[winsler_srider]

Hey everyone,

For the last 1.6+ years I've been reading, listening, viewing a lot about the 4x4 community, various events across India, people who organizes these, intellectuals with bundle pack of unending knowledge on anything running on wheels and even more, their modifications, good and bad about every bolt, beam, panel, needle, fiber to even complete ground build up, from rust-bucket to brand new state and such countless limitless wonders all over this portal. There is a starting point for everything but in my case I really can't see when things started to change inside me. As for everyone, I too have my short story.

April 12,2014. Not sure why or what I was looking but I only remember seeing Mahindra Great Escape [MGE] videos, off-roading videos and events from then. I always had a mind with lean towards motor sports, but not what I got from my web surfing. All upon a sudden I was thinking to take part in one of the MGE happening in my region and I don't have a vehicle to attend.

I went to lots of people with my honest belief that, no one would lend their well maintained, full condition vehicles for me who have not even driven any such vehicle till that day, but still I tried. Saw few people who had variety of vehicles, some where not in that much great shape but running. They all were happy to sell it but not lend it, as eventually I understood that for me also borrowing will not work for the type of endeavor that I'm planning to begin. Finally decided to buy something that I can make use of for most of the occasions. Then it was between to buy a jeep or a gypsy. Started looking very helpful online market of used items - OLX [didn't knew about TBHP's classified section that time]. Saw lots of rides with different price tags, called around 35+ owners, went to different test drives, meanwhile I was also going through "The Definitive Indian Car Website" to understand about what should I take and what I will have to search for. I told my parents that I need to buy another vehicle for the purpose, normal vehicles from a middle class family wont be capable of. They really thought I was joking and didnt consider what I said seriously. But as days passed they began to feel the heat and understood that I'm not going to stop until I get something to meet the purpose.

On May 15, 2014 I registered for MGE @Vagamon scheduled to happen on September, 2014 without even having a vehicle. It was all hope that I will get a vehicle and will attend the event. But time was flying away and adv.s from OLX did not match much with my budget and it was getting dimmer. Then my dad told me that we will buy a brand new Gypsy. WOW ! I was looking at him thinking "am I dreaming?" We checked about the same with few people, went through the numbers to get one on road and to get it off road ready. But with few days Gypsy couldn't carry the momentum forward and that thought died without seeing sunlight. Then it was with jeeps. After a long search bought a Jeep, which in turn is another short story [ may be later].

A few pics of the ride at the time I bought him last year - 2002 MM550 XD 2.5L 4X4

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

As it was given the purpose of one and only one thing - Off-roading, other than making the basic things working without any issue no further upgrades or modification were done. In fact the only modification was replacing the 275-16 Yokohama HTs to 235-16 Yoko ATS and servicing the fuel pump as there was the new feature of auto-engine turning off system when in idle in between short travel which was caused due to water in fuel pump, I was told. The rear hood was in bad shape but kept them as such as it was not used much, always kept it open. Though I didn't feel any issue with the brakes, there was a critical problem with the rear side - all the oil seals were broken and oil had seeped into the drums , brake cylinders were not working/jammed state and practically there was no braking action from rear end. All those time I was managing the jeep with just front brakes. Then had to replace the axle oil seals, new bearings, brake cylinders, drums were washed in diesel and cleaned with soap solution. There was also issue with the brake boosters as if there never moved when pedal is depressed, the pedal stayed stiff and so had to replace that as well. After it was visible that my rear was also stopping when brakes applied. I didn't try driving fast [>55 kmph] till then and had not faced any sudden braking situation as well which helped me to stay alive, I think. With the brakes fixed, jeep felt more confident, but not as much as like in a car though.

Work done:
1. Changed gear oil, engine oil and axle oil.
2. Tyres changed to Yokohama 235s.
3. Fuel pump serviced
4. Fuel filter changed
5. Fuel line changed
6. Rear Break overhaul
7. Brake booster replaced

A few pics when the jeep was lifted for installation of brand new Yokohama tyres.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

Funny thing is that when ever I drove my jeep across the near by street, familiar people / friends say that there goes the "Boat". I knew that jeeps have louder engine compared to cars, the people saying made me listen to the XD3P engine roar more specifically and then I found one thing. Lower RPMs gives a sweet flowing honey low tone sound from engine while if we rev the engine tone changes and there comes the roar. There even happened a situation when a few workers who were servicing local drainage took shelter under our roof extension while it started raining and I was casually sitting inside jeep watching rain happening. I did only start the engine and they all jumped off to the road hearing the roar, it actually sounded similar to a roar, may be thinking some bomb had fell over their head. They all completely got frightened which was evident from their reaction.

