[Dr.Naren]

I believe Suzuki doesn't sell any cars with diesel engines now. 1.6 DDIS was discontinued even in global S-Cross and Vitara.

I really liked the Suzuki 1.5 DDIS engine for its revv happy performance and refinement. The numbers were low on paper but the Ciaz was damn quick

[ChandraSekarMN]

Sorry for being slightly off topic.

Just got me curious: Maruti 'was' (Pre BS6) selling considerable number of diesels in Taxi segments: Dzire Tour, Ertiga, etc. What happened to those sales numbers? I don't think CNG (recently being pushed by Maruti) would fill in that taxi / fleet requirements, fully.

To that matter wondering who is filling the taxi segment requirement currently? Xcent, Etios, Tata Zest, Dzire Tours were the new cars seen over the last 4 /5 years in Taxis. With most of them gone, who is capitalizing on this opportunities..? I understand taxi as a segment was badly affected due to covid. Is that the only reason for no new cars being seen on roads or no new buying is happening in that segment, now?

[volkman10]

On diesel engine in MS products, Shashank Srivastava, Senior Executive Director (Marketing & Sales), MSIL :

still reevaluating on it if there really is a requirement for diesel vehicles to be brought in. We are analysing data and getting market feedback and we will decide on the reintroduction of the diesel vehicles

whenever there is a market for diesel, MSIL will launch products with the existing 1.5-litre engine.

Link

[volkman10]

Maruti Suzuki to junk its diesel plans, bets on CNG, hybrids and flex fuel.

Given a marked shift in consumer preference amid a sharp rise in conventional fuel prices, sales of CNG vehicles are expected to overtake those of diesel-driven ones in the local market, post the shift to CAFE2 norms.

Link

[sanstorm]

Electric is new diesel IMHO!

The stimulus for diesel-engined cars was the price gap in India (25INR/liter) and the higher mileage then. The rising prices have diminished the difference and hence the shift back to CNG/petrol combined.

The electric and CNG shift is purely based on pricing and international pressures (than overall better technology or carbon footprint maths).

The petrol and diesel taxes are major revenue earning for governments. I don't have any doubts that the babus and their masters find a way to better or level the coffers. I won't write off the diesel power as yet

[rsidd]

Originally Posted by sanstorm

Electric is new diesel IMHO!

Absolutely! Pay more upfront, but unlike with diesel today, you have sharply lower running costs and maintenance costs and emissions. Tata says its Nexon EV is selling roughly as much as Nexon Diesel (about 1000 units/month each; about 8000/month petrol). The difference is, EV is trending up, diesel is flat or trending down. If Maruti is smart they would have noted the trend. Hence no diesel. The question is are they doing anything about the EV market?

[Geta]

@Mods: Please change the title of this thread. It is misleading and I get fooled almost on a weekly basis thinking some new update regarding Maruti's diesel engine.

Originally Posted by rsidd

Absolutely! Pay more upfront, but unlike with diesel today, you have sharply lower running costs and maintenance costs and emissions. Tata says its Nexon EV is selling roughly as much as Nexon Diesel (about 1000 units/month each; about 8000/month petrol). The difference is, EV is trending up, diesel is flat or trending down. If Maruti is smart they would have noted the trend. Hence no diesel. The question is are they doing anything about the EV market?

I hope you have taken into consideration that Nexon's battery pack alone costs about 40-50% of its on road price and it will need to be replaced after 7-8 years as the range reduces by about 10-15% every year. This translates into Rs 1 lakh for the battery pack cost alone per year (or Rs 11,100 extra EMI per month if someone purchases the car on a loan with 8.5% p.a interest on a 7 year tenure) despite not running a single kilometre. Add poor resale values due to battery depletion, range anxiety and probably little benefits with regards to emission as we still end up using fossil fuel to generate electricity (some villager somewhere ends up inhaling the pollutant while we citywallahs boast about green cars and clean air in the city).... diesel still is the wise choice despite the ridiculous amount of taxes we pay on it.

[rsidd]

Originally Posted by Geta

@Mods: Please change the title of this thread. It is misleading and I get fooled almost on a weekly basis thinking some new update regarding Maruti's diesel engine.

Note mine was an anti-diesel post not a pro-EV post. Diesel has messed up our cities and our children's health big time. Developed countries recognise it and are banning old diesel cars from their city centres. But somehow trust that Euro-6/BS-6 will be a miracle solution. That's the power of the diesel lobby.

So, it's good that Maruti is not continuing with diesel. Hope others follow suit.

