Fiat Palio Stile 1.1 - WHY?

finneyp · 24th May 2007, 03:47

A individual cannot tell us that Palio should not be available in Indian market or should anyone buy it or not???
After all, an individual is just one single soul among the 1 Billion people in this Country, and if he hates Palio for some reason, he can go & buy a Car that he likes!
Let the rest 99.99 million people of this country decide & buy what they want!
And who is ACI?
A Private Auto Car Magazine publisher who will praise any Car maker who can fill their coffers to the maximum!
I don't trust any figures given by Auto Car magazines, for me the owners actual figures matter the most and you can get ample of those on this very forum!

I love Fiat for giving us World class car like Palio for 4 - 4.5 lacs, unlike the other favourite Car maker (MUL) who duped millions of India by selling tin boxes just for the sake of FE at the same price!
And I have much more things in life to do, rather than to defend a individual's statements with facts!

1100D · 24th May 2007, 03:51

What were the cars with which the Stile 1.1 was compared? Did U-VA and the GETZ feature in that comparo?

I am asking this because I am unable to see the magazine.

v1p3r · 24th May 2007, 03:53

I love how you have replaced my name with 'an individual'. Very imaginative, kudos to you.

I have never asked you to defend my statements with facts. It is rather hard to understand what you're saying, with your oblique references and iffy grammar.

At the risk of

, I will repeat myself. I fail to see how the Palio is a 'world-class' car seeing as how it is only sold to the third-world. Unless you meant third-world-class car. The Swift, the Corsa Sail, the Getz, now those are truly world-class cars.

Godfather · 24th May 2007, 03:54

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Originally Posted by finneyp

A individual cannot tell us that Palio should not be available in Indian market or should anyone buy it or not???
After all, an individual is just one single soul among the 1 Billion people in this Country, and if he hates Palio for some reason, he can go & buy a Car that he likes!
Let the rest 99.99 million people of this country decide & buy what they want!
And who is ACI?
A Private Auto Car Magazine publisher who will praise any Car maker who can fill their coffers to the maximum!
I don't trust any figures given by Auto Car magazines, for me the owners actual figures matter the most and you can get ample of those on this very forum!

SIgh.. If only more people on this forum thought like you we would have more discussions and few war's.

Godfather

mclaren1885 · 24th May 2007, 03:54

Finneyp, I request you to accept some constructive criticism. No one is asking you not to buy the 1.1 while we do expect some logical backing asto why would one buy while other better alternatives exist. Do let us know if we are missing out on some points.

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unlike the other favourite Car maker (MUL) who duped millions of India by selling tin boxes just for the sake of FE at the same price!

No one is denying the fact. But the trend is changing. And that is what we are happy to see.

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And I have much more things in life to do, rather than to defend a individual's statements with facts!

One among them would be singing praises on almost every thread mentioning FIAT? No offense, but when you argue do post some relevant facts.

v1p3r · 24th May 2007, 03:54

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Originally Posted by 1100D

What were the cars with which the Stile 1.1 was compared? Did U-VA and the GETZ feature in that comparo?

I am asking this because I am unable to see the magazine.

No, the comparison was for engines under 1.2 litres in displacement. Which is why the ubiquitous Swift was also absent.

The Wolf · 24th May 2007, 04:11

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Originally Posted by finneyp

A individual cannot tell us that Palio should not be available in Indian market or should anyone buy it or not???!

Who us?? people who argue without any hard core stats backing their comments???

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Originally Posted by finneyp

After all, an individual is just one single soul among the 1 Billion people in this Country, and if he hates Palio for some reason, he can go & buy a Car that he likes!
Let the rest 99.99 million people of this country decide & buy what they want!???!

How about asking those 99.99million(wonder how you got that, huh!!!) people to put down reasons for their purchase??Not too practical but lets start with you...

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Originally Posted by finneyp

And who is ACI?!

BCI's brother...just kidding man, its a panel not one guy!!!

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Originally Posted by finneyp

A Private Auto Car Magazine publisher who will praise any Car maker who can fill their coffers to the maximum!
I don't trust any figures given by Auto Car magazines, for me the owners actual figures matter the most and you can get ample of those on this very forum!

You start, other fiat owners will start one by one...

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Originally Posted by finneyp

I love Fiat for giving us World class car like Palio for 4 - 4.5 lacs, unlike the other favourite Car maker (MUL) who duped millions of India by selling tin boxes just for the sake of FE at the same price!!

MUL duped millions...well, that doesnt give Fiat enough reason to follow suit!!!

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Originally Posted by finneyp

And I have much more things in life to do, rather than to defend a individual's statements with facts!