Few images of jeep's articulation. pardon me for the poor quality pics.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

Now for everyone's sake, please consider the below experience that I've shared with a mind that will understand a child playing with new toy, which he has not yet fully mastered. In real it was nothing different !

Then it was September and we had the MGE Vagamon edition happening. As pointed before, I had registered for the event 4 months back itself and just had to be there on the day, which we did. It was my first time to Vagamon driving myself and was not sure about the roads and directions to reach there. Google maps was the guide. We made through Thodupuzha to reach Vagamon, but where we actually reached was "Idukki Power Station". Directly at the front gate of power station, there was no one, no vehicles, just us. Took few photos and left for Vagamon. Then the soul breaking moment. When we, me and my colleague Sreejayan, reached Vagamon village saw 3 black jeeps - 2 540s and 1 CJ500 with cylindrical sub-woofer. Mann, they-were-looking-killer [1st time seeing jeeps like that] and we felt like a local dog among the high breeds of Canines. Even thought of turning back and return to our humble home, but we picked up our weeping minds and with drooling eyes we followed those mud eating machines. From this you would have got an idea of what was the level of jeeping I had, at that time.

The three black jeeps & Power station.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

One the way to registration another rumble happened.

We went for participating in Fun trail and not the off-road competition part, as most of you might have already guessed. And while following those 3 black jeeps we reached the plantation where the event is carried out. There was the big flex board with image of jeeps splashing slush at the entrance of the plantation and we confidently went it without any doubt, at the back of the pack of 4 jeeps, including ours. We kept driving, still driving, more driving. Did some 4H sections as well and then it struck us, to all 4 teams. There was less chance of any resort being in the middle of nothing but many rocks and few grass. And so they called their other friends and voila. Resort was on the way to plantation and not inside the plantation. By then I think we had already covered about 4-5 Km of trail and I learned to engage and use 4X4 in a wild track. I remember that I had verified that the 4X4 system works before setting out for the event, fact being it was tried on a beach where there was a pool of water with sprinkle of slush, just a bit. So learning to use 4X4 completed for then and rushed to resort where registration happens and breakfast was served. Real concern was whether they have already started the trail run, but we were fortunate and finally reached the Winter Vale resorts and completed the registration without loosing the convoy. Seeing all those ready to plunder vehicles, we realized our pole position [from last in the list] that this type of event requires more preparation, I must say. But it was my first time ever !

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

And so immediately after the initial activities we went to have a quick breakfast and joined the crowed. We slowly pushed us between the rides and went to the already completed half way trail. Then the lead decided to take a different track and we were called back, crawling for about one hour we reached a plain meadow where all the jeepers stopped to take snaps and inhale some fresh cool mystified air. Soon we left down hill and the track that was there had small boulders and pits which made the jeep dance a bit, sliding side ways though the motion is forward. That was a different feeling. Then after some grass hopping and bush wading we were at the river bank. There was this small river/stream that had just enough water with level reaching below knee and the lead was simply asking to those who want to get wet can make use of that stream. Few tried, few didn't, when our turn came, Sreejayan told not to attempt as he was thinking about his family mostly. But the convoy lead was giving us such an encouragement that we decided to get into the river, yeah jeep will also come with us. And he guided how to take up the strides without flipping the jeep over. We inched forward, and the front wheels are now in the river and the rear on the high ground, not something which we [i] can do everyday. Drove into the river, took a small turn to left, riverse and then through almost the same track went up the bank with little effort, which was amazing for me and my friend. We crossed that wonderful obstacle and wow. There there was that small climb that we crawled without any issue and parked right behind the lead vehicle. We came back to see how others are performing and they all did perform very well, but few faced some struggle to get up the climb mostly as the track got slippery due to all the previous rides scraping the track and filling it with water from river. And on we marched forward, tumbling over small stones, tiny rocks, biting our teeth to a hill side. It was due to our inexperience completed in 4H, which others crossed in 2H was not a difficult trail. And there was this willys jeep with 8 people on-board right behind us. When we came to a halt, one of them came to us and asked whether few of them can ride with us since their vehicle is too crowded. We said, Yes, and 4 of them hopped in ours. Then the fun began. Same trail, no special events, simple drive stuff, but when I took a turn to left as the hill pushes the trail to left, it happened.

