New Mahindra scorpio.. again

tsk1979 · 24th April 2006, 22:57

Mahindra R&D and AVL are jointly developing a new engine which will actually use the now cosmetic hood scoop. The highlight of the engine, well its 70Kg lighter than the current one, so that changes made at the rear for handling will now actually have some effect.

drifter · 24th April 2006, 23:02

Yeah i heard about it on some automobile programme on tv. But any idea when its coming?

Drifter

islero · 25th April 2006, 10:26

I dont think anyone will want to buy a Scorpio when theres permanently a new, improved one in the wings.

But anyway, developement is good!!

GTO · 25th April 2006, 13:37

70 kgs off? How much then does the current one weigh!

GTO

tsk1979 · 25th April 2006, 13:46

The GVW is 2510kg and the engine is very very heavy, infact a major reason for the horrible handling.

himanshugoswami · 25th April 2006, 14:09

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

The GVW is 2510kg and the engine is very very heavy, infact a major reason for the horrible handling.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't GVW include the full complement of passengers and luggage that a vehicle can carry?

If I remember correctly, the unladen weight of the scorpio is about 1900 kgs.

tsk1979 · 25th April 2006, 14:23

You are right. But Scorpio website does not mention unladen weight. Actually 1900kgs is also too heavy for such a small SuV. It should not be more than 1600kgs or so. Shaving of 70kg of the engine and 50-60kg odd from here and ther should bring it down to around 1800kg or so.

tifosikrishna · 25th April 2006, 14:30

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Shaving of 70kg of the engine .

doesnt it look like too big a task.... what it would be like in % terms...any idea of weight of the engine...

Zappo · 25th April 2006, 14:42

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Originally Posted by tifosikrishna

doesnt it look like too big a task.... what it would be like in % terms...any idea of weight of the engine...

Yes. But if they manage to pull off this coup the results will be eye popping. Not only will the handling undergo a sea-change but the vehicle will become even more nimble and agile. And if in the process they manage to extract more juice from the engine god only knows what kind of a hotrod will this scorpio become!

bigman · 25th April 2006, 16:12

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Originally Posted by himanshugoswami

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't GVW include the full complement of passengers and luggage that a vehicle can carry?

If I remember correctly, the unladen weight of the scorpio is about 1900 kgs.

Yes thats right the Scorpio is about 1900KG. The Safari is said to be over 2000KG. The Honda CRV is about 1600KG.

veyron1 · 25th April 2006, 20:58

@GTO; the current 2609cc crde engine, with F.I.P and 7.5 litres of oil, weighs in at about 350 kgs+.

the scorpio is rumoured to be undergoing a sea of changes. if the sources are right, the "new" engine is supposed to be twin cam, with around 135 ps+. an all new platform is expected in late 07', along the lines of tata's X2 platforms (X3 is on the same design lines, which would probably be the "finished" product. the X2 was displayed as tata Xover).

it seems mahindra plans to go places, what with the logan coming up to compete with the indigo et al...and at about 4.5-5.0 lacs, the 1.6 litre petrol and 1.3 litre diesel mills from renault is going to give tata nightmares... hail competition...

amit · 25th April 2006, 21:26

Looks like Mahindra & Mahindra are trying to outdo Maruti and Hyundai with their new improved products. A 'new' Scorpio was brought out hardly a month or two back and we already have a 'newer' one! And there is a 'still newer' one about to come out in 2007? Wonder whats going to happen to resale values if they keep doing that. Wouldn't be surprised if a few weeks after the still newer one in 2007, they come out with a 'still still newer one'.

Why didn't they make these engine improvements before bringing out the current new Scorpio?

bigman · 25th April 2006, 21:59

I think it is good that Mahindra are not sitting on their laurels and are making an effort to keep products looking fresh externally and also looking at developing things on the mechanical side by the way of new engines.

It is better than have a manufacturer sitting back and taking it easy.

>>Why didn't they make these engine improvements before bringing out the current new Scorpio?

