For Prospective Dicor owners

Steeroid · 21st January 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by gd1418

Another stupid question - What has geometry got to do with a turbocharger..?

Read this - from Hyundai:

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v1p3r · 21st January 2007, 15:07

It's all about exploring new angles.

Vid6639 · 21st January 2007, 16:02

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

It's all about exploring new angles.

lol!!!! v1p3R.............................

is this 3.0L VGT out anywhere? we know the 2.2L is out there and it's a stonker.

directinjection · 22nd January 2007, 12:01

What are the bore and stroke figures for the new 2.2 lt. engine?

The figures for the original 1948 CC TCIC/Sumo engine are 83mm X 90mm.

For the petrol Safari, the Tata engineers simply rebored the engine to 86mm and kept the stroke at 90mm. This increased the engine's capacity to 2.1 lts. (2092 CC). Of course, the head unit was entirely new.

Since the new engine is being described as a 2.2 lt. unit and if it uses the same block (looking at Tata's obsession with keeping costs low, it probably will), would the new engine have bore and stroke of 87mm X 90mm?

Can someone good in maths calculate what engine capacity results from 87mm X 90 mm X 4 cylinders?

Cheers!

Su-47 · 22nd January 2007, 14:23

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Originally Posted by directinjection

Can someone good in maths calculate what engine capacity results from 87mm X 90 mm X 4 cylinders?

I'm just OK in maths

Anyway, this would come to 2140 cc.

ironwalah · 22nd January 2007, 14:56

"Somone in the know" at Mahindra's Mumbai office says April launch of the 2.2 ltr version.
Any reliable dope from Tata on when they plan to come to the market with theirs?

directinjection · 22nd January 2007, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Su-47

I'm just OK in maths

Anyway, this would come to 2140 cc.

Probably good enough to call it a 2.2 litre.
Wonder if Himanshu Goswami can get us the exact info. He seems to have a hotline directly with Tata's R&D Centre.

vichu · 29th January 2007, 13:57

Hi Himanshu Goswami, Do we have any news on batch no. of the safaris (manufactured post Jan18th).

himanshugoswami · 29th January 2007, 16:44

Guys, I was busy with a few things so have not had time to talk to my frind. Will call him during this week and find out the barrel no.

pradkumar · 29th January 2007, 17:26

The comments on this site suggest that the 2.2 lt unit has a new aluminium block. So where does cost cutting come here?

Pradeep

Quote:

Originally Posted by directinjection

Since the new engine is being described as a 2.2 lt. unit and if it uses the same block (looking at Tata's obsession with keeping costs low, it probably will), would the new engine have bore and stroke of 87mm X 90mm?

Cheers!

hari_rama · 29th January 2007, 18:51

Steer sir,please can we get a little more info on the new 2.2 ltr motor??

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemithomas

thanks for the info man. spoke to dealers in kerala. they have no idea that a 2.2L engine is ever being thought of by tata. What people....!!!!.

hey man dont expect them to give u info on the coming model....they still want to sell the 3ltr version or else new customers will wait for the new version.....u know wat,hardly a month ago a friend of mine asked at a maruti dealership whether any new baleno is coming soon and whether the current model will be stopped and the dealership said the current model will be reatined for a year or so

testdrive · 30th January 2007, 17:07

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Originally Posted by himanshugoswami

Guys, I was busy with a few things so have not had time to talk to my frind. Will call him during this week and find out the barrel no.

Thanks! Himanshu, keep us posted on the barrel no. I am taking delivery of a Safari Dicor LX from Gurgaon on 5th Feb 07. I would be great if you could provide the barrel no. asap!