All the jeeps before us went through that turn casually, I too took it casually and so there was this one boulder, tiny one, on the right track of the trail close to the hill side. I should say that on to the left side there is this steep incline with bushes and tea shrubs. So when I drove over that turn, front wheels went fine but rear right wheel took a hit, pushed the vehicle to the left and in a moment the jeep was angling down to the rear left. And like monkeys jumping out of trees, all of those people including my friend flew out of the jeep through wherever gap they could make it. Instead of fear, seeing this I felt it unnecessarily comic, excited and surprised all at the same time. No matter what I was sure not to leave the ride and sat inside when all of these happened and I was facing skies. Driver side wheel was hanging free and only miss that happened is no one took a photo of of jeep in that pose. Honked loud and everyone in front and rear came for our aid. It was nice to see people helping me not because that they had to get back to resort but as with simple mind of companionship. Few stood over the front bumper, few pulled the read right hood frame, few even pulled up the left rear end finally making contact on ground and I happily inched to the trail. Another awesome moment ! Said thanks to all and everyone to their rides.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

There was also a chance when we were asked to cross and come back a small stream which we tried with lots of excitement and crossed successfully. Those who got into our jeep from the willys started to tease their friends telling "what are you all doing, simply driving around, look at us, we are having an adventure here, it should be like this, you all sit like that there" and all. This made me and my friend laughing out and the environment just lit up. They kept on babbling about many things, which gave life to the trail for us. And upon reaching a point we and to take a V turn, not even U, and that too to the left. Everything was going left that day. As the passengers inside already had an experience they were kind enough to jump out of the jeep without any complaints. And then happened the next adventure. As my jeep is just stock and nothing more,making turns as you all know was very simple. Keep turning till the tire wont turn more but with such an effort like pulling up a 20 liter bucket filled with water from 15 ft. deep well. I did the first set of push-pull, it was not enough for taking the turn, but it was enough for pushing the front right off the track by a bit. And similar to earlier track, here right side had bushes and shrubs. Took the second set of turn after struggling and making a humongous reverse of 2 ft and then on the way forward, driver side tire was an inch over the steep incline turned towards left. Since the clutch action was not that precise or responsive or even accurate in my jeep, it was a new level of training for me to master how to switch between clutch and brake and acceleration pedals with two of my legs. And in an effort to make a reverse I was jumping inside to change the pedals and made it. Hooossh ! Sweat was raining all over my body and in the third set of turn got the jeep back into the other leg of the V track and done. My new friends were all excited with the second round of adventure and kept teasing their friends. Upon reaching the valley near by, the convoy stopped and we got a glimpse of the competition category vehicles tackling the terrain there. I saw Sam Kurian covering the terrain in reverse in a 540, a Thar which the driver I heard not sure but a lady, had dug deep into the slush there with one wheel submerged completely and others watching the competition. Few minutes and after we left from there and without more adventure we came back to our destination, alive. I should thank for the reason that made those guys from willys jeep who without knowing dare to travel with us as from the time they joined us it was a different level of time that we had and we greatly enjoyed it.

Got the certificate, took few photos, had lunch at 5:30 pm and then around 6 pm we started for home. But even then, those who were participating in the competition trail were still conquering the obstacles, day and night. Awesome !

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

So it was the time for next MGE @Vagamon and we had better plans for this time. I checked with few friends and they were ready to come along and we made a schedule. Instead of directly going to Vagamon at the morning of event, we decided to go through Munnar to Kolukkumalai in day1 and then to Vagamon in day2. This place is not a tourist heaven, but it has a specialty. It is the world's highest plantation where TEA is grown and it was our first day's destination. The schedule was like below, well most of it:

Day 1 - Saturday, 26th Sept
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1. 06.00 AM - Starting from home
2. 08.30 AM - Breakfast @ Adimali
3. 12.01 PM - Arrive @ Kolukkumalai, Lunch from near by stores
4. 01.00 PM to 04.30 PM - chuttikkaanal around Kolukkumalai, photo takings
5. 05.00 PM - Departure to Nedumkandam.
6. 07.30 PM - Arrive @ Nedkumkandam, Room search, Dinner, resting

