Re: Govt officials refuse to use electric cars made by Mahindra & Tata Motors Quote:
Originally Posted by Car's Paradise The range of 82 kms in real time condition is very low...
If we consider the battery pack capacity(on board power)of Nissan leaf to be 40Kwhr the ideal range of that car will be.... 222 kms range...
The range specified by Mahindra for an E20+ with a 11KWHr batery pack and a 26Hp motor is 110kms, which translates to 0.1 Kwhr/km(0.08 Kwhr/Km specified by Mahindra on its website) consumption.... Considering the above fact if the consumption of the EV's supplied to the government comes down to 0.13 Kwhr/Km from 0.21 Kwhr/Km, they can achieve a range of ... 130 kms | Quote:
Originally Posted by ashutoshb Babus: Thanks. But, I want more range. This won't do. I want Tesla range in 10 lakhs...
Babus: Do you think we care? Media, we don't want these cars. They are good for nothing...
Media: Babus reject the cars. Cars have range problems.
Tata/Mahindra: Beta, itne paise mein itna hi milega. (You'll get what you pay for, son) | Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaKilo Most of the points discussed here seems to be blaming the Govt. officials for their lack of sensitivity.... My question is,
1. Did the officer(s) who were supposed to get these vehicles, consulted?
2. Was their usage profile analysed?
3. Did their departments had any say in the final budget of the vehicle being purchased?
What I feel being omitted here is the total disconnect between the end-user and the procurement/purchase department. Let us not blame the officials totally before we understand their operational constraints. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Lobogris A round trip can still be easily completed. Simply charge the vehicle while the official is spending 8 hours at the office. ... Some can be paid like Rs 20 per hour and others can be free or subsidised. | Cross-posting my own post in another thread. Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoNoob [ Source: BBC] Quote:
Owners of Nissan's new electric Leaf say they were given misleading information about the car before buying it.
They say charging the Leaf can take three times longer than claimed on Nissan's website.
Others are unhappy that the range on a single charge is not as good as the 235 miles (378km) they were promised.
Nissan admitted that charging times can vary, but denied there was a problem or that any customers were misled.
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They said they could charge in 40 to 60 minutes, so I believed them. But it's not true. The advertising is totally misleading."
When Mr Weatherley wrote to Nissan to complain, he was told that rapid charging was only intended for use once in a journey - something many buyers may be unaware of. | | Quote:
Nissan said the original claim of 235 miles was correct under an official means of measurement known as the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC).
However, as carmakers have moved to a different measure - known as the Worldwide harmonised Light vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) - the range is now officially 168 miles. |
So, even the famed Nissan Leaf has range issues (though on a different scale). However, the key concern is the certified/ claimed range vs. the real driving range. From the BBC article quoted above, this becomes amply clear. The range of Leaf got reduced almost 30% when the testing method was changed from NEDC to WLTP. This is still not the real representative of actual driving condition, as it varies from driver to driver and location to location.
Now, Leaf is no low-tech or developmental EV and when it can suffer such a fate, its not hard to imagine the real driving range of products offered by Tata/ Mahindra, which claim max. range of around 130km.
That said, I am no way implying that Tata/ Mahindra made tall claims and then came short at the time of delivery. My opinion is in sync with questions raised by AlphaKilo; it seems a clear case of not capturing user requirements correctly by EESL etc.
Last edited by AutoNoob : 4th July 2018 at 18:14.
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