When ICE mixes with water!!!

gunbir · 12th August 2008, 10:58

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Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

Yes, I am getting the Access Denied message (Mumbai Airtel Broadband)

Seems like Airtel has blocked the site.

greenhorn · 12th August 2008, 11:05

I can access .

Why not try a proxy ?

also, how exactly do these rubber cups screw up the sound ? I was looking for something similar made of foam for installing on my indica. Couldnt find out , so had to improvise with double sided tape...

rider60 · 12th August 2008, 12:43

gurus lets get back to the topic, i am not getting these rubber ones, i am eying the plastic cups available locally, and i really really want to know what will be the side effects of using these, thanks a ton in advance.

DerAlte · 12th August 2008, 16:12

Plastic cups 6" dia? Difficult to imagine.

Not having read the reviews, it is difficult to relate to the points of view one way or the other. But, for sure, many of the brickbats to these cups would not have a scientific basis, only irrational 'feel'. In the non-ideal listening environment of the car, most such logic would make much less sense than protecting your investment from water.

Go ahead, @rider. If you don't want to import them, you could fabricate an acceptable substitute out of closed-cell foam sheet and stick it behind the speaker.

n_aditya · 12th August 2008, 17:59

Pretty innovative title.

All I can say is, when ice mixes with water, add a big helping of vodka.

vrrraju · 12th August 2008, 18:49

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Originally Posted by DerAlte

Those are not scales, that is just the residue when the condensate evaporated once again. Yes, the chemicals come in with the atmospheric water vapor.

As the others suggested, do get the door and window seals checked. This amount of condensation can only come if the cabin was way below ambient and there is possibility of vapor ingress, either via doors/windows or via AC air intake (if the flap is on fresh air).

Most likely there is a gap at the top of the front windows / doors, possibly by misalignment. Was the condensation uniform within the car or only on the front doors?

PS: Yup, those cups should help protect the speakers.

Hi Rider,

I don't agree with Deralte on the first points as you know that the ambient temperature during this rainly season is very close to 22-23 degress and in such temperatures I don't expect that kind of condensation until you have driven under high humidity conditions.

I agree with other as indicated that their could be mis alignment in the windows. This happened to me when I saw the water was getting through the gap between window and the beeding. I saw that my glass has little mis aligned with the door. I think only the beeding can be adjusted.

In my case the suffer was tweeter which was placed exactly in the flow direction. Anyhow I upgraded to GTO 608c yesterday, so no casualties as such.

Just check, may be the automatic roll up of windows may not be closing the window upto the mark(inside the beeding).

All the best.

navin · 12th August 2008, 22:59

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

Beware. I looked at them before installing my speakers, and noticed that Crutchfield has really negative user reviews for those rubber cups. Apparently they really screw up the sound.

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They do limit the low bass but if you have a sub this is not an issue.

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Originally Posted by gunbir

OT: Seems like Crutchfield has blocked traffic from India. Is anyone being able to get through to their site?

I can see their site.

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Originally Posted by DerAlte

Go ahead, @rider. If you don't want to import them, you could fabricate an acceptable substitute out of closed-cell foam sheet and stick it behind the speaker.

XTC seems to last longer than the foam I have tried. but foam is cheap and easily available so you can change it every couple of years or so.

rider60 · 15th August 2008, 20:36

hey here are the updates i think i found out where the water is seeping in from!

here are the pics that will explain that part! now do i really have to change all of the door rubber beading on all 4 door to prevent the door pad scales in the future or is there something that can really be done and HOW MANY have faced this? its not the power windows mis-aligning the door window glasses for sure! please let the ideas flow generously!

and i last time i was at EVO satya's shop i had bought a couple of cups from him, i found them yesterday i will soon post the pics after i clean them and will tell you how i intend to install them.

also i was pleasantly SURPRISED to find this and i was like

for a second!!!
maruthi the kanjoos makhi choose guys give this as a standard thing on even a ldi, i mean its not much but i am totally sure if they dint provide this the doors would be even horrible with ICE! yes my friends its the OEM DAMPING SHEET PAD! AND the CREAM on the WIP is they have a expiry date HOWs that? is that expiry date for the adhesive of these pads or something?

now i want leads and info on the same is this available at the maruthi spares and at what price?

rider60 · 15th August 2008, 22:44

dint explain this properly earlier, the water piping test revealed that the water was seeping in through the rubber beading into the car this ruined my door pads for sure.

now the water is also going into the car through the outer window beading and badly too this was the reason for the ICE water mix up and this messed up my speaker, i think this mis alignment car be dealt with.

but how do i deal with the water seeping in through the door beadings? it was the same thing i meant but did not pen down clearly, the reason for speaker drench was the outer glass beading but the inner door pads were drenched because of the door beading problem.

guys please help me out with this, can the MASS help here?

