Team-BHP - Tata vs Ashok Leyland: CV & HCV only

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Originally Posted by greenhorn (Post 1912053)

I was told an interesting bit of information. TVS has AL dealerships all across TN. Irizar TVS builds AL bodies, yet TVS logistics has a Tata fleet. Is this true?

I have seen them in plying. They have mix of many brands.
To brings more focus in this - TVS may be a common brand used but the one who is having dealership M/s. TV SUndaram Iyengar and sons hav nothing to do with TVS parcel service which we are talking.

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Originally Posted by hvkumar (Post 1911182)

....... maybe he can also tell us why the Army is foolish to buy mostly AL Stallions, ...

Till date there are more than 56000 Stallions been sold to Indian Army.
I was told this is the single largest fleet of any brand in any army.

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Originally Posted by hvkumar (Post 1911220)

.....and in categories like double decker buses (however small the segment may be), AL is a monopoly even today.

Not only in double decker but also in Vestibule buses.

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Originally Posted by hvkumar (Post 1911220)

...... we have gleaned lots of interesting facts and titbits about these 2 wonderful Indian companies who stand up to MNC might even in today's "liberal economy" times.......

Yes I would like to strongly agree with you...
We speak so much about Volvo's and MB's, but these two great Companies are in our every motion and wish they sustain in days to come.
More over I wish the CV market should be as Indian as possible unlike car industry.

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Originally Posted by Ashley2 (Post 1912179)

Not only in double decker but also in Vestibule buses.

Yes I would like to strongly agree with you...
We speak so much about Volvo's and MB's, but these two great Companies are in our every motion and wish they sustain in days to come.
More over I wish the CV market should be as Indian as possible unlike car industry.

agree: dear ashley , the cv market should be totally indian . if indian manufacturers cant produce quality vehicles then make them produce that by either strict laws or by providing them with good tax scemes so that they will produce it with reletively lower costs . these overseas products are highly overpriced for their capacities.

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Originally Posted by Ashley2 (Post 1911708)

You have just peeped into this thread and concluding things with out any facts. And with a post you have made so many people fools as if they knows nothing about the trucks and buses.

I peeped out also with an apology, did you manage to read it? NO, you were looking for an argument just to pass your weekend..

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May be our friend Ranjan Sharma has got his Santro in this manner

Dude, better don't get personal. Whichever way I bought my Santro should not bother you.

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We are still waiting to see the “detailed info from him”:thumbs up

I will surely get that and then see you come over to comment on it!!

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THIS POINT IS HIGHLY OBJECTIONABLE AND AT NO MEANS YOU CANNOT COVER THEM WITH THE WORDS JAPANESE, GERMANS.AND YOU WANT US TO TRUST YOU...:Frustrati
The contextual meaning here does not sound what you say.
Mods are you watchin???

I don't want you to trust me, please. You have your own imagination, use it as you want. I just gave the clarification and I know not all 'Smart' ones will agree. They will look on to an argument by making something an issue..

Mods are surely seeing, and I guess they are sensible enough to understand what I meant.

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Its just a collective opinion and sharing of things with not just perception but from true real life experience duly supported by facts and stats.

That's what I agreed at and apologized before left, but few people are so damn reluctant to ready to fight over anything and everything (Only Online off-course).

It is all Offtopic, and I do not want to continue on this stupid argument, rather I spend some time reading through the DIY thread :)

Guys, lets stop this argument & turn it into a healthy debate. as someone said above, amidst the argument, the main purpose of this thread has dissolved. so let ranjan come up with proper facts & then we may comment.

@ ranjan: no offence dude & i am not getting personal, but your comments, your way of addressing, the tone of your posts, etc are not pleasing. also, some statements you made were totally blatant & baseless. i think thats the reason many, including me, have ended up in an argument with you. by the way, whats with that 'banned monkey' display pic?!!

EDIT: by the way, can we bring Eicher in picture too? i am seeing a lot of eicher buses in mumbai these days probably due to the fact that a call centre near my house has a contract with a bus operator named 'Sai Service'. they have around 20-25 buses in our area & all are eicher.

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Originally Posted by raj_5004 (Post 1912334)

also, some statements you made were totally blatant & baseless.

Yes I am getting the sales report+the equipment designs of TATA motors trucks and will post that in few days to end up the blatantness of the comments.

Also, would someone let me know whether this discussion is only about the quality of trucks or quantity also? BTW, I never saw anyone discussing about the "World trucks" manufactured by TATA.

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Originally Posted by condor (Post 1912320)

Also due to the wider range of their LCV models : the 207 series, the 407's & 407 pickup range, apart from the Ace. I am not including the 407 Turbo or 609 & larger vehicles.

please check out the eicher 11.10 and 10.95 sales fig.s also . it might surprise you . the way these vehicles are moving out of salesrooms are substantial. they are proving to be a tough match for tata's 1109.

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Originally Posted by raj_5004 (Post 1912334)

agree: @raj: You stole my words

@ranjan: Maybe i'm wrong or maybe it's just me, but i find your posts teeming with emotion rather than relevant facts. Would like to see it the other way.

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Originally Posted by raj_5004 (Post 1912334)

by the way, can we bring Eicher in picture too?

I would like to see that too. I see a lot of contract carriage companies (those ferrying employees of many IT firms along the OMR) using Eicher buses here in Chennai. Of late, I'm seeing Parveen travels and a few handful of private operators using Eicher buses for Intercity operations too. It would definitely make sense in including Eicher too. But please keep off Volvo even though Eicher is now a subsidiary (I think I used the right word) of Volvo, because I find Volvo as a premium (pricey) brand as of now

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Originally Posted by Ashley2 (Post 1912179)

We speak so much about Volvo's and MB's, but these two great Companies are in our every motion and wish they sustain in days to come.
More over I wish the CV market should be as Indian as possible unlike car industry.

Guys I have told these two companies as Ashok Leyland and Tata Motors and not Volvo and MB.please:

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Originally Posted by condor (Post 1912320)

Also due to the wider range of their LCV models : the 207 series, the 407's & 407 pickup range, apart from the Ace. I am not including the 407 Turbo or 609 & larger vehicles.

True condor. But the 207 and 407 segment has lot of competition (Mahindra & Eicher resp) which is doing fairly well unlike competition in Ace segment.

Guys,
Superiority or dominance of a commercial vehicle manufacturer comes from how strong and old is the dealer network there. TATA's have price and brand advantage. People swear by thier Cummins engine where as Hino doesnt have that brand equity. Believe me its all about how aggresive the company is in its sales strategy. Commercial vehicle is a segment where the loyalties are hard to break as earnings are directly linked ot it.
North India is strong point of TATA's specially jammu and kashmir. Ashok leyland is slowly inching its way forward. Things would be interesting with Mahindra joining the race and slowly GM getting into it.

I dont see TATA's share under risk for long time to come