Then you should do those things and refrain from posting on this thread!!!

Whenasked · 24th May 2007, 05:25

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

It was not designed only for third-world countries, which the Palio is. It's another thing that it is STILL in production, primarily because people buy it by the thousands. MUL is not a charity or a high fashion boutique. If people buy a product, they will sell, more so when the dies and manufacturing equipment have depreciated to the point where almost any sales equal profits.

First of all if a car is produced for third world countries , it does NOT MEAN THAT IT IS INFERIOR. It is adapted to cater the specific needs of that geography. Buddy I have a 2001 Palio 1.2. It has never been broken down...in the past 6 years. I have travelled across KERALA, TAMILNADU & KARNATAKA with out any issues except for tyre punctures (may be thats also due to FIAT

) . Now thats what I call reliablity & owner satisfaction. Do you get that feeling?

You said MUL is not charity..same is with FIAT, if people buy 1.1 stile, FIAT will sell..aam junta dont mind two second delay !!

Engine capacity was only reduced from 1200cc to 1100cc to take advantage of Excise duty, but FIAT also tweaked it to make sure that CITY Driving not affected.

I can see a tensed MUL, HYUNDAI because of FIAT's alliance with TATA & thats why all these posts against FIAT.

One more thing, if FIAT is so bad..why is that SWIFT from MUL having that FIAT engine on SWIFT. Its a shame.. isn't it.. with a borrowed stuff?

Mpower · 24th May 2007, 05:44

Whats wrong with a 3rd world car. I for one dont want to scrape my underbelly and replace bent rims.

After the success of Logan and Palio (in the global sense), the latest buzzword in Auto circles is to do a car for BRIC countries. Toyota, Honda, VW and Nissan are all currently working on it.

zenx · 24th May 2007, 08:27

Hmm, I do think car buying is more of a subjective choice than an objective one! The Palio - in fact the whole series of Sienas, petras and palios, seem to be 40k kms cars mechanically - need work after that - but feel very solid and well built. They're not the most fuel efficient or peppy (except the 1.9D, or the 1.6) around, but an overall decent package where 'solidity' is the strongest big factor. I am not convinced by the package - but surely can see why others could be - a lot of people like 'solid' cars more than 'tinny' ones - I'm a little more convinced about crumple zones, the passenger cage etc doing their job, even on my skinny OHC.
But like I said, its a 'feel' thingy and see no reason to not see why someone else might see it differently (thats a sea of see's in one sentence - pardon the construction but I haven't even had my morning cuppa). The same goes for the 'defenders' - its not really necessary to denigrate everyone else's choice and discount their reasons to justify your own - why is FE such a bad reason to lower the weight of cars ? Being primarily city runabouts (and city traffic average speeds and limits are pretty low - read an 18kmph average for Bangalore a while ago) - MUL's "tin-cans" do a marvelous job of providing affordable transportation.

spadival · 24th May 2007, 08:45

Pretty simple actually..They cant compare apples with oranges and then come to a conclusion. They are comparing Palio which is arguably in the B+ segment with B segment cars like Xing and Spark !! Why not compare with the B+ segment cars like Getz Prime and U-VA.

Samurai · 24th May 2007, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Whenasked

First of all if a car is produced for third world countries , it does NOT MEAN THAT IT IS INFERIOR. It is adapted to cater the specific needs of that geography. Buddy I have a 2001 Palio 1.2. It has never been broken down...in the past 6 years. I have travelled across KERALA, TAMILNADU & KARNATAKA with out any issues except for tyre punctures (may be thats also due to FIAT

) . Now thats what I call reliablity & owner satisfaction. Do you get that feeling?
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One more thing, if FIAT is so bad..why is that SWIFT from MUL having that FIAT engine on SWIFT. Its a shame.. isn't it.. with a borrowed stuff?

This thread is about Palio 1.1 Stile and how it compares with similar offerings. Nobody is putting down 1.2 or 1.6 versions. Kindly remain in context.

DCEite · 24th May 2007, 09:08

I thought that Stile 1.1 would atleast give as good as mileage as Xing, if not better.But this review says otherwise :(

BTW, Autocar has a great affinity towards Santro Xing. It is a little biased if i may say so

mclaren1885 · 24th May 2007, 09:08

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I can see a tensed MUL, HYUNDAI because of FIAT's alliance with TATA & thats why all these posts against FIAT.

From what I know there aren't any representatives from either of the companies stated above here who would feel the need to post against Fiat.

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why is that SWIFT from MUL having that FIAT engine on SWIFT. Its a shame.. isn't it.. with a borrowed stuff?

Would the same hold true for MUL and suzuki? Kawasaki and bajaj? hero and honda? Honda and siel? Its called joint ventures. Dont see anything wrong in that.

