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Originally Posted by it_inspector
(Post 1610227)
I respectfully disagree. Using a D200 with a consumer grade lens is pure stupidity. Secondly since Sigma has quality issues with FRONT-BACK focusing issues and if your friend is using a D200, he should know better. Even if he decides to use a consumer grade lens, he should be able to adjust the lens focusing in the camera menu. Its like buying a Nikon D3X and using Nikon 50mm f1.8 on it and that too with Auto Focus, its simply going to not work out. Nikkor/Nikon alternative costs almost 2-3 times Sigma alternative. For a budget user its a clear choice. |
Its like buying a Nikon D3X and using Nikon 50mm f1.8 on it and that too with Auto Focus, its simply going to not work out. |
Most important word EXPERIENCED PHOTOGRAPHER. And definately expensive glass doesn't make a good photographer. Cheers |
Nikkor/Nikon alternative costs almost 2-3 times Sigma alternative. For a budget user its a clear choice. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610341)
But an expensive glass when used by an EXPERIENCED PHOTOGRAPHER does make even better photograph than using a cheap glass by the same guy and for the same subject at the same FL and same setting. This is a hard fact for any Experienced or non-Experienced photographer that glass quality DOES matter. There's no magic. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610341)
Its better to wait than compromise. The proprietory lens are expensive but not all expense goes to brand premium. My Tamron 90mm Macro performs as good as Nikkor 105mm macro BUT only till f/8. Beyond f/8 there is a clear difference in sharpness between the lenses. So the price diff is justifiable. |
Originally Posted by livyodream
(Post 1610216)
...... All the pictures are taken from so called CHEAP lens and experienced photographer. I still dont get the human mentality when it comes to the word " CHEAP". Expensive lens doesnt make a better photographer. one needs to graduate to that level (not by buying the lens).. Peace. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610341)
I am kinda unable to get both the points stupid: . Why can't we use a consumer grade lens over a D200? A D200 is a semi-pro DSLR and is DX-format and I dont know whats wrong in using it that way? Again with the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 combo with the D3x, still i am trying to get the point. Nikkor gives only three options for 50mm prime - f/1.8, f/1.4 and f/1.4 AF-S. f/1.4 is an overkill for many. And Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 is a FX-format so no question of vignette with full frame. So is there any valid reason for not using that lens with D3x? And why is that not going to work out precisely? Peace. I may have not got your points correctly it_inspector, so kindly bear. But maybe you can share some insights into if I am missing anything here. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610341)
Indeed. But an expensive glass when used by an EXPERIENCED PHOTOGRAPHER does make even better photograph than using a cheap glass by the same guy and for the same subject at the same FL and same setting. This is a hard fact for any Experienced or non-Experienced photographer that glass quality DOES matter. There's no magic. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610341)
Its better to wait than compromise. The proprietory lens are expensive but not all expense goes to brand premium. My Tamron 90mm Macro performs as good as Nikkor 105mm macro BUT only till f/8. Beyond f/8 there is a clear difference in sharpness between the lenses. So the price diff is justifiable. I do not have a reqmnt to use it beyond f/8, so I am good. |
Originally Posted by livyodream
(Post 1610366)
Lemme buy a 1 lakh rupee lens (Expensive enough i guess) and take pictures. The pictures should be far better (cos of glass quality) than the cheap lens even though i dont know 80% of the features. the point is- expensive lens adds the points for the experience one has in the field. Peace. |
Originally Posted by livyodream
(Post 1610366)
Lemme buy a 1 lakh rupee lens (Expensive enough i guess) and take pictures. The pictures should be far better (cos of glass quality) than the cheap lens even though i dont know 80% of the features. the point is- expensive lens adds the points for the experience one has in the field. Peace. |
Originally Posted by livyodream
(Post 1610373)
Thats an individual opinion. Well my opinion goes like this. Think of the category you are in and buy the lens accordingly. Once you are well verse with it and think that im experienced enough to handle an EXPENSIVe lens, sell the old one and buy a new one.clap: |
Originally Posted by mobike008
(Post 1610504)