DerAlte · 16th August 2008, 00:16

MASS SHOULD help set it right, since the beading misalignment is letting water in. But how come you didn't face this problem when you were driving it in heavy rains? The same should have happened then too.

rider60 · 16th August 2008, 02:03

this car currently runs on stock tyres so i dont dare take it out on highways a strict city car and in city you know we rather stay home than get stuck in traffic hence i never faced this, and by the way the car is 8months old with 4300kms on the odo so i think you get the picture deralte, my viva is my highway car.

i need to wait a few more months before the vitamin M is recharged for the shoe upgrade!

EDIT:forgot to add i dont have a closed garage so i park it in the open front yard, and the recent heavy pour of rain has revealed, hhmmm rather ruined things for me

deralte which beading are you talking about? if its the window's beading then i can do that at home while refixing the glass, but the door beading is really the one bothering me a lot i dont think i really fix it up or get it fixed.

would getting new beading from maruthi help? i seriously doubt that part as it can go back to the state of the current beading and quite frankly i dont expect the spares to be available off the shelf even now for the swift. its too annoying.

can someone please find me a solution for all this? please please?

kuttapan · 16th August 2008, 12:23

The windows always get some water inside the door, I don't think 100% seal is possible there. Anyway, rolling the windows up and down when they are wet will cause some wate to go into the door. I believe there is a drain hole inside the door, at the bottom.

If your door beading is leaking, just complain to your Maruti A.S.S. Usually realigning the door should solve the problem, if not get the beadings replaced under warrantly. Write to Maruti if the A.S.S refuses to play ball.

Regarding what you called the scale issue, I have a feeling your aftermarket fitments have some role to play in it, not so sure though.

DerAlte · 16th August 2008, 12:24

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Originally Posted by rider60

this car currently runs on stock tyres so i dont dare take it out on highways a strict city car and in city you know we rather stay home than get stuck in traffic ...
which beading are you talking about? if its the window's beading then i can do that at home while refixing the glass, but the door beading is really the one bothering me a lot i dont think i really fix it up or get it fixed.

would getting new beading from maruthi help? i seriously doubt that part as it can go back to the state of the current beading and quite frankly i dont expect the spares to be available off the shelf even now for the swift. its too annoying.

can someone please find me a solution for all this? please please?

@rider60, you should really consider changing your handle to either @onlywatcheshiscar60 or @doesnotride'er60 or something like that! Sorry, couldn't resist that. Millions of Indians ride on the Indian highways on stock tyres, man. Are they doing something wrong, you think? Go out, don't give excuses to yourself. Ride responsibly, and the stock tyres will serve you well without putting your life in danger.

The beading which lines the lip of the door opening (hard, black or grey) is not touching the beading lining the inside edge of the door (soft, usually grey). The service guys usually take a rubber mallet and beat the lip / edge of the door opening into submission till it touches properly everywhere. The detection modus operandi is similar to your hose technique, except that they use high pressure.

No, one doesn't need to replace the beadings for the first 10 years at least.

rider60 · 17th August 2008, 01:08

deralte i will explain the reason for me strictly avoiding the highway later you will seriously take a back seat to read it then i assure you that.

as for the problem at hand, repairing the beading like that will make it go back to normal in another 2-3 months time, thats really useless i dont want to remove the pads again and wash them all over again at all.

for the same i think i will do something like this,i will cut stripes of this rubber piece and stick them behind the rubber beadings 1-2 layers of this rubber depending on the requirement should not lead to any door misalignment problems. the rubber tube is like 1-1.5 mm thick so i guess no worries say what?

DerAlte · 17th August 2008, 16:19

No, no, @rider60, it does not go back like that. Unfortunately the car manufacturers don't do a water dunk test before delivering, so sealing problems are not detected before the customer takes delivery. Only a few cars have this problem, and is quickly corrected by the service guys. Once the thing is set, it will stay like that always.

Putting the rubber strip behind the beading will aggravate the issue.

