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Originally Posted by The Alchemist We normally see a lot of manufacturers going the 'mass-market' way and I wonder whether this thread is a contribution from T-BHP to that way of thinking! |
On the contrary, this thread illustrates that it is indeed possible to have fun with 'mass market' cars too...and as an enthusiast, I say that's a good thing. There's no need to falsely restrict 'fun-to-drive' with only expensive / niche cars. As an example, again, I've pushed an Alto K10 with good tyres on a ghat section and had an absolute blast with its sheer chuckability and potent engine. This is coming from someone who has driven 500 horsepower cars.
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Still we didn't include Cruze though. Wonder what has changed in Cruze this year, to make it an enthusiast's car!
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Just a change of opinion, everyone is entitled to that, isn't it? Lets say I learn everyday from Team-BHP. If you disagree with the Cruze's inclusion, please list out why. We're here to debate!
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Also, I must add that the omission of 2014 Fiesta is shocking especially when we have included many under-powered cars in the list already.Fiesta's steering is a gem and the handling is unmatched in my honest opinion.
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Totally agreed. Will be adding the Fiesta. It was a strong contender anyway.
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Otherwise this thread will just be an opinion of the OP and nothing more
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Actually, that's what it is....just like with most other threads. If I run a sales analysis, it's my opinion on the reason behind the successes & failures (open to argument by members), if a member publishes an ownership review of his car, it's his opinion of the same.
This is of course different from the official 'Team-BHP Car of the Year' which is decided by a public poll. That is decided by the community. This list of enthusiast cars is an opinion, albeit an informed one. Feel free to debate the list. We're always open to corrections.
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Originally Posted by The Alchemist Everyone will have different opinions when it comes to discussions such as these, and one way to address this would be to lay-out the parameters defining an enthusiast's car upfront and rate cars on each of these bullet points. Outright power maybe important to some and handling to some others. |
Take your pick from the list, whether you want a great steering, handling, power to weight etc.
Our shortlist is based on the possibility to have 'fun' with the vehicle. That's all.
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Why not poll with certain defined parameters.
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The single parameter here is FUN.
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Originally Posted by DicKy Good write up, but the list is almost the same as last years |
Can't help it if manufacturers haven't launched too many fun-to-drive cars this year.
On the other hand, it's a good thing that many enthusiast cars haven't been discontinued.
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But nonetheless, may be its a learning for many of us that cars we never thought or drove, must be fun to drive too. So guys, lets drive the newbies in the list too.
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Originally Posted by anachronix I did go back and read the OP again when I saw the Datsun in the list, I agree with most of the cars listed. But I couldnt digest the Alto K10 or the Datsun Go. |
Agreed. The Datsun Go isn't as much fun as an Alto K10. Included it as anyone consider the Alto K10 should definitely consider the Go too. Will change it to a supplementary entry.
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Originally Posted by Diesel_convert Maybe we can define what sort of enthusiast we are talking about to pare down the list! |
Why be so restrictive? Take a spin in any of the cars on the opening page. It's possible to have a blast with them.
Of course, if you feel that some cars need to be added / removed, please reply back with your own list.
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It currently comes across as an everybody wins list that magazines come up with to sell cars.
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Disagreed. It would if we'd included all the 200 cars on sale in India, and given awards to each. This is a compilation, not pointing out any single winner.
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I would never put my own car, a rapid on this list as its a bad handler in the ghats.
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I'm certain most Rapid owners will disagree with you (including one comment earlier on this thread itself). The Rapid is among the better handling cars from its segment.
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Originally Posted by tharian I am all for the off-roaders, since they are good at their playground. |
Yep! Can have as much fun with them in slush as you can with an Audi R8 on a racetrack.
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Originally Posted by jfxavier Some of the first S60 T6 (Volvo) examples sold should be coming into the second hand market with a price tag within the range considered for the list.
I think the T6 is a 'seriously' fun to drive car. |
Totally agreed, hope you've checked out my review of the same. The only problem with the T6 is it sold in the single digits. Finding a good example is akin to looking for a needle in a haystack.
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Originally Posted by vb-san Is this car still in production? Couldn't find it on Toyota India website. |
Yep. Confirmed with Toyota & its dealer.
Link and its there on the Toyota price lists too. There's a 2 month waiting in Mumbai though.
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR For me, the most important question is - 'From whose perspective?' |
F-U-N. Whose perspective? I think it's obvious by the handle that's posting it, and the person it's edited by. All visible on the opening page. Our forum doesn't allow anonymous postings
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I would like to know the analysis conducted before coming up with such an official list. Is this thread supposed to voice the collective opinion of the forum, and data collected as such? Or was it finalized internally by the moderator and support teams? Or is it purely GTO and the staff team who came up with the list for this year?
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Nothing official about it, where did you get that idea? It's our opinion, feel free to disagree with it and contribute your own list on this thread.
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except for the realization that off-roaders can be fun to drive!
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Actually, we realized offroaders can be fun from the time of our inception in 2004 itself. Please look up earlier threads on the topic.
Also, you need to look at the 2013 list again. Offroaders were very much a part of it. They've also been on my 'best used cars for 6 lakhs' article.
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Isn't it time we stopped mentioning the Swift as having snazzy styling (and give an after-market modified car pic along with it!)? I think its too old on the roads to be snazzy anymore, unless modified.
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1. I still consider it snazzy. Feel free to disagree. Looks are anyway subjective.
2. The Swift isn't the only one to have a modified example used, I'm surprised you're singling it out. It's the same for the Isuzu, Laura, Gurkha & Gypsy too.
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Ok, understood they have power under the belt - but all the recent discussions on safety doesn't even deserve a strong mention
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Please check both entries. Safety has been mentioned in the disadvantages list.
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Team bhp has a very efficient way of selecting the 'Car of the year'.
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And it always will. The official Team-BHP Car of the Year will be chosen via a public poll only.
This is a compilation, not an award, nor selecting a single car.
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Otherwise, mention whose opinion it is supposed to convey
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Just like any other thread, I think it's made amply clear just by the fact that an individual has posted it. Nowhere has it been stated that it's the 'collective opinion of the forum' and shouldn't be misconstrued as so either. Please don't misunderstand.
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The picture for the Linea Tjet seems to be taken from the member review
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When re-uploading any image, the bottom bit with the Team-BHP watermark is cropped off, otherwise there's a double Team-BHP watermark. This is the case for 90% of the pictures on the opening page which have been shrunk to a standard size. One of the other pictures - which had a watermark on top - has it listed clearly. If you have a problem with this, please use the 'report this post to a Moderator' functionality and we'll look into it.
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Originally Posted by rosh_aveo1.4 At the risk of sounding like a broken record, how about a pre-owned manual 2.4 liter 3rd gen Honda CR-V. |
Not under 20 lakhs!