I hope you have taken into consideration that Nexon's battery pack alone costs about 40-50% of its on road price and it will need to be replaced after 7-8 years as the range reduces by about 10-15% every year.

There's an 8 year / 1.6L km warranty on the battery. The average EV battery degradation (across several manufacturers in the west) in 6.5 years is about 13% total, ie about 2% annually.

little benefits with regards to emission as we still end up using fossil fuel to generate electricity (some villager somewhere ends up inhaling the pollutant while we citywallahs boast about green cars and clean air in the city)....

This has been debunked amply but continues to be repeated by fossil fuel companies and their agents. Any EV is greener than almost any petrol car even today, and in parallel with EVs we should be (and are) moving to green power generation.

[shortbread]

Originally Posted by volkman10

On diesel engine in MS products, Shashank Srivastava, Senior Executive Director (Marketing & Sales), MSIL :

still reevaluating on it if there really is a requirement for diesel vehicles to be brought in. We are analysing data and getting market feedback and we will decide on the reintroduction of the diesel vehicles



Link

MSIL does a thorough evaluation taking years and years, past 2-3 years they have been evaluating whether diesel engines make sense in the Indian market (who knows right, since it's never been attempted before), evaluating to launch or not to launch the Jiminy.....

Imagine if MSIL was responsible for evaluating 10 or 12 board exam papers, the students might experience their mid-life crisis before they see their board results!

[Black_Star]

Originally Posted by shortbread

MSIL does a thorough evaluation taking years and years, past 2-3 years they have been evaluating whether diesel engines make sense in the Indian market (who knows right, since it's never been attempted before), evaluating to launch or not to launch the Jiminy.....

Imagine if MSIL was responsible for evaluating 10 or 12 board exam papers, the students might experience their mid-life crisis before they see their board results!

With CAFE regulations coming in they have to predict consumer demands, and as the biggest auto-manufacture in India if they make any mistake they might end up paying crores in fines.

[BoneCollector]

Had a chance meeting with a person working in the engine plant of MSIL. As per him, the 1.5 diesel has been totally shelved. There is no way it will ever see light again. Although Maruti will launch diesel models some time next year with engines sourced from Toyota. I'm not sure if Toyota has a small diesel which is BS6 compliant.

[7000plusrpm]

Dear mods,
At the risk of an infraction, Can I please request you to merge the following threads to the official jokes thread.
1. Maruti and bs6 diesel
2. Honda launching hr-v in India
3. Launch of new generation Polo in India

[AutoNoob]

Originally Posted by BoneCollector

Had a chance meeting with a person working in the engine plant of MSIL. As per him, the 1.5 diesel has been totally shelved. There is no way it will ever see light again. Although Maruti will launch diesel models some time next year with engines sourced from Toyota. I'm not sure if Toyota has a small diesel which is BS6 compliant.

And it's confirmed by big boss as well (though still keeping a hint of suspense )

[ysjoy]

From the Moneycontrol automotive section, earlier today:

Maruti to stay away from diesel segment, focus on making petrol cars more fuel efficient
The country's largest carmaker believes the next phase of emission norms would jack up the cost of diesel vehicles, thus further impacting their sales in the market which for the last few years has seen a gradual shift towards petrol cars.

Maruti Suzuki India (MSI) has ruled out getting back into the diesel segment as it believes sale of such vehicles would further come down with the onset of the next phase of emission norms in 2023, according to a senior company official.

The country's largest carmaker believes the next phase of emission norms would jack up the cost of diesel vehicles, thus further impacting their sales in the market which for the last few years has seen a gradual shift towards petrol cars.

"We are not going to be in the diesel space. We had indicated earlier that we will study it and if there is customer demand we can make a comeback. But going forward, we will not be participating in the diesel space," MSI Chief Technical Officer C V Raman told PTI in an interaction.

He cited the upcoming stricter emission norms as a primary reason to avoid diesel-powered cars.

"In 2023 the new phase of emission norms will come which is likely to drive up the cost. So we believe that diesel percentages may further come down. We do not know about the competition but as MSI we do not have any intention to participate in the diesel space," Raman noted.

Source:
Moneycontrol
Hindustantimes

[gururajrv]

Whilst it sounds to be practical, it also has an excuse hidden in their statement considering their large portion of sales in the last decade did certainly come from Diesel space. While smaller players geared up quickly to retain diesel, MSIL shy’d away completely without even trying to compete as they’d a healthy 1.5 diesel. They’re still focused on providing frugal cars but not safety oriented ones yet? That’s it for this space and thread in that case from MSIL.