The D-I-Y thread;-)

binz · 3rd January 2007, 20:13

So after 3 months of waiting for an ip bus cable,I logged into the forum yesterday and read about the Pioneer ip bus hack( http://www.stereophonik.com/gutterslide/IP-BUS_Hack/ ).Just by chance,happened to check out the thread on how you remove the swift dashboard thingy,and I got myself interested.

So today pulled out the HU and brought it upstairs to try out the ip bus hack.The look on my dads face was wild!,i nearly got the shelling of my life till i convinced him that i knew what i was doing.

Coming to the point,Did all the wiring according to that site;soldered all the wires and put the system back.Now heres where the problem started,the front speakers played super loud,the rear co-axials played much softer and the sub wasnt firing.What could have happened??.Note,the amp powers the rear and the sub.

Chucked the wire(was some roadside crap anyways)and decided to start afresh with proper guidance and thats what this thread is for.

help me!

Navin uncle,please merge the other two similar threads into this one.

Sam Kapasi · 3rd January 2007, 21:08

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Originally Posted by binz

Coming to the point,Did all the wiring according to that site;soldered all the wires and put the system back.Now heres where the problem started,the front speakers played super loud,the rear co-axials played much softer and the sub wasnt firing..

Did that happen only on the ipbus, aux in???

I mean, at the same time, was the cd playing well on all the speakers and sub?

binz · 3rd January 2007, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Did that happen only on the ipbus, aux in???

I mean, at the same time, was the cd playing well on all the speakers and sub?

Yup,only on the ip-bus aux in.When i switched to cd,everything played fine,switch to aux and...front speakers played super loud when i moved the fader to the front and soft when i moved the fader to the rear.I found this really strange especially since the amp powers the rear.

Vid6639 · 3rd January 2007, 22:32

Are you sure you connected everything back properly without inverting any polarities?

post some pics of your IP bus creation. I didnt make one myself but bought one and it works fine i can check with a multimeter how the channels are connected. and get back to you.

sixthsense · 3rd January 2007, 22:37

I think you took the advice from the thread i opened up awhile ago. I've not tried it myself yet as i was busy , but i'll try this weekend.

I read on some forum that some pioneer units may have different IP-BUS pins for Audio out and ground, so you may need a multi meter to check if you are using the right pins in your IP-BUS interface. It can be something else though , i just happened to read this when i was searching for the IP-BUS hack.

binz · 3rd January 2007, 23:09

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Are you sure you connected everything back properly without inverting any polarities?

post some pics of your IP bus creation. I didnt make one myself but bought one and it works fine i can check with a multimeter how the channels are connected. and get back to you.

hmm...i did do everything correctly but it was a reall crude job.Cello tape and all!Te other thing i noticed when i spliced the cable was that the ground copper wire in the cable was partly powdery(oxidised i guess).Now i know what you guys mean when you say use good quality wiring!

Anyway,ill redo it tomorrow or day after with proper "stuff" and post the pics too.

In my first post in the thread,ive posted a link,you guys please read through it and tell me if it should work or not...

binz · 3rd January 2007, 23:18

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Originally Posted by sixthsense

I think you took the advice from the thread i opened up awhile ago. I've not tried it myself yet as i was busy , but i'll try this weekend.

I read on some forum that some pioneer units may have different IP-BUS pins for Audio out and ground, so you may need a multi meter to check if you are using the right pins in your IP-BUS interface. It can be something else though , i just happened to read this when i was searching for the IP-BUS hack.

I did take advice from your thread,but this pioneer ip bus thing was mixed up on 3 different threads,and it just made the most sense to start 1 thread of the same.Thanks a lot..especially for that link

When pioneer uses 1 proprietary cable(i.e. ip bus),to connect different HUs to the same cd changer/iIpod interface/aux interface,it most ceertainly isnt feasible to have a change in ground pins and the lead(whatever).I could be wrong..

navin · 3rd January 2007, 23:28

1. which thread do I merge. links would help.

2. as others have said please check that you have L+, R+, L- and R- correctly located. Then make sure all connections are tight and secure.

Vid6639 · 3rd January 2007, 23:30

Navinji, Is it possible to compile all these pio IP-bus doubts into one thread. this particular doubt seems to be all over the place.

Here are the threads I have seen this been discussed:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...bus-cable.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...cd-player.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...ntains-hu.html

binz, is this what you did?

pioneer ip-bus connector

edit: both the links look little different. the one i have posted is for the latest cd-rb10. there was an older pioneer IP bus which is not compatible with newer HU's.

binz · 3rd January 2007, 23:35

pioneer ip-bus connector
Same thing,but i did it exactly in this manner:
Gutterslide.com - Pioneer IP-BUS Hack

one more thing,where in bangy can i get this MX cable/wire.Please give me an exact shop name and location,close the cmh road.

One more edit,could we please have tips on how to use a soldering iron accurately.All i get now is one big blob of that metal thingy(flux i think)

angelfire · 4th January 2007, 09:19

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Originally Posted by binz

One more edit,could we please have tips on how to use a soldering iron accurately.All i get now is one big blob of that metal thingy(flux i think)

Hi binz..
Here`s link for solderin wires...hope it helps...Had come across this while DIy my rca cable...How To Solder
Rest is practice...
rgrds,
angelfire

clipto333 · 4th January 2007, 15:55

hi guys,

just wanting to know if i ccan connetc multiple thing with my pio hu deh-p5650mp ip-bus...for eg 2 cd changers etc.

hydrashok · 4th January 2007, 18:10

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Originally Posted by clipto333

hi guys,

just wanting to know if i ccan connetc multiple thing with my pio hu deh-p5650mp ip-bus...for eg 2 cd changers etc.