12th August 2008, 11:05	#17
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,402 Times View My Garage	I can access . Why not try a proxy ? also, how exactly do these rubber cups screw up the sound ? I was looking for something similar made of foam for installing on my indica. Couldnt find out , so had to improvise with double sided tape... Last edited by greenhorn : 12th August 2008 at 11:20.
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12th August 2008, 12:43	#18
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	gurus lets get back to the topic, i am not getting these rubber ones, i am eying the plastic cups available locally, and i really really want to know what will be the side effects of using these, thanks a ton in advance.
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12th August 2008, 16:12	#19
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	Plastic cups 6" dia? Difficult to imagine. Not having read the reviews, it is difficult to relate to the points of view one way or the other. But, for sure, many of the brickbats to these cups would not have a scientific basis, only irrational 'feel'. In the non-ideal listening environment of the car, most such logic would make much less sense than protecting your investment from water. Go ahead, @rider. If you don't want to import them, you could fabricate an acceptable substitute out of closed-cell foam sheet and stick it behind the speaker.
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12th August 2008, 17:59	#20
n_aditya Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Namma Bengaluru Posts: 5,348 Thanked: 3,684 Times View My Garage	Pretty innovative title. All I can say is, when ice mixes with water, add a big helping of vodka.
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15th August 2008, 20:36	#23
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	hey here are the updates i think i found out where the water is seeping in from! here are the pics that will explain that part! now do i really have to change all of the door rubber beading on all 4 door to prevent the door pad scales in the future or is there something that can really be done and HOW MANY have faced this? its not the power windows mis-aligning the door window glasses for sure! please let the ideas flow generously! and i last time i was at EVO satya's shop i had bought a couple of cups from him, i found them yesterday i will soon post the pics after i clean them and will tell you how i intend to install them. also i was pleasantly SURPRISED to find this and i was like for a second!!! maruthi the kanjoos makhi choose guys give this as a standard thing on even a ldi, i mean its not much but i am totally sure if they dint provide this the doors would be even horrible with ICE! yes my friends its the OEM DAMPING SHEET PAD! AND the CREAM on the WIP is they have a expiry date HOWs that? is that expiry date for the adhesive of these pads or something? now i want leads and info on the same is this available at the maruthi spares and at what price? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by rider60 : 15th August 2008 at 20:42.
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15th August 2008, 22:44	#24
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	dint explain this properly earlier, the water piping test revealed that the water was seeping in through the rubber beading into the car this ruined my door pads for sure. now the water is also going into the car through the outer window beading and badly too this was the reason for the ICE water mix up and this messed up my speaker, i think this mis alignment car be dealt with. but how do i deal with the water seeping in through the door beadings? it was the same thing i meant but did not pen down clearly, the reason for speaker drench was the outer glass beading but the inner door pads were drenched because of the door beading problem. guys please help me out with this, can the MASS help here?
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16th August 2008, 00:16	#25
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	MASS SHOULD help set it right, since the beading misalignment is letting water in. But how come you didn't face this problem when you were driving it in heavy rains? The same should have happened then too.
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16th August 2008, 02:03	#26
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	this car currently runs on stock tyres so i dont dare take it out on highways a strict city car and in city you know we rather stay home than get stuck in traffic hence i never faced this, and by the way the car is 8months old with 4300kms on the odo so i think you get the picture deralte, my viva is my highway car. i need to wait a few more months before the vitamin M is recharged for the shoe upgrade! EDIT:forgot to add i dont have a closed garage so i park it in the open front yard, and the recent heavy pour of rain has revealed, hhmmm rather ruined things for me deralte which beading are you talking about? if its the window's beading then i can do that at home while refixing the glass, but the door beading is really the one bothering me a lot i dont think i really fix it up or get it fixed. would getting new beading from maruthi help? i seriously doubt that part as it can go back to the state of the current beading and quite frankly i dont expect the spares to be available off the shelf even now for the swift. its too annoying. can someone please find me a solution for all this? please please? Last edited by rider60 : 16th August 2008 at 02:15.
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16th August 2008, 12:23	#27
kuttapan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,155 Thanked: 22 Times View My Garage	The windows always get some water inside the door, I don't think 100% seal is possible there. Anyway, rolling the windows up and down when they are wet will cause some wate to go into the door. I believe there is a drain hole inside the door, at the bottom. If your door beading is leaking, just complain to your Maruti A.S.S. Usually realigning the door should solve the problem, if not get the beadings replaced under warrantly. Write to Maruti if the A.S.S refuses to play ball. Regarding what you called the scale issue, I have a feeling your aftermarket fitments have some role to play in it, not so sure though. Last edited by kuttapan : 16th August 2008 at 12:24.
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17th August 2008, 01:08	#29
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	deralte i will explain the reason for me strictly avoiding the highway later you will seriously take a back seat to read it then i assure you that. as for the problem at hand, repairing the beading like that will make it go back to normal in another 2-3 months time, thats really useless i dont want to remove the pads again and wash them all over again at all. for the same i think i will do something like this,i will cut stripes of this rubber piece and stick them behind the rubber beadings 1-2 layers of this rubber depending on the requirement should not lead to any door misalignment problems. the rubber tube is like 1-1.5 mm thick so i guess no worries say what? Attached Thumbnails
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17th August 2008, 16:19	#30
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	No, no, @rider60, it does not go back like that. Unfortunately the car manufacturers don't do a water dunk test before delivering, so sealing problems are not detected before the customer takes delivery. Only a few cars have this problem, and is quickly corrected by the service guys. Once the thing is set, it will stay like that always. Putting the rubber strip behind the beading will aggravate the issue.
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