Day 2 - Sunday, 27th Sept
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1. 07.00 AM - Start from Nedumkandam to Vagamon.
2. 09.00 AM - Arrive @ Winter Vale resort, Vagamon.
3. 09.10 AM - Collect pass and other items from registration for Mahindra Great Escape Off-Roading event and attack on breakfast provided.
4. 10.00 AM to around 03.30 PM - OFF- ROADING starts. Roaming in JEEP.
5. 04.00 PM - Return to Resort, have lunch.
6. 05.30 PM - Start from Resort


All the activities were planned 2 weeks before itself and we were waiting for THE Day to come and it was Friday. My jeep had loose hood and it was not comfortable under sun as cabin got highly heated up during day and so had to get an inner lining added. After walking behind the local upholstery guy he finally agreed to help me out despite of his busy workloads and finally he gave front seats worked out and few tweeks on hood to make it more adequate. Friday evening got both done and then to the electrician. Headlight ! Well they were working but it was not throwing out enough light. So without knowing what could be the issue, I bought 2 100/90 W light bulbs and took it to the electrician. My belief was, the one that's in use currently is of lower watts and that's why less light but when we opened up the lens, it was the same Watt bulbs that were there, only a bit dimmer though. Electrician tried few things, he checked the wiring, connected a line directly to the bulb and verified the brightness, tried one light set with old bulb and the other with new and it was making no big difference. So they told that it can be due to the faulty wiring and when they re-did the wiring for just the headlights cutting out the old wiring, it was like a sunny day. Felt I should have done that when I got the jeep on first hand, but I did not know. I also wanted to get a reverse lamp fixed but they were having another truck's work to be finished and so it's for next time. Thus final vehicle preparation was done and on a note if any of the officials or marshals checked my ride, I'm sure that they will not allow me to take part in a competition event. But I was not going for any competition rite. Just fun drive !

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

Saturday 26th, Sept.

Morning 5 AM. Right on time, no one came. Making calls, asking to reach my place asap. Finally at around 6.30 AM my friends came. And we started the journey. Four of us - Alfred, Manu, Sayooj and me.

The front seats were asked to be cushioned in the way I wanted and so it was feeling really good after a long time. We kept on going, had breakfast - Iddly, sambar, Masala Dosa, Vada etc, it was nice, from Kothamangalam, a Uduppi hotel and stopped few places for taking pics. Reached Adimaly around 11.30 AM. Stopped at a workshop. 1 not so important item but a necessary one, had to be fixed. Yes, speedometer. It was not working from a trip that I made a month ago to Malappuram for another event, another short story. And I'm laazzy. :(
On checking I found that the mechanic were having more than handful of work as they were fixing the transmission of a commander and were trying to put it back connected to engine, which was not going easy. I felt that if I stay back until they fix that and then install speedometer cable on my ride, it will take most of the day light and so decided to push forward, but only after having some snacks. And with a quick recharge we headed towards Munnar. Saw both waterfalls - Cheeyapara and Valara, plunging down with tons of liters of water. These water are good for drinking right away they say. And we reached Munnar but no stopping there, as we had good deal of time lost already. The ride through the hill side road was a good great experience as on a previous occasion I made the jeep drift around a corner turn quite a long way and stopped right in front of Police flying squad. Ohh, I thank god for making the police to be at the place at that moment, else I would be writing posts to souls in the world above. Wonder why, if there was no police checking, the truck [that was stopped by police for checking] would have been coming right through and over us, making a wallpaper of 3 poor lives. Yeah ! we kept ourselves comfortable, making fun of things and matter and reached Sooryanelli - bit famous place I guess. There we saw a small workshop, we got the speedometer cable fixed and it was working properly. Also there was this old Armada that was getting reshaped similar to Scorpio getaway or 4-door Mahindra pick up. Sorry, forgot to take pics. Had some chat with the mechanic about the same, about various places re-modeling is done and alteration are made. Once after the talk I asked how much for the fix on my ride, he said 20 Rs. I felt that would be a good place to get all the niggles cleared. Anyway, my hands were looking like it was me who repaired the jeep, with a cream of grease and oil from playing with the old and new cables and other stuff. Wiped my hands clean and then to the small town.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

