The True "Premium" Hatchbacks

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 22:31

guys, the true premium hatchbacks are the upcoming Skoda Fabia, Fiat Grande Punto, Honda Jazz . These would be the real premium hatchbacks in terms of :-

Size (length and wheelbase)
Build quality
Interiors
Space and comfort
Features

and all would be priced a notch above the current B+ cars. in the 4.5 - 6 lacs bracket depending on the variants. i think these cars would really revolutionize this segment after swift and can be considered truly premium.

khanak · 10th August 2007, 22:34

WHt about the ones already here, the Chevrolet SRV and the Ford Fusion?

ac 427 · 10th August 2007, 22:38

i would exclude JAZZ from this list.

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 22:44

the chevy SRV is a great car in terms of space and comfort. but its priced way above the 4.5 - 6 lacs bracket. chevy would have to price it atleast a lac cheaper to be considered a contender. otherwise it doesnt make any sense for buying a 7.5 lac car just for space and comfort. it should also have all the other features of a premium hatchback and also should be priced lower than atleast the C+ segment cars. in terms of safety/luxury features it doesnt even compete with the swift.
this car can work only if they price it lower and add some safety/luxury features with better interiors.

Ford fusion is good car, but somehow it doesnt look like a typical hatchback and looks like a hybrid of a hatch - suv and doesnt look as good as the upcoming hot hatches in flesh.
this car might prove to be a serious contender, provided if ford comes out with a newly designed fusion.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 10th August 2007, 22:45

Contendor or not, SRV is a premium hatch too. Sales will pick up if they plonk the Magnum diesel into it.

Now, whats the point with the thread?

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 22:50

how can you exclude jazz, it is a honda city without a big boot.
it is built on the same platform
has the honda name and quality
spacious(a.l.a - honda city)
+ safety features.
What else do you want in a premium hatch.

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 22:56

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Contendor or not, SRV is a premium hatch too. Sales will pick up if they plonk the Magnum diesel into it.

Now, whats the point with the thread?

i do agree its a premium hatch but doesnt even have all the safety/luxury features a premium hatch should have now a days and that too at a price that is higher than most of the c segment cars.
it might sell well with the diesel engine, considering they keep the price at 7 lacs and lower the price of the petrol version.

theMAG · 10th August 2007, 23:00

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Originally Posted by sanchits

..and can be considered truly premium.

The concern at this stage is that they'll be in too premium a category to succeed as a segment. We would like good cars like the Grande Punto to be affordable enough that it matters to both sides - customers and mfrs.

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 23:02

hey, if you like SRV, great, you can take it as a contender.
but, as my personal opinion goes, i dont think its a viable option at that price. a "premium hatch" should have all the features considered premium.
i dont want to fight over SRV. personally i dont take SRV as an option for a premium hatch for that price and features.

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 23:09

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Originally Posted by theMAG

The concern at this stage is that they'll be in too premium a category to succeed as a segment. We would like good cars like the Grande Punto to be affordable enough that it matters to both sides - customers and mfrs.

hey, they cant price it below 4.5/5 lacs, dont compare them with the current B+ segment, lets compare them with the premium c segment cars which costs upwards of 6.5 lacs like honda city, maruti SX4, hyundai verna.
these cars would cater to the people who want cars with great build quality,features,safety, space + decent size boot(much bigger than swift) but dont want to spend upwards of 6.5/7 lacs just for a bigger boot.

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 23:13

the base models would be priced at 4.5/5 lacs for people who can compromise on safety/luxury features but would get a car with great space/comfort and build quality.

mclaren1885 · 10th August 2007, 23:14

NHC hardly comes with any safety features. Atleast in India. And going by Honda's history in India, it could be as ridiculously priced as the SRV. Would it be in contention even then?

Infact, there is no point in speculating regarding the pricing. Any of the above manufacturers can either price their cars ridiculously high or do a shocker like what Maruti did with the SX4. Until the prices come out officially, it is a pointless debate. Also, do note that Indian variants might not get even 60% of the safety features that we get abroad.

sanchits · 10th August 2007, 23:21

hey, we have to get used to higher priced hatches. otherwise we wont be able to see great hatches like VW polo or the newly launched fiat "bravo" or other great international brands coming to india with their hot hatches. Lets come out of the mindframe of a hatch being a small car and a car without boot cannot cost above 5 lacs. people have accepted swift at this price range, which is not big or spacious also has a minuscule boot.

xinome · 10th August 2007, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanchits

guys, the true premium hatchbacks are the upcoming Skoda Fabia, Fiat Grande Punto, Honda Jazz . These would be the real premium hatchbacks in terms of :-

Size (length and wheelbase)
Build quality
Interiors
Space and comfort
Features

and all would be priced a notch above the current B+ cars. in the 4.5 - 6 lacs bracket depending on the variants. i think these cars would really revolutionize this segment after swift and can be considered truly premium.

