Answering now since I got busy with some work. I answer all questions assuming a lot of things. Of course, I may be wrong, please feel free to correct me. And I repeat, even as a pilot, I cannot and will not judge the crew's actions sitting in the comfort of my home. I am just outlining a set of possibilities that may or may not have happened.
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Originally Posted by audioholic Oh well, that looks like the first hull loss for emirates? Or is it not? Quite shocking considering they had a good safety record all the while.? |
Yes, their first hull loss in 31 years of operation. And with no fatalities.
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Originally Posted by audioholic Touching down without gear is something totally amiss here. Even if they were going around, shouldn't they have retracted it later? |
No way that aircraft was going to touch down without gear. If Flaps 25/30 are selected without the landing gear down and locked, then a loud gear configuration warning sounds. Also, the electronic checklist will not be complete & there will be EICAS warning as well. The only way a 777 lands without the gear down is if we want it to.
So let's get one thing out of the way. If the aircraft was coming in to land(and it was), then the gear was down and locked. Unless the crew made an error, or a series of unfortunate events occurred which led to the warning not being generated even when the gear wasn't down or wasn't locked.
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Originally Posted by coolboy007 The standard procedure is that as soon as a "Go around" call is given by pilot flying, he gives TOGA (take off- go around thrust), pilot non flying says "positive climb" after confirming that a/c is gaining altitude, pilot flying double checks to confirm it indeed is a positive climb and then only calls "gear up", the aircraft gains a lot of altitude during this period unless the go around was being done at a ridiculously low altitude.
TOGA thrust has immense power but these huge turbo fans do need a few seconds to fully spool up from near idle thrust during landing, it is impossible that the experienced crew put the gear up without even confirming a positive climb rate unless some weather phenomenon like wind shear brought that aircraft down.. |
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Originally Posted by airforce1 I believe wind shear was prevailing at the time of crash. OMDB metar 030900z 11021kt 3000 BLDU NSC 49/07 QNH 0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015 kt1500 DU. That is weather Dubai winds are from 110 degrees direction at 21 knots with visibility of 3 km blowing dust. No significant cloud was reported and temperatures of 49 degrees. |
Now coming to the windshear part. First off, there are two systems which provide windshear warning, the PWS(Predictive Warning System) and the GPWS Windshear warning system. The Predictive Windshear System (PWS) is part of the weather radar system. It augments the GPWS windshear detection system. The PWS uses radar imaging to detect disturbed air prior to entering a windshear. Aural and visual alerts warn the crew of windshear.
The GPWS detects a windshear condition using inputs from aircraft systems including angle of attack (AOA), ADIRU, and Air Data Modules.The GPWS provides the aural and visual alerting signals for windshear conditions. The aural warning consists of a two-tone siren followed by the words “WINDSHEAR, WINDSHEAR, WINDSHEAR.” The GPWS windshear warning is the highest level, followed by terrain warnings, predictive windshear, and TCAS.
Now it appears that the crew initiated a go-around at the last moment, according to the ATC recordings. This fact seems indisputable. So we are left with two possibilities:
- a go-around due to windshear
- a go-around due to any other reason
The above two possibilities have different procedures. In a normal go around, the procedure is to call GO-AROUND, press TO/GA or advance throttles and then set FLAPS 20. Power is re-checked and then gear is retracted after establishing a positive rate of climb. But in a windshear GA, or a WS Recovery maneuver, the procedure is slightly different. No configuration changes are permitted until the aircraft is clear of terrain and all parameters are normal.
Quoting directly from my FCOM
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Windshear Escape Maneuver(Or Go-around due to windshear)
• Press either TO/GA switch
• Verify TO/GA mode annunciation
• Verify thrust advances to GA power
• Retract speedbrakes
• Monitor system performance
• Do not change gear or flap configuration until windshear is no longer a factor
• Monitor vertical speed and altitude
• Do not attempt to regain lost airspeed until windshear is no longer a factor With the first push of either TO/GA switch:
• the PFDs display roll and pitch guidance to fly the go–around
• the autothrottle activates in thrust (THR) mode for a 2,000 FPM climb
• the AFDS increases pitch to hold the selected speed as thrust increases
• if current airspeed remains above the target speed for 5 seconds, the target airspeed is reset to current airspeed, (to a maximum of the IAS/MACH
window speed plus 25 knots). With the second push of either TO/GA switch:
• the autothrottle activates in the thrust reference (THR REF) mode for full go–around thrust.
• Maximum thrust can be obtained by advancing the thrust levers full forward if the EECs are in the normal mode. If terrain contact Is imminent, advance thrust levers full forward.
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So if a GA was conducted, was it a normal GA or WS recovery? I say normal GA. How do I conclude this? Look at this photo.
The flaps are set at 20. And we also know that the aircraft landed on its belly. So the gear was either retracted or collapsed on impact. If the GA was a WS recovery procedure, the flaps configuration would have remained at 25/30 and the gear would never have been pulled up. So we conclude on the basis of these two factors that it was probably a normal GA.
Now the question I ask myself is, if it was indeed a normal GA, why did the 777 not climb properly, with both engines operative? For this, I feel that there is only one plausible explanation. The temperature was 49 degrees, resulting in a very high pressure and density altitude.
The crew pushed the TOGA once, resulting in the thrust levers advancing to THR, and not THR REF. The aircraft started to climb, with a nose high attitude, but due to extremely low air-speed because of the engine spool up time, wasn't able to generate enough lift and landed on its belly.
Or this could simply be a case of the go-around call being too late, pulling the nose up too quickly before the engines can spool up. The PF pushed the thrust levers full forward. But because they had some margin to stall speed, they begin to climb while bleeding their excess airspeed so the PF calls positive rate and PNF puts the gear up. Again, due to lack of airspeed and thrust, the aircraft falls flat on its belly.
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Irrespective of what may have happened, hats off to the crew which handled a situation like this perfectly, without a single loss of life. It is indeed almost miraculous, and reinforces the very good survivability track record of the 777. It fell out of the sky from 100 feet and everyone survived, God bless the engineers and designers of this aircraft. Feel very safe and happy to fly a 777. Every airline should get a couple of these.