Most auto mags if not all are biased. Hence this thread to know the reason from prospective buyers the basis on which they choose the car. I guess we are all doing everything except this.

goldie_malhotra · 24th May 2007, 09:21

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

Ok, this is just a representation of facts printed in ACI this month. It makes me wonder WHY anyone would buy a Fiat Palio Stile 1.1:

Dont worry too much about it, dude. Only 1700 odd people tend to disagree with you every month, compared to the lakhs that agree.

Palio 1.2 (2001) might have been a good car, but its de-generate versions - the NV and the 1.1, have only gone from bad to worse in Fiats futile quest for FE. They should either bring better engines or stick to Diesel, IMHO.

View Poll Results: If in the market for a hatch, would you buy the Palio Stile 1.1?
Yes	12	23.53%
No	39	76.47%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

24th May 2007, 03:47	#16
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,716 Thanked: 319 Times View My Garage	A individual cannot tell us that Palio should not be available in Indian market or should anyone buy it or not??? After all, an individual is just one single soul among the 1 Billion people in this Country, and if he hates Palio for some reason, he can go & buy a Car that he likes! Let the rest 99.99 million people of this country decide & buy what they want! And who is ACI? A Private Auto Car Magazine publisher who will praise any Car maker who can fill their coffers to the maximum! I don't trust any figures given by Auto Car magazines, for me the owners actual figures matter the most and you can get ample of those on this very forum! I love Fiat for giving us World class car like Palio for 4 - 4.5 lacs, unlike the other favourite Car maker (MUL) who duped millions of India by selling tin boxes just for the sake of FE at the same price! And I have much more things in life to do, rather than to defend a individual's statements with facts!
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24th May 2007, 03:51	#17
1100D Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 4,390 Thanked: 4,079 Times View My Garage	What were the cars with which the Stile 1.1 was compared? Did U-VA and the GETZ feature in that comparo? I am asking this because I am unable to see the magazine.
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24th May 2007, 03:53	#18
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	I love how you have replaced my name with 'an individual'. Very imaginative, kudos to you. I have never asked you to defend my statements with facts. It is rather hard to understand what you're saying, with your oblique references and iffy grammar. At the risk of , I will repeat myself. I fail to see how the Palio is a 'world-class' car seeing as how it is only sold to the third-world. Unless you meant third-world-class car. The Swift, the Corsa Sail, the Getz, now those are truly world-class cars.
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24th May 2007, 05:44	#24
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	Whats wrong with a 3rd world car. I for one dont want to scrape my underbelly and replace bent rims. After the success of Logan and Palio (in the global sense), the latest buzzword in Auto circles is to do a car for BRIC countries. Toyota, Honda, VW and Nissan are all currently working on it.
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24th May 2007, 08:27	#25
zenx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,161 Thanked: 158 Times View My Garage	Hmm, I do think car buying is more of a subjective choice than an objective one! The Palio - in fact the whole series of Sienas, petras and palios, seem to be 40k kms cars mechanically - need work after that - but feel very solid and well built. They're not the most fuel efficient or peppy (except the 1.9D, or the 1.6) around, but an overall decent package where 'solidity' is the strongest big factor. I am not convinced by the package - but surely can see why others could be - a lot of people like 'solid' cars more than 'tinny' ones - I'm a little more convinced about crumple zones, the passenger cage etc doing their job, even on my skinny OHC. But like I said, its a 'feel' thingy and see no reason to not see why someone else might see it differently (thats a sea of see's in one sentence - pardon the construction but I haven't even had my morning cuppa). The same goes for the 'defenders' - its not really necessary to denigrate everyone else's choice and discount their reasons to justify your own - why is FE such a bad reason to lower the weight of cars ? Being primarily city runabouts (and city traffic average speeds and limits are pretty low - read an 18kmph average for Bangalore a while ago) - MUL's "tin-cans" do a marvelous job of providing affordable transportation.
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24th May 2007, 08:45	#26
spadival Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 1,773 Thanked: 26 Times View My Garage	Pretty simple actually..They cant compare apples with oranges and then come to a conclusion. They are comparing Palio which is arguably in the B+ segment with B segment cars like Xing and Spark !! Why not compare with the B+ segment cars like Getz Prime and U-VA.
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24th May 2007, 09:08	#28
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,413 Thanked: 2,517 Times	I thought that Stile 1.1 would atleast give as good as mileage as Xing, if not better.But this review says otherwise :( BTW, Autocar has a great affinity towards Santro Xing. It is a little biased if i may say so Last edited by DCEite : 24th May 2007 at 09:10.
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