Had lunch from Hotel Siva. "Porotta-egg curry" and it was hot & tasty. Then we slowly drove through a private plantation property as it was open for visitors as well and we were going slowly not because we saw a board written 20 KMPH, but because the road was in that super condition challenging us to cross it without breaking our teeth even while riding over speed as low as 20 KMPH. Since we were thinking to have proper dinner that day, we decided not to take the challenge and drove with ease. Reaching the plantation office and wow ! Plantation workers are on a strike blocking the road, for a hike in their salary, which was viral on those days. We believe they deserved a hike and watched them raising slogans and comments. But we had to go and asked an old man "Which way to Kolukkumalai". He said a direction and we headed right through that way. Saw great landscapes, scenery. Took lots of pics. Few good shots. And when we took a turn and saw another jeep which we saw while we were starting from the hotel where we had lunch. And we were thinking how come this jeep get there before us and we didn't even see that jeep crossing us. Thinking that there might have been a shortcut somewhere that we missed, we overtook that jeep and voila !!! Right in front of the hotel where we had lunch. Yes - Circle. We have made a full circle and circle comes in many shapes. Funny thing is that we asked way to our destination to a guy near the hotel and when we came to the same spot he was there and told "Ninga pinneam vannaaa ?" - 'U came back again ?' ! And we broke into a laughing stock. It was so comic that we actually could have taken the path that we came back to hotel this time from the location where strike was happening, to reach to Kolukkumalai. Ahh! we realized that after a while. But I should say that the look of places around us was more than beautiful, with cloudy sky and dripping tea plants. A different beautiful view. It was worth going in a circle.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

Now that we decided to get back to the turn where we took wrong turn as per that old man, we took a right turn and there was 5 hair pin turns, very good ones. Had to take a few back & forth trials to get past each of them and we got a feeling that we are yet again in the wrong path [Which was indeed the wrong way ]. Still because my friends insisted to try to get to some point I drove all the way where there came the path that's only walk-able and not even wide enough for driving through. Fact was that there was not spot to take turn and so we reached this water fall to the left of the path, where small concrete slab was placed to cross it half of which was under water already. To the right there was steep hill side. There was a small pit which extended its depth towards the water fall side and so to make things interesting we decided to take U-turn there, as we had more space there to do it than to keep moving any more further. So tried in 2H, didn't work. 4H, yeah I was able to make it till the pit, but as we reached towards the pit, it became tougher and was not helping much, so 4L. Now things got real better. We managed to crawl towards the waterfall rock region past the pit. But to make the turn we had to reach till the edge of the right side - downhill side of the path. Somehow with the left rear wheel spinning a bit we took couple of swing and alas we made our U-turn. And with the grace of god, it was heavily raining all these time. Awesome !

Thus we realized that fuel in the tank is now almost half the way down in meter, as we had our initial fueling back at home town. With a shivering mind drove us back to the same spot from where we took the 2nd wrong turn - right turn. Then to the place where workers were striking. By the time we reached there and may be due to rain, no one was there. Time was about 4:30 PM, more or like. So we again asked another guy who then came by, "which way to Kolukkumalai". He said "its just straight ahead and we will know on the way". There was only one way to Kolukkumalai unlike the short way that the old man told us at noon. As my friends kept along with strong faith, I had a doubtful mind as it felt like reaching to some far off place where no one can find proper path to get there. But my friend mostly Manu, assured me that it will be fine and we have to go forth as we made it so far [we were still circling around the same place ]. I was still doubt full but then I got a call from my brother and we told him what happened. He said its all fine just go ahead and we will reach for sure ! That gave me some courage and belief not to turn back, which if I had done and I came back without getting there, I would be sitting here regretting a lot, a lot lot.

Thankfully we managed to keep us on track and this time on the right track as there was no other way anymore . The path is wonderfully decorated with stones ranging from tiny pebbles to wheel size boulders and we had to be very careful passing through these. Some times jeep was sliding sideways though our intention was to move ahead. And after driving for almost an hour we saw few local jeeps coming in opposite direction and we stopped one of them to check whether there is any point in going forward as it was getting dark. They said its just 15 mins away to the hill top. But we took another 45 mins or so to reach the top and it was like around 5.30+ PM, not sure. But the spot on top was great as on one side was Kerala and the other TamilNadu. Could see both states from this location and from a great height. Then there was time for me to take a break, get my legs out of souring condition, my left knee was in need of good deal of lubrication due to the very simple and light clutch pedal action that my jeep have. So staying there a bit, jumping, walking and taking many photos, we saw few other tourists. One of the drivers told that we can go to the factory where the tea is processed. Yes, world's highest located tea factory and we are near to it. So we decided to follow them and they had a yellow major, with loud music system. They were going like it was NH-47 or some express highway. But without any urgency calmly quietly we made our way to the factory which stays a bit lower than the view point at the top. Its like inside a valley. We finally reached there and had a cup of TEA. Wow, tea from one of the best place one can enjoy having it and nature fresh. Yup, so it was like 6.40 PM around when we reached there. Factory was closed after 6 PM and no visitors after that. But we took pictures, enjoying the successful trip, rain had withdrawn completely by then. After all that we came across, that tea felt something different. A high tea ! It felt as if we are close to some unknown unreachable part of the world.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