"i see, curious - confused, are you"
in true words of yoda

no no never skoda fabia in the premium segment, why would you say that!
the Punto and Jazz i-dsi is in a way different class
copies, self copies and more copies!

since everyone already speculated PREMIUM segment
only one word rises : Safety & Price

but these days who cares " kick the bucket & get it done with".

Quote:

hey, we have to get used to higher priced hatches. otherwise we wont be able to see great hatches like VW polo or the newly launched fiat "bravo"

Why?
just price them appropriately in the market and let the cars do all the talking, thats what the swift did do in the market, am i not rite!
thats the only reason why we welcomed the swift!
i wonder how many of you will welcome a 8 lakh and beyond hatch

mclaren1885 · 10th August 2007, 23:25

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Originally Posted by sanchits

hey, we have to get used to higher priced hatches.

If that is the way to look at it, then as someone mentioned the SRV also deserves a mention in the thread. After all its almost an Optra without a boot. And Optra in its segment oogles with comfort, build quality too.

10th August 2007, 22:31	#1
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	The True "Premium" Hatchbacks guys, the true premium hatchbacks are the upcoming Skoda Fabia, Fiat Grande Punto, Honda Jazz . These would be the real premium hatchbacks in terms of :- Size (length and wheelbase) Build quality Interiors Space and comfort Features and all would be priced a notch above the current B+ cars. in the 4.5 - 6 lacs bracket depending on the variants. i think these cars would really revolutionize this segment after swift and can be considered truly premium. Last edited by sanchits : 10th August 2007 at 22:36.
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10th August 2007, 22:34	#2
khanak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai/Toronto Posts: 2,799 Thanked: 268 Times View My Garage	WHt about the ones already here, the Chevrolet SRV and the Ford Fusion?
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ac 427 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,393 Thanked: 244 Times View My Garage	i would exclude JAZZ from this list.
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10th August 2007, 22:44	#4
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	the chevy SRV is a great car in terms of space and comfort. but its priced way above the 4.5 - 6 lacs bracket. chevy would have to price it atleast a lac cheaper to be considered a contender. otherwise it doesnt make any sense for buying a 7.5 lac car just for space and comfort. it should also have all the other features of a premium hatchback and also should be priced lower than atleast the C+ segment cars. in terms of safety/luxury features it doesnt even compete with the swift. this car can work only if they price it lower and add some safety/luxury features with better interiors. Ford fusion is good car, but somehow it doesnt look like a typical hatchback and looks like a hybrid of a hatch - suv and doesnt look as good as the upcoming hot hatches in flesh. this car might prove to be a serious contender, provided if ford comes out with a newly designed fusion. Last edited by sanchits : 10th August 2007 at 22:47.
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10th August 2007, 22:45	#5
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,181 Thanked: 73,506 Times View My Garage	Contendor or not, SRV is a premium hatch too. Sales will pick up if they plonk the Magnum diesel into it. Now, whats the point with the thread?
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10th August 2007, 22:50	#6
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	how can you exclude jazz, it is a honda city without a big boot. it is built on the same platform has the honda name and quality spacious(a.l.a - honda city) + safety features. What else do you want in a premium hatch.
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10th August 2007, 23:02	#9
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	hey, if you like SRV, great, you can take it as a contender. but, as my personal opinion goes, i dont think its a viable option at that price. a "premium hatch" should have all the features considered premium. i dont want to fight over SRV. personally i dont take SRV as an option for a premium hatch for that price and features.
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10th August 2007, 23:13	#11
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	the base models would be priced at 4.5/5 lacs for people who can compromise on safety/luxury features but would get a car with great space/comfort and build quality.
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mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	NHC hardly comes with any safety features. Atleast in India. And going by Honda's history in India, it could be as ridiculously priced as the SRV. Would it be in contention even then? Infact, there is no point in speculating regarding the pricing. Any of the above manufacturers can either price their cars ridiculously high or do a shocker like what Maruti did with the SX4. Until the prices come out officially, it is a pointless debate. Also, do note that Indian variants might not get even 60% of the safety features that we get abroad.
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10th August 2007, 23:21	#13
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	hey, we have to get used to higher priced hatches. otherwise we wont be able to see great hatches like VW polo or the newly launched fiat "bravo" or other great international brands coming to india with their hot hatches. Lets come out of the mindframe of a hatch being a small car and a car without boot cannot cost above 5 lacs. people have accepted swift at this price range, which is not big or spacious also has a minuscule boot.
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