[nickoo]

Originally Posted by BHAGWAN

I do take a lot of road trips -
Have been to Leh & Spiti & Lahoul 2 times. All by car. So going through ND is sure - but I do not use these cars. They would not survive. I just MUV's / SUV's for this.

It may be easier for you to call on me if by chance you happen to be in Mumbai. It shall be nice to meet you. Thanks & you are most welcome for an audition..... I am serious;;

Sorry folks and mods i am going little off topic.
Bhagwan Ji, do let me know when you plan to do any of these routes again, i have myself done Leh(thrice) and Spiti (twice). I would love to meet you.cheers:
Planning to do Leh, next year on a cycle!!

[navin]

Originally Posted by arpandiv

'B' what is the trick for a front soundstage

Originally Posted by muneemmk

Bhagwanji what do u think i can do about it.

Originally Posted by BHAGWAN

You shall experiance & learn..

Originally Posted by nickoo

Bhagwan Ji, by any means if you ever plan to drive down to delhi We should also know what we are missing!!!

"Bhagwanji" has got himself a fan club

[nishantgandhi]

Originally Posted by BHAGWAN

As I mentioned earlier;

First experiance it. That way you will know what I am talking about.
Next step will follow only if you like it - please be ware that we are so 'conditioned' to bass from the back that a 'time aligned' allival of the full spectrum of the music is difficult to accept.

Therefore, I suggest - listen & only if you like, will we work towards it.

As I have heard all your cars, I have started to like the "Time Aligned" bass from your sub, which makes it sound as if its playing at the front.

However, is there an option to mimic the same sound effect WITHOUT the TA feature in the HU? IIRC, none of the basic-to-mid level Pioneer HUs come with TA

[navin]

Originally Posted by nickoo

Planning to do Leh, next year on a cycle!!

From delhi to leh on a cycle?

This is going to something the Travelogue section would love to hear about.

[redfire]

Originally Posted by paranoidAndroid

Are you sure that the front door OE is 6.5" rounds? The installer tried these but the size wasnt right so he put in 5.25".

100% sure. I have 6.5" speakers in all doors. Front components and rear co-axials. So is almost all Swift in Team-BHP too. Go through Swift Audio thread. Now, I would say the installer is not familiar with Swift. For your reference see the pic of my front comps. It is a JBL GTO607C 6.5" component.

[BHAGWAN]

I recommend to use 6.5" with a spacer - ring. It fits better & sure sounds better.
Just ensure that the ring & the driver are both fitted on very 'tightly' that is all !!
No air gap.

[navin]

Originally Posted by BHAGWAN

Just ensure that the ring & the driver are both fitted on very 'tightly' that is all !!

I find making the ring out of rubber sheet (19-25mm) allows for a better and more complete contact between the woofer basket and the ring and between the door and the ring.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by Glass

Interesting! Is this the reason the installers set the HU setting for rear speakers in sub-woofer mode - is this to fool the HU to think the rear co-axials are a sub-woofer?

Right said, @Glass. Simplistic thinking by the installers - they are cutting out the mids & highs to prove "full bass, sir"! Arrey bhole (installer bhai), even if one sets it to full range, the mids and highs of the content will play through those dinky little domes without robbing anything from the lows going to the main cone. What a waste of the relatively costly ovals.

The ovals are a compromise over conventional components and subs, better than round coaxes: some mids and highs without the specialist tweeter overhead, some bass - more than their round cousins- without needing a specialist sub. For the price, a sasta, sundar & tikau all rounder.

[navin]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

The ovals are a compromise over conventional components and subs- more than their round cousins- without needing a specialist sub.

