[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Tata's next big project - after Hornbill's launch - will be the Ertiga/Marazzo rival MPV. To be built on the ALFA platform, the MPV might be offered in two flexible seating configurations.

Then I'm guessing nobody is wishing for the Covid-19 vaccine as much as TML management. A new MPV's sales with a Tata emblem will be surely fill up the last spot in the sales charts if a highly contagious virus is also in the equation.

[Rahul Rao]

Originally Posted by safari_lover

When it comes to a MUV/MPV, I don't understand why Tata hasn't come up with a replacement for the Sumo.

Tata needs to refine their current Ladder on frame group of vehicles, and re-enter with multiple vehicles.
A Single frame with minor changes can be used for everything from Hexa down to a people carrier, people carrier will only need stiffer springs in the front and leaf springs at the rear. Two wheel bases will be enough. I find the Front wheel drive and its torque steer kills the joy of long drives and makes them tiring.
The Shorter WB can have the 1.5 Lit from Nexon, and few cars like
1. Three door (Modern Sierra) (4M)
2.4/5 door 5 Seat rural dirt track car (4M) TUV catagory (4x4 option)
3. 5 door 8 seat rural dirt track vehicle Longer rear overhang
The longer WB (Current Hexa dimensions 2.2 Lit)
1. 5 door 8 Seat tourer (4x4 and AT option) Safari replacement.
2. 5 door 8 Seat tourer (4X4 and AT option) The BS6 Hexa.

Rahul

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Rahul Rao

Tata needs to refine their current Ladder on frame group of vehicles, and re-enter with multiple vehicles.

Well Tata has no "current" ladder on frame chassis, only past ones, Tata has NO passenger vehicle on sales with a ladder on frame chassis. Complete portfolio is monocoque. It was clearly mentioned by the company a few years ago that they are looking to do away with the LoF bodies for mainstream PVs.

The Hexa may make a comeback later in the year. But that's a costly vehicle for a niche segment more or less. For mass market Tata has pretty much left the "unsafe people mover" segment to Mahindra's Bolero & Force's Trax.

[Rahul Rao]

@Reinhard I did know about this declaration, even if Tata is shifting to 100% Monocoque designs they should have a platform for larger dimension vehicles with a longitudinal engine. All the electronic controls on traction etc never give the driving comfort of a front engine rear wheel drive vehicle.
Not every one has the budget for a BMW X3 and above or a Mercedes, and whatever car one multiple car owning family has it ends up being a porch ornament, and real long distance use car remains an Innova, or something similar like Endeavour, Hexa or at worst Xylo.

Rahul

[wheelguy]

Tata Nexon imagined as an MPV by SRK designs.Not bad at all, can comfortably slot above Nexon in TML's portfolio. More features and premiumization compared to Nexon would definitely help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NJKAPd5jGo&t=87s

[DRPSREDDY]

TATA Motors is loosing out on the 7 seater MPV space. Is it the platform that is causing the limitations or the engine combination that is restricting the issue.
The OMEGA is expensive but ALFA is limited. Cannot the ALFA platform be modified to be a proper MPV or do we need to get in the older X1 platform to get a new MPV.
How can TML crack the MPV space?

Motor Octane TATA Carens rival

[ashutoshb]

Well one MPV, they showed, was the Avinya. But, it ain't going to be in ICE.

The maximum ALFA platform can go, is 4.3 metres (Tata Sierra concept was 4.3). Dont think they will be able to create a proper 7 seater in this length. There can be a 5 adults + 2 kids, but 7 adults looks difficult.

The OMEGA platform can stretch till 4.8 metres, and looks like the way to go.

If they can come up with a full size MPV, with Safari features, at Safari money (15-25L) there should be takers.

And if they are thinking of a Harrier/ Safari EV, the MPV can be an EV too.

[DRPSREDDY]

What is stopping TML from creating a Renault Triber sized 7 seater SUV based on the stretched TATA PUNCH. It is definitely doable and will not stretch beyond 4.2 mts. Triber is selling decent numbers and will not need more powerful engine than that in NEXON.
I think TML needs to consider the option.

