The Blue Machine- A 540 converted into my dream machine..

gotzuk · 22nd January 2009, 12:06

Jeep Vs Gypsy is an eternal topic.
And a pretty useless at that. They are different machines
from different eras and different parts of the word.
Can't really put them together in one scale, can we??

And as far as the classic heritage is concerned,
I agree with Headers, get a CJ3B (or older)!!
MM540/550 have zilch (so called) heritage. They maybe excellent
4X4's, but definitely not JEEP.cheers:

(No Brickbats Please)

randeep04 · 22nd January 2009, 12:15

Gotzuk,

I agree with most of what you mentioned, but even the 550/540 belong to a very old breed of Jeep that has transformed with years similar to that of the Willy's.

Cheers !!!!!!!!

prmd_cochin · 22nd January 2009, 14:45

Jeep is more authentic as it arrived first on the scene, otherwise both are capable machines and equally good looking too.

headers · 23rd January 2009, 08:05

one really cant call MM540 / 550 .. "the Jeep" can they?

shankar.balan · 23rd January 2009, 08:10

of course they can be called jeeps - M&M manufactured jeeps under license in India for years.

Even the early MM540's of the 1980's and early 1990's vintage used to have a black and silver decal saying JEEP on the panel between the doors and the front mudguard/ wheel arches.

of course, now that the Jeep license is no longer with M&M, one cannot use the name any more, but these have pretty much come to be looked at as generically jeep type vehicles.

this is why the new productions of the Mahindra Major etc is called "Major", essentially it is the same old Jeep CJ design.

cheers

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Originally Posted by headers

one really cant call MM540 / 550 .. "the Jeep" can they?

DesertKing · 23rd January 2009, 09:28

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Originally Posted by shankar.balan

M&M manufactured jeeps under license in India for years.

Even the early MM540's of the 1980's and early 1990's vintage used to have a black and silver decal saying JEEP on the panel between the doors and the front mudguard/ wheel arches.

of course, now that the Jeep license is no longer with M&M, one cannot use the name any more, but these have pretty much come to be looked at as generically jeep type vehicles.

this is why the new productions of the Mahindra Major etc is called "Major", essentially it is the same old Jeep CJ design.

Guys, if the above information is correct, pls stop using word 'Jeep' for your 540/550 which are manufactured after 1990

. Good that atleast I have a licenced real Jeep (make 1990). I heard somebody was calling Gypsy as Jeep si, so now post 1990 all the MM540/MM550 can be called Jeep Si/Jeep Jaisi. (sorry that somebody break your hearts but pls take lightly)

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Originally Posted by headers

one really cant call MM540 / 550 .. "the Jeep" can they?

I can still call my Blue Machine as "the Jeep"

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Kandisa · 23rd January 2009, 10:10

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Originally Posted by shankar.balan

..Even the early MM540's of the 1980's and early 1990's vintage used to have a black and silver decal saying JEEP on the panel between the doors and the front mudguard/ wheel arches..

Was just about to mention that. What else needed to term it as a jeep when the manufacturer stamps the same 'certification' on this!

1st it was jeep vs gypsy and now the debate has shifted to authentication of 540/550's as jeep,guessing where DK's thread will head finally

randeep04 · 23rd January 2009, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Kandisa

Was just about to mention that. What else needed to term it as a jeep when the manufacturer stamps the same 'certification' on this!

1st it was jeep vs gypsy and now the debate has shifted to authentication of 540/550's as jeep,guessing where DK's thread will head finally

Kandisa,

I think DK should rename his thread and call it " JeepSy, JeepSi or Jeep"

or

"Dk's Jeep vs JeepSy vs JeepSi"

Cheers !!!!!!

headers · 23rd January 2009, 11:52

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Originally Posted by shankar.balan

Even the early MM540's of the 1980's and early 1990's vintage used to have a black and silver decal saying JEEP on the panel between the doors and the front mudguard/ wheel arches.

Well, i seem to own one of those.

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Originally Posted by DesertKing

Guys, if the above information is correct, pls stop using word 'Jeep' for your 540/550 which are manufactured after 1990

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Originally Posted by Kandisa

where DK's thread will head finally

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Originally Posted by randeep04

"Dk's Jeep vs JeepSy vs JeepSi"

Guys, as long as DK is involved in the posts, does it really matter. The fact that i said that the MM540 is not a "true" jeep is still true!

Agree with shankar.balan that it was made under license etc etc..but it still cant compare to a true CJ 3 series Jeep!

And why arent any CJ owners here, espcially the 2A, 2B, 3B ones!

The first jeeps were literally go anywhere and thats what we still exploit in offroad thereby learning our limitations as drivers!

The MM540 is a Cj5 / CJ 7 series vehicle which was evolved out of the basic CJ3 for different purposes.

Kandisa · 23rd January 2009, 12:48

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Originally Posted by headers

Well, i seem to own one of those.

So do Icheers:

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The fact that i said that the MM540 is not a "true" jeep is still true!

Now assuming 540 series belongs to the jeep genre (hope that is agreeable), how 'true' is it as a jeep, is definitely debatable. But i do agree the CJ series (2A,3A,3B) has more 'classic appeal' provided they have been restored and maintained to the stock specification with their legendary engines. Also for exclusive off-road purpose yeah Cj3b rocks

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..And why arent any CJ owners here, espcially the 2A, 2B, 3B ones!

Wait for some months patiently. An all-original one-of-its-kind CJ2A restoration is on. I am very fortunate to see it physically in my viscinity!
-regards,

headers · 24th January 2009, 13:41

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Originally Posted by Kandisa

exclusive off-road purpose yeah Cj3b rocks

Now, you are talking my friend..thats a true Jeep! cheers:

prmd_cochin · 24th January 2009, 14:22

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Originally Posted by headers

one really cant call MM540 / 550 .. "the Jeep" can they?

Its just due to commerical reasons it isnt having a JEEP badge, otherwise its very much a Jeep.

cooldude1988765 · 24th January 2009, 14:30

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Originally Posted by DesertKing

Guys, if the above information is correct, pls stop using word 'Jeep' for your 540/550 which are manufactured after 1990

. Good that atleast I have a licenced real Jeep (make 1990).

I think they had a license till 1996. I have a 1994 jeep which has a jeep logo on the area shankar sir mentioned.

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gotzuk BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delhi / Shimla Posts: 496 Thanked: 114 Times View My Garage	Jeep Vs Gypsy is an eternal topic. And a pretty useless at that. They are different machines from different eras and different parts of the word. Can't really put them together in one scale, can we?? And as far as the classic heritage is concerned, I agree with Headers, get a CJ3B (or older)!! MM540/550 have zilch (so called) heritage. They maybe excellent 4X4's, but definitely not JEEP.cheers: (No Brickbats Please)
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randeep04 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 629 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Gotzuk, I agree with most of what you mentioned, but even the 550/540 belong to a very old breed of Jeep that has transformed with years similar to that of the Willy's. Cheers !!!!!!!!
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prmd_cochin BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cochin Posts: 575 Thanked: 85 Times View My Garage	Jeep is more authentic as it arrived first on the scene, otherwise both are capable machines and equally good looking too.
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