Everyone was complaining about the handling etc so it made sense to get the product out as soon as soon as it was ready.

w 12 · 26th April 2006, 10:29

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Originally Posted by bigman

Yes thats right the Scorpio is about 1900KG. The Safari is said to be over 2000KG. The Honda CRV is about 1600KG.

It is 1880 Kgs to be exact.

w 12 · 26th April 2006, 11:10

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

You are right. But Scorpio website does not mention unladen weight. Actually 1900kgs is also too heavy for such a small SuV. It should not be more than 1600kgs or so. Shaving of 70kg of the engine and 50-60kg odd from here and ther should bring it down to around 1800kg or so.

Petrol engined softraoder Honda CRV weighs 1550 Kgs,, Endeavour and Safari tip 2000 Kgs .. So 1880 Kgs for Scorpio is not way off the mark..Still a reduction of 200 kgs if possible will do wonders

And Tuscons power output is 112 PS and 25 Kgm against 115 BHP and 26.3 Kgm of scorpio , both are crd , turbo and tuscon costs almost twice as much

24th April 2006, 22:57	#1
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,050 Times View My Garage	New Mahindra scorpio.. again Mahindra R&D and AVL are jointly developing a new engine which will actually use the now cosmetic hood scoop. The highlight of the engine, well its 70Kg lighter than the current one, so that changes made at the rear for handling will now actually have some effect.
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24th April 2006, 23:02	#2
drifter Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,488 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	Yeah i heard about it on some automobile programme on tv. But any idea when its coming? Drifter
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25th April 2006, 10:26	#3
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	I dont think anyone will want to buy a Scorpio when theres permanently a new, improved one in the wings. But anyway, developement is good!!
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25th April 2006, 13:37	#4
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 71,517 Thanked: 309,557 Times View My Garage	70 kgs off? How much then does the current one weigh! GTO
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25th April 2006, 13:46	#5
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,050 Times View My Garage	The GVW is 2510kg and the engine is very very heavy, infact a major reason for the horrible handling.
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25th April 2006, 14:23	#7
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,050 Times View My Garage	You are right. But Scorpio website does not mention unladen weight. Actually 1900kgs is also too heavy for such a small SuV. It should not be more than 1600kgs or so. Shaving of 70kg of the engine and 50-60kg odd from here and ther should bring it down to around 1800kg or so.
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25th April 2006, 20:58	#11
veyron1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	@GTO; the current 2609cc crde engine, with F.I.P and 7.5 litres of oil, weighs in at about 350 kgs+. the scorpio is rumoured to be undergoing a sea of changes. if the sources are right, the "new" engine is supposed to be twin cam, with around 135 ps+. an all new platform is expected in late 07', along the lines of tata's X2 platforms (X3 is on the same design lines, which would probably be the "finished" product. the X2 was displayed as tata Xover). it seems mahindra plans to go places, what with the logan coming up to compete with the indigo et al...and at about 4.5-5.0 lacs, the 1.6 litre petrol and 1.3 litre diesel mills from renault is going to give tata nightmares... hail competition... Last edited by veyron1 : 25th April 2006 at 20:59.
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25th April 2006, 21:26	#12
amit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,717 Thanked: 450 Times	Looks like Mahindra & Mahindra are trying to outdo Maruti and Hyundai with their new improved products. A 'new' Scorpio was brought out hardly a month or two back and we already have a 'newer' one! And there is a 'still newer' one about to come out in 2007? Wonder whats going to happen to resale values if they keep doing that. Wouldn't be surprised if a few weeks after the still newer one in 2007, they come out with a 'still still newer one'. Why didn't they make these engine improvements before bringing out the current new Scorpio?
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25th April 2006, 21:59	#13
bigman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NA Posts: 1,225 Thanked: 94 Times	I think it is good that Mahindra are not sitting on their laurels and are making an effort to keep products looking fresh externally and also looking at developing things on the mechanical side by the way of new engines. It is better than have a manufacturer sitting back and taking it easy. >>Why didn't they make these engine improvements before bringing out the current new Scorpio? Everyone was complaining about the handling etc so it made sense to get the product out as soon as soon as it was ready.
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