Lookin for A Good Upgrade Solution..

adnan · 13th December 2006, 20:37

Hello guys..
...A very big Hi to all the bhpians out here...i`ve been around here from quite a while..but never posted...My lack of knwledge held me back as i am a complete novice in car audio...

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Wel decided to upgrade my setup...Nd so this time with opinions and help from all you Audio Gurus of course...
Here it goes...
The car is a Skoda Octavia rider...and the present setup is as follows:

Head unit-pioneer 6850
FRonts-Blau xl217 165cms 2 way component system
rears-jbl gto937
amp-sony 554z

So right now my requirements are GOOD and CLEAN BASS...not too boomy...And also good Quality music...As i already have a set of components dont i need to upgrade that right???
I had planned using 2 subs for better quality basss...thats only if its required.....my budget is around 20 -25k...So guys WAnt all your suggestions and ideas on improvin the present set up...

Plannin to go to bangy for installin as there arent any good installers out here in my hometown......Maybe auto fusion...Thnks in advance people....
Cheers...

blueraven316 · 14th December 2006, 00:15

Where are you planning to Buy ? if it is Bangalore then you will have loads of options, and you can hear the stuff before you decide because most leading dealers have demo vehicles, for 25k budget you can get a good setup which I suppose is for Amp and sub/subs.

Mugen_Power · 14th December 2006, 01:17

adnan,

You can buy Jbl Sub and Jbl Monoblock amp.
There are other options for subs like Pioneer,Illusion,Hertz Etc.

hydrashok · 14th December 2006, 08:48

Welcome to Team BHP, adnan!

For an Octavia, you shouldn't consider anything lesser than a 12" sub. Two 10" would be good (for tighter, non-boomy bass), but will break your budget.

Sub suggestion: JBLCS1204B (sub-in-a-box) @ 8K approx OR a Hertz ES300 @ 9k approx + a custom box for 1.5K. [The Hertz option is costlier but I'd recommend the Hertz. I personally liked the Hertz better.]

Amp Suggestion: JBL GTO301.1 monoblock or Audison SRx2 (Not sure of prices. Around 16-17K I guess). You'll also need to spend about 4K on amp wiring & and RCA interconnect cable. Audison wiring would be the best.

I've blown your budget :-) There are lesser amps, but they wouldn't give you the output you'd want in a big car like the Octavia. Alpine & Pioneer may have some options, but I have no idea of prices. Alpine is not likely to aff in your budget, and I personally have a (uhhh... unjustified) not-so-good opinion of Pioneer. A little bit of window shopping with AutoFusion at Koramangala may help you get a better setup. You'll soon get more options from the gurus here.

adnan · 14th December 2006, 08:53

@blueraven:Wel i had called Anwar when i was in bangy last month but did not meet him cause i was short of time....The problem is th`t i`l be goin to banglore only after mid jan..not before that..
i just want to make my options clear so that i can decide whats the best solution.....

Also wanted all your experiences and opinions with the various Subs and amps that i can get for my budget...

navin · 14th December 2006, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by adnan

The car is a Skoda Octavia rider...and the present setup is as follows:

Head unit-pioneer 6850
FRonts-Blau xl217 165cms 2 way component system
rears-jbl gto937
amp-sony 554z
my budget is around [b]20 -25k[/B..

Q1: how did you fit 6x9 in the rear of a Skoda Octavia?
Q2: How much space are you willing to sacrifice?

I'd consider a custom bass box if I had the space. You could make a 12" (10" internal) deep box that fit against the rear seat as wide as the car wit the woofer firing towards the tail. Hertz, JBL, Infinity, Alpine all make decent woofers. Listen to a few under 10K (leaving the other 10K for the amp and the rest for wires, install and a box).

BTW Arush (autopsyche) fit a 21" (not 12") woofer in one car so there is no upper limit.

adnan · 14th December 2006, 12:37

Well Navin.....i had a chevy aveo before which had the set up that i mentioned below....just got the new car few days back..So tot i`d upgrade whith some more components..
About the 6x9`s...had seen in one of Anwar`s set up with a custom foldable rear mdf deck...tot i would install it that way.And Space...not such a big concern....By the way..will the GTo75.4 be able to power 2 subs??..I just need a better sounding setup...Any views on how i can improve it??...

blueraven316 · 14th December 2006, 13:26

The 75.4 can support 2 subs provided the coil is single 4 Ohm upto 250 RMS max, or Dual 2 Ohms coils wired in series to connect to each Dridged output from the Amp.
But, honestly a monoblock is anyday a better option than a 4 channel for subs.

