The Heavy Trucks thread

agspins · 3rd January 2012, 23:24

Came across Construck riding a Prima...

Leymama · 5th January 2012, 11:09

Mercedes-Benz has just revealed few teasers of a new truck, which will be produced under the new brand BharatBenz. With this brand Mercedes-Benz plans to enter medium and heavy duty commercial truck market in India, where these trucks will be produced. The BharatBenz trucks will meet environmental standards BS III, operating in India (similar to Euro III), and the lineup will include models with capacities from 6 to 49 tons. The plant’s initial production capacity will be 36,000 units per year and can be ramped up to 70,000 units per year. The truck, which we can see on the pictures, is based on the chassis of Mercedes-Benz Axor. I’m sure that It will be the first model of the company.

Courtesy:
First shoots of Indian trucks BharatBenz

prmd_cochin · 5th January 2012, 16:26

The new Ultra series trucks launched by TATA Motors. Images taken from their press release.

amtak · 5th January 2012, 16:44

^^ are these from Korea? I mean, Tata's Korean ownership of Daewoo?

gschandra · 5th January 2012, 22:08

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Originally Posted by amtak

^^ are these from Korea? I mean, Tata's Korean ownership of Daewoo?

No these are designed and developed in India only.

Recently the bus version on the same platform "STARBUS ULTRA" was launched.

gschandra · 5th January 2012, 22:41

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Originally Posted by gschandra

No these are designed and developed in India only.

Recently the bus version on the same platform "STARBUS ULTRA" was launched.

You can find the specs, pics and more info about these vehicles at:

Tata Motors : Investors : Credit Ratings

nbr · 7th January 2012, 18:49

Ashok Leyland today introduced India’s first 37-tonne haulage truck with the highest payload of up to 27 tonnes. The U-3723 H is built on the contemporary and future-ready U-Truck platform.

The U-3723 H has five axles - twin steerable front axles, two rear axles and a self-steerable pusher lift axle at the middle that enables the vehicle to carry more loads. One interesting bit is that the auto-lift axle can sense if the vehicle is not carrying any load and will lift the axle which helps in saving fuel. The U-3723 H has a ‘H’ series engine which produces 225PS and is mated to a 9-speed gearbox.

Source: Overdrive.in

amit V8 · 8th January 2012, 00:33

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Originally Posted by nbr

One interesting bit is that the auto-lift axle can sense if the vehicle is not carrying any load and will lift the axle which helps in saving fuel.

This happens to the TATA 3118 too. What is the difference then? Is the mechanism automatic in the AL?

Sheel · 8th January 2012, 09:00

One of my acquaintances wishes to open AMW dealership at my place. Can someone say as to how good/bad they are?

The Mahindra Navistar is almost flop at my place. Tata rules & AL is coming up with a dealership as well. The investment required is approx ~4Cr.

DWind · 9th January 2012, 12:20

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Originally Posted by amit V8

This happens to the TATA 3118 too. What is the difference then? Is the mechanism automatic in the AL?

I remember the axle in 3118 was
1. was not steerable. Hence there was a lever for the driver to lift it when reversing
2. was load sensing only when the payload exceeds certain tonnes (not sure)

Ashley2 · 10th January 2012, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Sheel

One of my acquaintances wishes to open AMW dealership at my place. Can someone say as to how good/bad they are?

The Mahindra Navistar is almost flop at my place. Tata rules & AL is coming up with a dealership as well. The investment required is approx ~4Cr.

If you have gone to the extent of enquiring about the dealership then you should have known about the background?

AMW as a whole is a big assemble shop with none of the aggregates made by them. Basically AMW does what TM and AL does after a lot of R&D and product testing and then using that clue AMW comes with products.
Its a company with no major values / DNA or heritage.

They source the cab completely from china and this image shows to the extent of chinese copy - A Volvo globetrotter clone which was used in AMW's in Auto expo.

The Heavy Trucks thread-p070112_15.35.jpg

They are almost washed away in the heavy tractor segment which they came with initially. The initial fame is now completely gone and TM and AL has pushed it away and regained market share.

The segment where they are going good is Multi axle tippers. But not sure when they will topple.

I cannot comment on the decision of go or no go but its a worth wait before investing for AMW until otherwise you have lots of money.

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Originally Posted by amit V8

This happens to the TATA 3118 too. What is the difference then? Is the mechanism automatic in the AL?

This mechanism is automatic and will lift up the axle if the GVW is less than 31T.

Sheel · 11th January 2012, 08:41

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Originally Posted by Ashley2

this image shows to the extent of chinese copy - A Volvo globetrotter clone which was used in AMW's in Auto expo.

Is this picture from our Expo?

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They are almost washed away in the heavy tractor segment which they came with initially. The initial fame is now completely gone and TM and AL has pushed it away and regained market share.

In the heavy carrier segment, all I see is Volvo. The 10 wheeler & 12 wheeler trucks is where TM rules here. AL lags behind because of the lack of dealership.

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The segment where they are going good is Multi axle tippers. But not sure when they will topple.

Now that you say this, I start noticing it. Its all tippers.

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I cannot comment on the decision of go or no go but its a worth wait before investing for AMW until otherwise you have lots of money.