2 CD changers

? I don't think so. Simply because AFAIK all HU's have the menu system to handle just one CD Changer (of whatever no. of CDs). No menu item in the HU software to switch between Changer 1 & Changer 2, for example. Unless of course the HU will see both changers (connected to the single CD-changer connector) as one big changer. But I seriously doubt that.

This is not based on any fact that I know of, just based on how I think the HUs and their software work.

It would be interesting to know whether this wil actually work. At least for academic reasons

gunbir · 4th January 2007, 20:44

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Originally Posted by hydrashok

2 CD changers? I don't think so. Simply because AFAIK all HU's have the menu system to handle just one CD Changer (of whatever no. of CDs). No menu item in the HU software to switch between Changer 1 & Changer 2, for example. Unless of course the HU will see both changers (connected to the single CD-changer connector) as one big changer. But I seriously doubt that.

It would be interesting to know whether this wil actually work. At least for academic reasons

Actually you CAN use two changers with Pioneer HUs. I remember there used to be an IP-Bus device that would let you do this. Let me see if I can find anything on it in my old folders.

rsjaurr · 4th January 2007, 21:10

Binz,unfortunately you took the DIY too far when these efforts should ideally be left to our experts even though it may turn out be a minor mistake.
I am also looking for looking for a cable to connect portable music players to my HU but i would never open my HU myself just to find some alternate way to do it.

3rd January 2007, 20:13	#1
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	The D-I-Y thread;-) So after 3 months of waiting for an ip bus cable,I logged into the forum yesterday and read about the Pioneer ip bus hack( http://www.stereophonik.com/gutterslide/IP-BUS_Hack/ ).Just by chance,happened to check out the thread on how you remove the swift dashboard thingy,and I got myself interested. So today pulled out the HU and brought it upstairs to try out the ip bus hack.The look on my dads face was wild!,i nearly got the shelling of my life till i convinced him that i knew what i was doing. Coming to the point,Did all the wiring according to that site;soldered all the wires and put the system back.Now heres where the problem started,the front speakers played super loud,the rear co-axials played much softer and the sub wasnt firing.What could have happened??.Note,the amp powers the rear and the sub. Chucked the wire(was some roadside crap anyways)and decided to start afresh with proper guidance and thats what this thread is for. help me! Navin uncle,please merge the other two similar threads into this one. Last edited by binz : 3rd January 2007 at 20:15.
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3rd January 2007, 22:32	#4
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,474 Times View My Garage	Are you sure you connected everything back properly without inverting any polarities? post some pics of your IP bus creation. I didnt make one myself but bought one and it works fine i can check with a multimeter how the channels are connected. and get back to you.
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3rd January 2007, 22:37	#5
sixthsense BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 115 Thanked: 185 Times	I think you took the advice from the thread i opened up awhile ago. I've not tried it myself yet as i was busy , but i'll try this weekend. I read on some forum that some pioneer units may have different IP-BUS pins for Audio out and ground, so you may need a multi meter to check if you are using the right pins in your IP-BUS interface. It can be something else though , i just happened to read this when i was searching for the IP-BUS hack.
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3rd January 2007, 23:28	#8
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	1. which thread do I merge. links would help. 2. as others have said please check that you have L+, R+, L- and R- correctly located. Then make sure all connections are tight and secure.
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3rd January 2007, 23:30	#9
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,474 Times View My Garage	Navinji, Is it possible to compile all these pio IP-bus doubts into one thread. this particular doubt seems to be all over the place. Here are the threads I have seen this been discussed: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...bus-cable.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...cd-player.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...ntains-hu.html binz, is this what you did? pioneer ip-bus connector edit: both the links look little different. the one i have posted is for the latest cd-rb10. there was an older pioneer IP bus which is not compatible with newer HU's. Last edited by Vid6639 : 3rd January 2007 at 23:36.
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3rd January 2007, 23:35	#10
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	pioneer ip-bus connector Same thing,but i did it exactly in this manner: Gutterslide.com - Pioneer IP-BUS Hack one more thing,where in bangy can i get this MX cable/wire.Please give me an exact shop name and location,close the cmh road. One more edit,could we please have tips on how to use a soldering iron accurately.All i get now is one big blob of that metal thingy(flux i think) Last edited by binz : 3rd January 2007 at 23:41.
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4th January 2007, 15:55	#12
clipto333 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: jalandhar Posts: 912 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	hi guys, just wanting to know if i ccan connetc multiple thing with my pio hu deh-p5650mp ip-bus...for eg 2 cd changers etc.
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4th January 2007, 21:10	#15
rsjaurr BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Batala Posts: 777 Thanked: 28 Times	Binz,unfortunately you took the DIY too far when these efforts should ideally be left to our experts even though it may turn out be a minor mistake. I am also looking for looking for a cable to connect portable music players to my HU but i would never open my HU myself just to find some alternate way to do it.
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