Return trip was fine as we now learned all the way to get to the right place and to get lost as well. By around 6:45 PM we started back, but on the way, i found my self that Tea plants and not plants exactly, they are shrubs and shrubs means it can be very strong, not like a plant. How I found it ? Simple, took a U turn and it was not having enough room for jeep to cover it in one go, so kept going till the edge, and a small reverse to get us aligned to the path. But what happened really was, while we went till the edge left fender had made a small contact with these tea plants, but it was those part of the plantation where tea leaves were all harvested and they were left to re-grow. This we understood once we reached our hotel for dinner and when I looked at the fender which I thought would be just a scratch, I saw a fender with inward bend, though it was small bend. So, everyone, please mind the poor tea plants, they can scratch your vehicle, more than that, they can re-shape your vehicle if you under estimate them. Since fixing that was not an option and it was not bad enough to knock us out of the trip, we decided to leave it as such and have dinner, again dinner was nice. "Paper-roast, porotta and omelet".

It was like past 8.15 PM and we had to reach Mundakkayam by 10 PM to get ourselves a place to stay to overcome the night and relax from the tough journey and the adventure that we had. All these time I was the driver for the whole journey and again I will be the driver for rest of it as well. After driving for a while I was feeling this effect - death wobble which I knew was not good for any vehicle and it was happening with mine now. It was the first time and I wondered this is not the time for steering to dance on its wish and then I realized it. We were still going in 4H and that's the reason why it happened. Quickly shifted back to 2H and success. Jeep was again drive-able. With rain accompanying us all the way and with the help of very good old Google maps we reached Mundakkayam. And it was 10:30 PM. Since we couldn't find any proper place to stay with reasonable tariff and its better to have less distance to cover on next day morning to Vagamon, we decided to make it till Kattapana. And off we went, chasing a goods truck. By 11:45 PM we reached Kattapana, took rooms, slammed on to the bed and good night.

Adding few more pics that we took while we were tripping in the right and wrong scenic routes.

regards,
winsler

[winsler_srider]

To the jeep gurus and everyone. Need help !

Recently while sudden breaking my jeep is swinging to the left. Showed to the mechanic. He told it is due to front right disc not biting when required while the left side have enough bite.

There was rust in the right side disc break cylinder with leak from the washer side and it was serviced with new kit yesterday. But now there is even more swing to the left. Checked individual breaking on both left and right wheels with front axle raised, they are showing good bite now. On road test, though the breaking has improved, jeep is not stopping in straight line. Checked alignment, wheels are all balanced - still no difference. Ensured tire pressure are all the same and it is. One of the tire shop guy told that it can be due to the worn out jute like material that is there in the axle housing-ball joint area. But that too seems to be fine and adequate. There is no issue if I'm going below 40 Kmph.

Adding to these, I found that the initial load on the break pedal looses gradually and pedal sinks to the floor as if all the fluids are leaked out. Not sure what could be the reason, whether there is a fault in line or anything on the wheel side.

Please shed some light.

regards,
winsler

[DHABHAR.BEHRAM]

Originally Posted by winsler_srider

There was right side disc brake cylinder with leak from the washer side.

Dear Winsler Srider - hello to you. I have quoted your sentence above, which identifies the problem correctly. The solution is to replace the front caliper assemblies complete with pads. Nothing else will work, so don't waste your time and money, unless you actually look forward to fiddling around with "localized solutions" . Check manufacturing compatibility, whether Bosch Chassis Systems (old KBX) or Brakes India and buy accordingly, do not mix BCS with BIL, boosters are not compatible because pedal effort v/s deceleration characteristics are slightly different. BCS has more bite, BIL has more life. I presume that all other brake aggregates are in order.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

[Rajith]

I found that the initial load on the break pedal looses gradually and pedal sinks to the floor as if all the fluids are leaked out.

Seems you have to replace Master cylinder with Booster also. Try Thar Crde single diaphragm type.Many people has upgraded old Thar boosters to Scorpios double diaphragm type, so finding one will be easy. Also for XDP3 Engine this will be more than enough.