Rahulk76 · 28th February 2007, 23:14

A little birdie (reliable source) told me that there is a new 3ltr or 3.4 ltr (if i overheard correctly) around the block and is really brute in nature and drinks only diet diesel (milage can be compared to the current 3ltr dicor). iS built on the same block of 3ltr. Its ages ahead of the current dicor and will be an awesome machine to own. More when i come to know more

THE-U- · 1st March 2007, 01:46

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Originally Posted by Rahulk76

A little birdie (reliable source) told me that there is a new 3ltr or 3.4 ltr (if i overheard correctly) around the block and is really brute in nature and drinks only diet diesel (milage can be compared to the current 3ltr dicor). iS built on the same block of 3ltr. Its ages ahead of the current dicor and will be an awesome machine to own. More when i come to know more

I speculate we can expect this motor with the new platform August of 2010.

pogusingh · 1st March 2007, 10:55

Hi
I am also eagerly waiting for 2.2L dicor but dont want to become the road tester for their new engine

Having said that 3.0L engine is tried and tested and also the fact that the lot after 18-Jan is refined, does it make sense to wait for 2.2L. I am confused here.
Also has somebody the precise info about the changes being done in the 2.2L other then the engine and whether they shall be able to address the cons of the safari as mentioned at various reviews of the vehicle

a)The steering is not direct and is non-linear as well.
b)The brakes however need serious improvement
c)Quality of dashboard plastics, Spartan
d) Traditionally constant RPM engine has very small rev-range and suffers from late response
e) Not a true blue offroader, ABS inadequate
f) Clutch is heavy and gear throw is long
g)Car feels very front heavy around corners and subject to lots of roll

I have raised the concern in one of the other threads also but just thought to get the feedback from this thread also
In general what kind of issues do come with a vehicle like Safari if you buy a new one?

regards
pogu

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22nd January 2007, 12:01	#49
directinjection Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Faridabad/Delhi Posts: 1,705 Thanked: 785 Times	What are the bore and stroke figures for the new 2.2 lt. engine? The figures for the original 1948 CC TCIC/Sumo engine are 83mm X 90mm. For the petrol Safari, the Tata engineers simply rebored the engine to 86mm and kept the stroke at 90mm. This increased the engine's capacity to 2.1 lts. (2092 CC). Of course, the head unit was entirely new. Since the new engine is being described as a 2.2 lt. unit and if it uses the same block (looking at Tata's obsession with keeping costs low, it probably will), would the new engine have bore and stroke of 87mm X 90mm? Can someone good in maths calculate what engine capacity results from 87mm X 90 mm X 4 cylinders? Cheers! Last edited by directinjection : 22nd January 2007 at 12:03.
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22nd January 2007, 14:56	#51
ironwalah Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: chennai Posts: 13 Thanked: 0 Times	"Somone in the know" at Mahindra's Mumbai office says April launch of the 2.2 ltr version. Any reliable dope from Tata on when they plan to come to the market with theirs?
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29th January 2007, 13:57	#53
vichu Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14 Thanked: 0 Times	Hi Himanshu Goswami, Do we have any news on batch no. of the safaris (manufactured post Jan18th).
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29th January 2007, 16:44	#54
himanshugoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: !!!! Posts: 2,303 Thanked: 2,619 Times	Guys, I was busy with a few things so have not had time to talk to my frind. Will call him during this week and find out the barrel no.
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28th February 2007, 23:14	#58
Rahulk76 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 1,149 Thanked: 235 Times	A little birdie (reliable source) told me that there is a new 3ltr or 3.4 ltr (if i overheard correctly) around the block and is really brute in nature and drinks only diet diesel (milage can be compared to the current 3ltr dicor). iS built on the same block of 3ltr. Its ages ahead of the current dicor and will be an awesome machine to own. More when i come to know more
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1st March 2007, 10:55	#60
pogusingh BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 226 Thanked: 0 Times	Hi I am also eagerly waiting for 2.2L dicor but dont want to become the road tester for their new engine Having said that 3.0L engine is tried and tested and also the fact that the lot after 18-Jan is refined, does it make sense to wait for 2.2L. I am confused here. Also has somebody the precise info about the changes being done in the 2.2L other then the engine and whether they shall be able to address the cons of the safari as mentioned at various reviews of the vehicle a)The steering is not direct and is non-linear as well. b)The brakes however need serious improvement c)Quality of dashboard plastics, Spartan d) Traditionally constant RPM engine has very small rev-range and suffers from late response e) Not a true blue offroader, ABS inadequate f) Clutch is heavy and gear throw is long g)Car feels very front heavy around corners and subject to lots of roll I have raised the concern in one of the other threads also but just thought to get the feedback from this thread also In general what kind of issues do come with a vehicle like Safari if you buy a new one? regards pogu
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