.5lac. Even if I spend 4 lacs on Hariya and can convert him into a reliable 4wd, I stand to gain. Moreover, I prefer the CRDe engine to the MHawk due to its simple nature.

Hariya has done around 40k so is still as good as new, inside out.

Now, can you share your inputs and possibilities please Spikey...

Oh yes, and I forgot to add that I m interested in the manual shift lever powered transfer case rather than the electronic one and that is not being offered with the new Scorpio too AFAIK.

HappyWheels · 13th December 2010, 18:33

Dev,

Snap out of this dream of converting your 2WD to 4WD!

Even if Spike gives you all the way it has to be done, with part number and assembly instructions you will fall short of the right man power and tools.

All this unless you plan to ride to M&M factory to get this conversion done.

EDIT:

Sell your Scorpio, take that money, add the 4L you budgeted to the sales proceed, buy a Thar and put in a HT, PS and A/c. You have all you want! (and might end up with some cash)

n.devdath · 13th December 2010, 18:52

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Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Even if Spike gives you all the way it has to be done, with part number and assembly instructions you will fall short of the right man power and tools.

To begin with, I will not buy the Thar at the kind of interior and exterior F&F that it has been launched with. TBHPians like Fazal make old jeeps a million times better than Thar when it comes to the "Feel Factor". Hell, the decade old Classic "looks and feels" much better.

Moreover, I m not a hard core off roader and have no intentions of being one either.

Secondly, a chassis swap is not a difficult thing at all. You know the kind of people I know.

I m waiting for Spike to reply.

Ashley Nair · 13th December 2010, 19:38

This thread is getting more and more interesting. Is it possible to plonk a Scorpio Di( pre 2005) engine on a DI Bolero without much modifications to the gear box set up?

11th December 2010, 15:10	#1
n.devdath BANNED Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,287 Thanked: 2,816 Times	Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? Note from Mod : The Thar's full test & review has been uploaded at this link. Hi All, Since the Thar has been launched with IFS in the front and a manual transfer case using the 2.6 CRDe engine, I was wondering if it is possible to fit the same 4wd aggregates onto the 2wd Scorpio without changing the front suspension and extensive chassis welding? If yes, is this advisable and what cost might I have to incur? Last edited by GTO : 5th January 2011 at 18:48. Reason: Adding link to Thar review
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Rajith BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: bangalore Posts: 656 Thanked: 756 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? Basically Thar platform seems to be from series of Scorpio before 2005 end , with out CRDE.Now i am planning for a MM550/MM540 body on scorpio non crde 4wd conversion.Please dont change uer 2wd to 4wd , as there a lot of changes in suspension set up from coil springs to Torsion bars,G box, drive shafts an chasis.Still if u feel to do in perfect set up, cost should be some where around 2L.
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4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,497 Thanked: 4,648 Times View My Garage	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? @devnath: The chasis and front suspension set up is different. This cannot be done safely by a dealer or private workshop at a reasonable cost. For vehicles with IFS and 4WD, it is always cheaper and better to sell and buy the 4WD version.
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SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,856 Thanked: 1,545 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? I agree with Tini ^^, stay away from such practices. Spike
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SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,856 Thanked: 1,545 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? One has a torsion bar setup (with LCA) other is a coil spring setup. Front axle mounting arrangement makes the difference here. Spike
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pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 993 Thanked: 858 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? I have a suggestion, why not buy a new 4wd scorpio chasis and then do all the other required modification on that!! I am aware you can get the chasis from factory but with some difficulties. It would be easier to work with this than modify the existing 2wd chasis. -Pramod
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13th December 2010, 07:24	#9
SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,856 Thanked: 1,545 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? Why are you insisting on all these? Instead, buy a new vehicle off the shelf. Spike PS- Nothing is impossible. Last edited by SPIKE ARRESTOR : 13th December 2010 at 07:34.
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13th December 2010, 15:54	#10
Rajith BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: bangalore Posts: 656 Thanked: 756 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? Dear Spike, Whats your thought of MM550/MM540 body on scorpio non crde 4wd conversion (2005 model , chain drive). vehicle is available for 4Lacx. Body can be sold for 1Lacx. MM 550 body Top condition 0.5Lacx Total 3.5Lacx with AC. Whats uer thoughts... Rajith
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13th December 2010, 16:56	#11
2500cc BHPian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 739 Thanked: 354 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? Hi Spike, I have a 2006 XD3P Slx Bolero. Could you please let me know if it makes sense to plonk the Thar's 4x4 on my Bolero. Cheers, rajesh
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13th December 2010, 18:33	#13
HappyWheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,145 Thanked: 571 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? Dev, Snap out of this dream of converting your 2WD to 4WD! Even if Spike gives you all the way it has to be done, with part number and assembly instructions you will fall short of the right man power and tools. All this unless you plan to ride to M&M factory to get this conversion done. EDIT: Sell your Scorpio, take that money, add the 4L you budgeted to the sales proceed, buy a Thar and put in a HT, PS and A/c. You have all you want! (and might end up with some cash) Last edited by HappyWheels : 13th December 2010 at 18:36.
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13th December 2010, 19:38	#15
Ashley Nair BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alappuzha Posts: 315 Thanked: 231 Times	Re: Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd? This thread is getting more and more interesting. Is it possible to plonk a Scorpio Di( pre 2005) engine on a DI Bolero without much modifications to the gear box set up?
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