I haven't checked this thread since morning and it seems to be that i am a culprit of starting a raging debate whether Sigma 70mm-300mm is a good lens or not with a lot of emphasize being laid on photo takers ability. Well, i am an absolute layman in terms of photography and slow and steadily learning the ropes as i am in no rush to become an award winning photographer:D Thanks to all you folks for your detailed feedbacks and healthy debate that has thrown a meaningful insight to what i can expect when and if i buy those lens. I do know a few things for sure about 70mm-300mm Sigma APO lens as i was checking out quite a few samples last night 1. 70mm--Super sharp pics 2 Until 200mm-- Decently sharp pics 3. Above 200mm until 300mm--Good pics with subject if is center weighted comes out sharp but corners tend to soften up way too much. @Livyodream, i cannot acess flicker from work, will check that link out in the night and see some results of these lens. @kkrk2, my Nikon D40x "estimation result" has arrived this morning for the faulty AF issue on kit lens ( 18mm-55mm) and it seems the AF motor is fine but some board is not working and that board it seems is not available. So i reckon i will have to manage with Manual zoom for my upcoming trip OR invest in a NEW VR Kit lens...my hands need to be inserted way too deep inside my pocket:Frustrati At that price, Sigma still looks tempting so i am going to continue look at more sample images and parallely double check that "Delhi Deal" and decide soon. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610591)
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Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1610591)
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Originally Posted by livyodream
(Post 1610216)
Disagree. reason mentioned in the previous posts. As we are talking about someone elses review, I know a good friend/colleague of mine who used the same lens and has got amazing pictures (looks to me). check out his flickr album to get the idea about the results: Flickr: Sri ..... !!'s Photostream All the pictures are taken from so called CHEAP lens and experienced photographer. I still dont get the human mentality when it comes to the word " CHEAP". Expensive lens doesnt make a better photographer. one needs to graduate to that level (not by buying the lens).. Peace. |
Originally Posted by gd1418
(Post 1609822)
Sukhpal, I've been buying my camera stuff from CC since '83 and had no issues till date. |
Originally Posted by it_inspector
(Post 1610501)
I so didn`t wanted to jump into this conversation and i was trying to avoid it, but looks like pandora's box needs to be opened. There are 2 major factors when using a DSLR - LENS combo, these are LENS Resolution (or Optical Resolution) and Sensor Resolution, please don't confuse with Megapixels (in other words Image Resolution). For ease of understanding, think of Sensor Resolution as ISO performance or Sensor Sensitivity (yes yes, its both right and wrong here). With Semi-Pro to Pro bodies, Sensor resolution (or senstivity) is higher and hence lenses are designed with this fact in mind. Lens will outresolve sensor, in other words, Lens Resolution is higher than Sensor Resolution. With consumer bodies, Sensor resolution (or senstivity) is low and hence CONSUMER lenses are designed with this fact in mind. CONSUMER lens will outresolve CONSUMER DSLR sensor, but Semi-pro to Pro bodies will outresolve the Lens, in other words Sensor resolution is higher than lens resolution. Ideally Lens Resolution should outresolve Sensor Resolution otherwise Sensor is crippled by the Lens. This is why it doesn`t make a sense to use consumer grade lens on a Semi-pro to Pro body. PnS cameras have same issue where sensor out resolves the lens (except Panasonic Lx-3 where its almost same). About Nikon 50mm f1.8 on D3X/D3, well why would you use a consumer grade lens and decrease AF efficiency and still depend on AF ??? I cannot understand this. Actually nikon also has 50mm f1.2 Ai-s variant and it isn't that expensive from 50mm f1.4 ai-s but is quite expensive from both 50mm f1.4 afs and D versions. |
Originally Posted by it_inspector
(Post 1610501)
And with D200 one can adjust focusing issues for each lens, for example ur friend is having sharpness issues, usually caused by Sigma`s front/back focusing issue, it can be corrected quite easily in D200. |
Originally Posted by it_inspector
(Post 1610501)
but then again 300mm f2.8vr was not designed to be used at f2.8, it shines at f4 ;) Cheers |
Originally Posted by SPARKled
(Post 1611556)
Some consumer lenses can easily out resolve the sensors of most semi and pro DSLRs. Please see the link for a review of the simple 50 1.8 AF on a D200 here. Nikkor AF 50mm f/1.8 D - Review / Test Report |
Originally Posted by SPARKled
(Post 1611556)
Could you please explain about this feature of the D200. If you are talking about the AF fine tune adjustment I am not sure if the D200 has this feature. |
Originally Posted by SPARKled
(Post 1611556)
I respectfully disagree with your statement and know a lot of people who have a 300 2.8 just for the 2.8 and swear by it. I myself have found the 300 2.8 very much at peak sharpness at 2.8 with only slightly better borders at F4 on the sample I tried. |
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