Vivekphadnis · 14th December 2006, 13:35

Just like Navin did, I too would suggest you get a sub driver from JBL, Hertz or whichever company and get a custom box made if you want to be sure you want to keep boominess to a minimum.

navin · 14th December 2006, 14:47

adnan, the 75.4 costs about 13K I think the 301.1 also from JBL costs a bit less and will drive a sub even better. There is no need to go overboard.

Option 1.
a) Add a good 250-300W rms monblock amp - cost 10K
b) add a 12" (most common size) in a custom 2-2.5cu. ft box (about 3' wide, 12" deep and 16" high - external dimension) firing towards the tail like mentioned earlier. - cost 10K + 2K more for braced and damped box
c) add a pair of good RCA cable and power cables - 3K

Now if you still want to spend more...
d) damp the trunk
and e) upgrade the 554 to something nicer like the Pio 6200, JBL 60.4, etc...

Option 2.
Get the JBL 75.4 use 2 ch. to drive the front components use the other 2 to drive the sub (it wont drive as well as a 301.1 but it will do) and use the 554 (bridged) to drive the rear.

jkdas · 14th December 2006, 19:15

option 2

spend 13k get the 75.4

Navin, teh Cs series amp will cost 10k

adnan · 14th December 2006, 21:33

hey guys... anybody got any idea about rockfort fosgate power t10001bd...or p8002 amplifier.... weather its available over here and what price...

navin · 14th December 2006, 21:59

I've heard the P8002. I think it was a direct import and not purchased locally. It was powerful. Since it was driving 2 10" MTX subs subs I could not really tell it's finesse.

blueraven316 · 14th December 2006, 23:23

The T10001bd is a killer amp, have installed one in my brother's Skoda in Cal, and it is loud as hell and clear.
Bad news is official product here costs about Rs 45000.
Its not available unofficially and even if it is then its about 32k

adnan · 15th December 2006, 14:04

but at the net the p8002 cost 269.99 $ (12,149 rs)
and t10001bd cost 429.99$(19349 rs) on credit card bassis system... +a small amount of shipment...

13th December 2006, 20:37	#1
adnan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mangalore Posts: 45 Thanked: 0 Times	Lookin for A Good Upgrade Solution.. Hello guys.. ...A very big Hi to all the bhpians out here...i`ve been around here from quite a while..but never posted...My lack of knwledge held me back as i am a complete novice in car audio...... Wel decided to upgrade my setup...Nd so this time with opinions and help from all you Audio Gurus of course... Here it goes... The car is a Skoda Octavia rider...and the present setup is as follows: Head unit-pioneer 6850 FRonts-Blau xl217 165cms 2 way component system rears-jbl gto937 amp-sony 554z So right now my requirements are GOOD and CLEAN BASS...not too boomy...And also good Quality music...As i already have a set of components dont i need to upgrade that right??? I had planned using 2 subs for better quality basss...thats only if its required.....my budget is around 20 -25k...So guys WAnt all your suggestions and ideas on improvin the present set up... Plannin to go to bangy for installin as there arent any good installers out here in my hometown......Maybe auto fusion...Thnks in advance people.... Cheers...
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14th December 2006, 00:15	#2
blueraven316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,110 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Where are you planning to Buy ? if it is Bangalore then you will have loads of options, and you can hear the stuff before you decide because most leading dealers have demo vehicles, for 25k budget you can get a good setup which I suppose is for Amp and sub/subs.
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14th December 2006, 01:17	#3
Mugen_Power Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gujarat 03 Posts: 1,302 Thanked: 18 Times	adnan, You can buy Jbl Sub and Jbl Monoblock amp. There are other options for subs like Pioneer,Illusion,Hertz Etc.
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14th December 2006, 08:48	#4
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Welcome to Team BHP, adnan! For an Octavia, you shouldn't consider anything lesser than a 12" sub. Two 10" would be good (for tighter, non-boomy bass), but will break your budget. Sub suggestion: JBLCS1204B (sub-in-a-box) @ 8K approx OR a Hertz ES300 @ 9k approx + a custom box for 1.5K. [The Hertz option is costlier but I'd recommend the Hertz. I personally liked the Hertz better.] Amp Suggestion: JBL GTO301.1 monoblock or Audison SRx2 (Not sure of prices. Around 16-17K I guess). You'll also need to spend about 4K on amp wiring & and RCA interconnect cable. Audison wiring would be the best. I've blown your budget :-) There are lesser amps, but they wouldn't give you the output you'd want in a big car like the Octavia. Alpine & Pioneer may have some options, but I have no idea of prices. Alpine is not likely to aff in your budget, and I personally have a (uhhh... unjustified) not-so-good opinion of Pioneer. A little bit of window shopping with AutoFusion at Koramangala may help you get a better setup. You'll soon get more options from the gurus here. Last edited by hydrashok : 14th December 2006 at 08:51.
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14th December 2006, 08:53	#5
adnan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mangalore Posts: 45 Thanked: 0 Times	@blueraven:Wel i had called Anwar when i was in bangy last month but did not meet him cause i was short of time....The problem is th`t i`l be goin to banglore only after mid jan..not before that.. i just want to make my options clear so that i can decide whats the best solution..... Also wanted all your experiences and opinions with the various Subs and amps that i can get for my budget...
	() Thanks