I myself am apprehensive now. Felt a bit good after reading this http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/commer...ml#post2302369 but am going to discuss this.

Thanks a ton

Shall bug again if I need further clarifications.

Mr.Boss · 11th January 2012, 09:05

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Originally Posted by Sheel

One of my acquaintances wishes to open AMW dealership at my place. Can someone say as to how good/bad they are?

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Originally Posted by Ashley2

AMW as a whole is a big assemble shop with none of the aggregates made by them.
So? Make / Buy decision depends on the volume. I bet many improvements suggested by AMW is on aggregate improved the performance & quality and the same is supplied to other OEMs
Basically AMW does what TM and AL does after a lot of R&D and product testing and then using that clue AMW comes with products.
Doesn't TM / AL copy technologies from others? Even if AMW copies from others, their product performs well and ONLY hence they rule in Tipper segment.
Its a company with no major values / DNA or heritage.
Disagree
They source the cab completely from china
Whats wrong in that? Chinese have their hands raised in every field now, right from electronics to automobiles.

Dear, his question is on dealership and not on the technology / R&D. Either they copy from others / design by own, profit at dealership matters rather than the technology (I agree the sales figures are less compared to TML & AL, but not declining) I'm not supporting AMW, there are some negatives but who on earth doesn't have?

Ashley2 · 11th January 2012, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Sheel

Is this picture from our Expo?

This is from Auto Expo only.
One more for you. 2523 Hardox Scow body tipper

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Originally Posted by Sheel

In the heavy carrier segment, all I see is Volvo. The 10 wheeler & 12 wheeler trucks is where TM rules here. AL lags behind because of the lack of dealership.

I meant heavy as 49T tractors where TM and AL are present and not the Volvo

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Originally Posted by Ashley2

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I cannot comment on the decision of go or no go but its a worth wait before investing for AMW until otherwise you have lots of money.

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Originally Posted by Sheel

Thanks a ton

Shall bug again if I need further clarifications.

Waiting with Pleasure!!
But as I have hinted the partnership of AMW with Paccar and if it materializes then the combo can be better.

Because globally Paccar is the only big group away from India and I am sure they wanted to enter India.

@ Mr.Boss - regret for my quotes.

D33-PAC · 12th January 2012, 01:16

Is this a joke? The AMW above is an obvious copy of Volvo's flagship dump truck.

Can the Chinese make anything that's original? What's the competitive advantage here? Certainly technology isn't. Do they even do R&D or is everything sourced from European corporations via intellectual property theft.

So is AMW India a Chinese franchise or is it Indian and only the cabs or sourced from China?

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5th January 2012, 11:09	#842
Leymama BHPian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Deutschland Posts: 71 Thanked: 74 Times	First shoots of Indian trucks BharatBenz Mercedes-Benz has just revealed few teasers of a new truck, which will be produced under the new brand BharatBenz. With this brand Mercedes-Benz plans to enter medium and heavy duty commercial truck market in India, where these trucks will be produced. The BharatBenz trucks will meet environmental standards BS III, operating in India (similar to Euro III), and the lineup will include models with capacities from 6 to 49 tons. The plant’s initial production capacity will be 36,000 units per year and can be ramped up to 70,000 units per year. The truck, which we can see on the pictures, is based on the chassis of Mercedes-Benz Axor. I’m sure that It will be the first model of the company. Courtesy: First shoots of Indian trucks BharatBenz
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amtak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai - The city of Sea Link!!! Posts: 2,983 Thanked: 1,108 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread ^^ are these from Korea? I mean, Tata's Korean ownership of Daewoo?
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7th January 2012, 18:49	#847
nbr BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MANGALORE/BALEHONNUR/DUBAI Posts: 438 Thanked: 47 Times View My Garage	Ashok Leyland unveils India’s first 37-tonne haulage truck Ashok Leyland today introduced India’s first 37-tonne haulage truck with the highest payload of up to 27 tonnes. The U-3723 H is built on the contemporary and future-ready U-Truck platform. The U-3723 H has five axles - twin steerable front axles, two rear axles and a self-steerable pusher lift axle at the middle that enables the vehicle to carry more loads. One interesting bit is that the auto-lift axle can sense if the vehicle is not carrying any load and will lift the axle which helps in saving fuel. The U-3723 H has a ‘H’ series engine which produces 225PS and is mated to a 9-speed gearbox. Source: Overdrive.in Attached Thumbnails
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8th January 2012, 09:00	#849
Sheel Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Purnea (Bihar) Posts: 10,002 Thanked: 15,137 Times View My Garage	Re: Ashok Leyland unveils India’s first 37-tonne haulage truck One of my acquaintances wishes to open AMW dealership at my place. Can someone say as to how good/bad they are? The Mahindra Navistar is almost flop at my place. Tata rules & AL is coming up with a dealership as well. The investment required is approx ~4Cr.
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12th January 2012, 01:16	#855
D33-PAC BANNED Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 911 Thanked: 1,557 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread Is this a joke? The AMW above is an obvious copy of Volvo's flagship dump truck. Can the Chinese make anything that's original? What's the competitive advantage here? Certainly technology isn't. Do they even do R&D or is everything sourced from European corporations via intellectual property theft. So is AMW India a Chinese franchise or is it Indian and only the cabs or sourced from China?
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