[condor]

Originally Posted by ashutoshb

If they can come up with a full size MPV, with Safari features, at Safari money (15-25L) there should be takers.

Safari features, Safari money = Safari ! So what will be new / what is left to be done ? The 2021 Safari is a 7 seater.

[TeaPot1]

That's a welcome news. There is a huge vacuum in the Ertiga rivalling MPV space. M&M tried its luck with Marazzo. Though being a well-rounded product, I could not taste success. Scope for improvement.

Renault's test with Lodgy did not yield any result, however they were successful with Triber. The consistent numbers month-on-month speaks the demand in the market.

TML with their current product line-up and success rate, I am very sure they will make an impact. People actually need an alternate/competitor to Ertiga in the same price range.

[Benoit]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

TATA Motors is loosing out on the 7 seater MPV space. Is it the platform that is causing the limitations or the engine combination that is restricting the issue.
The OMEGA is expensive but ALFA is limited. Cannot the ALFA platform be modified to be a proper MPV or do we need to get in the older X1 platform to get a new MPV.

I believe Tata has all the ingredients required for a mini MPV, aka ertiga rival. ALFA can be stretched upto 4.3m. It can house the Nexon spec petrol and diesel engines and transmissions.

Having used my Altroz for 40k km now, I can vouch on the capabilities of the platform. IMO, Tata is wasting a very capable platform. They should expand across segments, and use the ALFA platform to the fullest. But yeah, they are busy with the EVs, which isn't a bad thing either.

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Benoit

I believe Tata has all the ingredients required for a mini MPV, aka ertiga rival. ALFA can be stretched upto 4.3m. It can house the Nexon spec petrol and diesel engines and transmissions.

The platform & the diesel engine - absolutely yes - Tata have pretty robust setups at hand.

Petrol. Meh. I have my doubts about the abuse friendliness of that 3 pot 1.2L Revotron NA/Turbo. Its absolutely fine as a personal use engine. But an Ertiga rival will need bullet proof reliability (under abusive conditions) for a million KMs for it to be a justifiable investment. Does that engine have it in it? The jury is still out (and its out since 5 years or so now). The MPV - will definitely need to have good sales as a transport vehicle. Purely private ownership sales will never make enough numbers to cover for the R&D investment needed. Very few people buy small MPVs over SUVs in our country as personal car.

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

The platform & the diesel engine - absolutely yes - Tata have pretty robust setups at hand.

Petrol. Meh. I have my doubts about the abuse friendliness of that 3 pot 1.2L Revotron NA/Turbo. Its absolutely fine as a personal use engine. But an Ertiga rival will need bullet proof reliability (under abusive conditions) for a million KMs for it to be a justifiable investment. Does that engine have it in it?

I don't think the the 3 pot petrol has shown any signs of unreliability. They have been very less complaint from the revotron engine. The engine is quite peppy in the Nexon and has been the best seller. No doubt it has the thrum of the 3 pots rumbling quite significant on flooring the gas but have completed a huge collection of mile munching in all the 5 cars on sale.
I feel it will definitely come out on flying colours in a 7 seater Triber/Ertiga rival avatar.

[ashutoshb]

Originally Posted by condor

Safari features, Safari money = Safari ! So what will be new / what is left to be done ? The 2021 Safari is a 7 seater.

What I meant, brother, was a Carnival like MPV, using the Omega platform's full 4.8 metre length, with Safari features for Safari money.

[DicKy]

Bhpian @vivekji05 had shared this on his Insta page.



So a TATA MPV is really coming? Though looking at the sliding doors and shape, this looks more like a VFM Carnival rival than an Ertiga rival. Still wonder if it is a Toyota Noah/Voxy size van or big fat one like the Carnival.

Looks like it the image has the Autocarindia watermark. Any BHPian with the mag subscription could shed some light on further details.