Ovals were invented to squeeze maximum cone area into the narrow rear decks of the early american fun cars (cars made in the 50s and 60s like the Mustang, GTO, Corvette etc..). Stock sizes were 4x10, 5x7, 6x8, etc.. the front dash either had a single 4x6" (Chevelle, Monte Carlo etc..) or 4x8 or 4x10 (Mopar radio) or in later cars had a pair of 3.5", 4" fullrange (with Whizzer cones) or larger speakers (5.25" and 6" and some of the ovals like the 4x10) in the kick panel.

the reason for trying to get te largest cone area was that in those days speaker motor technology was not developed enough to produce speaker with big Xmax ("throw") so the way to produce good bass was to (a) have as much surface area (Sd) as possible and (b) limit HF response (note the abence of the whizzer cone in many dash speakers of that era) so that the bass was more pronounced.

Speaker manufacturers followed the 640,000 rule where if the product of the lowest sound and highest sound the speaker could reproduce was about 640,000 the speaker would sound balanced.

By that yardstick they proposed that a speaker with a bass capablity till 40Hz should not exceed 16khz at the top end. If bass was limied to 80hz then the top end should be limited to 8kHz.

Today however all that is passe. Rear decks are big enough to accomodate 8"+ speakers (the Swift being an exception). Speaker locations now include doors, pillars, roofs (yes roofs), kick panels, dash, underdash, and even under seat (Aura bass ahakers for example). The rules have changed, ovals are no longer a nesscary, still for a semblance of bass without a sub a 6x9 (same Sd as a 8" but with very different T/S specs) is your cheapest option.

[nishantgandhi]

Originally Posted by navin

Ovals were invented to squeeze maximum cone area into the narrow rear decks of the early american fun cars (cars made in the 50s and 60s like the Mustang, GTO, Corvette etc..). Stock sizes were 4x10, 5x7, 6x8, etc.. the front dash either had a single 4x6" (Chevelle, Monte Carlo etc..) or 4x8 or 4x10 (Mopar radio) or in later cars had a pair of 3.5", 4" fullrange (with Whizzer cones) or larger speakers (5.25" and 6" and some of the ovals like the 4x10) in the kick panel.

the reason for trying to get te largest cone area was that in those days speaker motor technology was not developed enough to produce speaker with big Xmax ("throw") so the way to produce good bass was to (a) have as much surface area (Sd) as possible and (b) limit HF response (note the abence of the whizzer cone in many dash speakers of that era) so that the bass was more pronounced.

Speaker manufacturers followed the 640,000 rule where if the product of the lowest sound and highest sound the speaker could reproduce was about 640,000 the speaker would sound balanced.

By that yardstick they proposed that a speaker with a bass capablity till 40Hz should not exceed 16khz at the top end. If bass was limied to 80hz then the top end should be limited to 8kHz.

Today however all that is passe. Rear decks are big enough to accomodate 8"+ speakers (the Swift being an exception). Speaker locations now include doors, pillars, roofs (yes roofs), kick panels, dash, underdash, and even under seat (Aura bass ahakers for example). The rules have changed, ovals are no longer a nesscary, still for a semblance of bass without a sub a 6x9 (same Sd as a 8" but with very different T/S specs) is your cheapest option.

This is perhaps the most logical and reasonable explanation to 6x9s that i have come across till date. Where were you hiding all this while Navinji?

[Magma]

Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

This is perhaps the most logical and reasonable explanation to 6x9s that i have come across till date. Where were you hiding all this while Navinji?

navinji has explained this (not in these exact words) many times before.
i remember at leaset 2 instances.
will try to find his posts

[navin]

Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

Where were you hiding all this while Navinji?

in my wife's pyjamas! LOL Just kidding where else can a married man hide?

[Ajaybiz]

Last time when i visited my installer(Anwar aka Autofusion) he also said if you are having proper woofer with dedicated mono amp then put components at rear as well no point in putting 6X9's, i have taken this as next upgrade as need to do damping on rear doors as well.
BTW nice start mate keep on upgrading.

[paranoidAndroid]

Uploading the pics onto the team-bhp servers.

[BHAGWAN]

I see you have not changed the speaker as yet;