14th December 2006, 12:37	#7
adnan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mangalore Posts: 45 Thanked: 0 Times	Well Navin.....i had a chevy aveo before which had the set up that i mentioned below....just got the new car few days back..So tot i`d upgrade whith some more components.. About the 6x9`s...had seen in one of Anwar`s set up with a custom foldable rear mdf deck...tot i would install it that way.And Space...not such a big concern....By the way..will the GTo75.4 be able to power 2 subs??..I just need a better sounding setup...Any views on how i can improve it??...
	() Thanks

14th December 2006, 13:26	#8
blueraven316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,110 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	The 75.4 can support 2 subs provided the coil is single 4 Ohm upto 250 RMS max, or Dual 2 Ohms coils wired in series to connect to each Dridged output from the Amp. But, honestly a monoblock is anyday a better option than a 4 channel for subs.
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14th December 2006, 13:35	#9
Vivekphadnis BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 690 Thanked: 2 Times	Just like Navin did, I too would suggest you get a sub driver from JBL, Hertz or whichever company and get a custom box made if you want to be sure you want to keep boominess to a minimum.
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14th December 2006, 14:47	#10
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,199 Thanked: 9,307 Times	adnan, the 75.4 costs about 13K I think the 301.1 also from JBL costs a bit less and will drive a sub even better. There is no need to go overboard. Option 1. a) Add a good 250-300W rms monblock amp - cost 10K b) add a 12" (most common size) in a custom 2-2.5cu. ft box (about 3' wide, 12" deep and 16" high - external dimension) firing towards the tail like mentioned earlier. - cost 10K + 2K more for braced and damped box c) add a pair of good RCA cable and power cables - 3K Now if you still want to spend more... d) damp the trunk and e) upgrade the 554 to something nicer like the Pio 6200, JBL 60.4, etc... Option 2. Get the JBL 75.4 use 2 ch. to drive the front components use the other 2 to drive the sub (it wont drive as well as a 301.1 but it will do) and use the 554 (bridged) to drive the rear. Last edited by navin : 14th December 2006 at 14:48.
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14th December 2006, 19:15	#11
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	option 2 spend 13k get the 75.4 Navin, teh Cs series amp will cost 10k
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14th December 2006, 21:33	#12
adnan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mangalore Posts: 45 Thanked: 0 Times	rockfort fosgate amplifiers..... hey guys... anybody got any idea about rockfort fosgate power t10001bd...or p8002 amplifier.... weather its available over here and what price...
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14th December 2006, 21:59	#13
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,199 Thanked: 9,307 Times	I've heard the P8002. I think it was a direct import and not purchased locally. It was powerful. Since it was driving 2 10" MTX subs subs I could not really tell it's finesse.
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14th December 2006, 23:23	#14
blueraven316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,110 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	The T10001bd is a killer amp, have installed one in my brother's Skoda in Cal, and it is loud as hell and clear. Bad news is official product here costs about Rs 45000. Its not available unofficially and even if it is then its about 32k
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15th December 2006, 14:04	#15
adnan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mangalore Posts: 45 Thanked: 0 Times	but at the net the p8002 cost 269.99 $ (12,149 rs) and t10001bd cost 429.99$(19349 rs) on credit card bassis system... +a small amount of shipment...
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