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Old 14th April 2024, 12:11   #46
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Re: My diesel car crossed the 10-year mark | MCD seizes & tows away the car to a scrapping agency

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My brother got a Delhi car NOC rather quickly and got it re-registered in Jaipur. He got a new RC, new number, new high security number plate. There was no hassle as he took the services of an agent during re-registration but that is ok as long the agent charges are reasonable in lieu of time and energy you would have to spend in the RTO.
Could you please elaborate on the time required to complete the formalities as well as the total cost involved?

Did he get the car registered in Jaipur in his own name or someone else's?
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Old 14th April 2024, 16:19   #47
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Hi..

I think 31 days is also cutting it too short.

Permit me to share my experience:
1) It took me nearly a month and a half to get the NoC, this after we went through an agent/tout. This has unfortunately become another income source for some touts and officials.

Apologies for the gloomy but true picture

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Thank you for your valuable advice.

In less than 30 days , I will be placed in the same predicament in which rdhawan15 was placed.

However, my car is parked in a society complex, private parking on the border between Noida and Greater Noida. I dont think ,things would go the way it went for 'rdhawan15'. Anyways, I am trying to approach few tbhpians who showed interest in the car which is available for purchase in non-NGT rule areas.

My white Honda Accord car is on tbhpian classifieds page:
https://classifieds.team-bhp.com/buy...a/Accord.html/

Initiaiting NOC and transfer of ownership would only begin if one can get an intended buyer. Delhi and NCR dicktat of forcing such owners to cough up Rs. 10000 fine is unreasonable, additionally forcing them to give in writing via an affidavit that they will soon transfer thier vehicles to outside NGT affected rule areas ; seems as if thier intended buyers are in droves and its owners like us who are refusing to let go of vehicles. Also, the fools who are forcing owners like us write an affidavit fail to realize that the Transport authority operations are a state subject which means thier way of working, road taxation and the turn around time to achieve an outcome cognizant to the wishes of the applicant are variable and may not be in sync to the acute mortification of owners like us.

I have sought Spinny and Cars24 services in terms of selling the car. Ironically, Spinny rep. showed up in the first appointment and the end of the day call from thier team was offering a measly sum with the reasoning that this car is going straight to scrap.

Cars24 and thier atrocious service, even after 4 seperate appointments , they seem to work on thier whims and fancies and just wont send a rep.

My only hope is T-Bhpain Classifieds , otherwise I am going to visit the same unorganized second hand car dealer market from which one originally bought the vehicle.
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Old 14th April 2024, 19:07   #48
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My joy vibes knew no bounds to come to know that the OP's emotional mate (Duster) is back. Having said that, I would request the OP to do the needful at once without wasting a moment to dispose the car (opt 2, Ludhiana cousin, preferably) in order to avoid any more heart breaks.
At least OP can visit Ludhiana to meet his steed now and then whenever he finds time.
Happy for him.

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Itís always safer to keep the car elsewhere where there is no risk. Also, congratulations on getting it back must have been a stressful experience but nonetheless you got your beast back.
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I have sought Spinny and Cars24 services in terms of selling the car. Ironically, Spinny rep. showed up in the first appointment and the end of the day call from thier team was offering a measly sum with the reasoning that this car is going straight to scrap.
I will suggest visiting 10 offline dealers. 5 on one day and another 5 on the second day. These dealers would handle the transaction end to end. Do not depend on Cars24 or Spinny.

Get moving in the dealer segment. And, try to dispose off the car within the week.

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Could you please elaborate on the time required to complete the formalities as well as the total cost involved?

Did he get the car registered in Jaipur in his own name or someone else's?
Generally, if you file it online on your own, it will take up to 3 months. The car will need to be registered in the transferee name.

If you try to visit the authority, you may get the NOC sooner through a service provider.

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My joy vibes knew no bounds to come to know that the OP's emotional mate (Duster) is back. Having said that, I would request the OP to do the needful at once without wasting a moment to dispose the car (opt 2, Ludhiana cousin, preferably) in order to avoid any more heart breaks.
At least OP can visit Ludhiana to meet his steed now and then whenever he finds time.
Happy for him.
Thanks you Sir. This looks like the best option for now.

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It’s always safer to keep the car elsewhere where there is no risk. Also, congratulations on getting it back must have been a stressful experience but nonetheless you got your beast back.
Yes, it was a stressful learning experience.

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Do not want to make this thread political but in my limited understanding of law, High court cannot order policy framework, It's job is to interpret law not make it.

Secondly, Govt of NCR of Delhi works directly under LG who inurn is appointed by president based on names suggested by ministry in South block. In fact public appointed govt in Delhi cannot implement anything unless they have the blessings of Centre and LG.

Problems are random rules / Orders without proper due diligence and studies. There too they are implemented based on how much money one can make.

In Op's case, if he goes via rules, he still have time on his side to save his car. His car was not plying on road but was in his private property. Within Delhi, there are many abandoned cars hogging public places which need scrapping in real but they never get picked up as they hold no value to scrapper. Realty is that these car scrap vendors works in cahoots with authorities and take away healthy cars for free before showing them as scrapped on paper but in realty these cars often end up in remote areas with new paper or parts gets sold at handsome rate thus earning profits for the those in power.
As Shreyans says there's no such thing as a "govt of ncr". This current enforcement is based on a Ngt order from 2014, the NGT as formed in 2010 is a statutory body and it's rulings are binding.

Moving on, "south bloc" has all those ministries which I listed, not even one of those have anything to do with anything pertaining to this law and it's subsequent enforcement.

The mechanism for enforcement, appellate authorities etc in this case is ENTIRELY within the ambit of the State Govt of Delhi.

Lastly the timelines are very well known and the OP messed it up entirely. Is the law silly? Yes. Did the state govt of Delhi make it a dystopian hell to claim his car back? Yes but are they duty bound to enforce it? Yes. Does the GoI (central govt) in particular South bloc (Finance, External Affairs, Defense, Home) have anything to do with it? No.

I too do not wish to make it a political thread as it's against BHP rules but my only humble submission is, we need to be aware of our own country, it's policies, it's enforcement mechanisms, making loose unverified statements, esp in an otherwise objective and fact driven forum like this is not advisable.
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Re: My diesel car crossed the 10-year mark | MCD seizes & tows away the car to a scrapping agency

He got it registered in his own name.
you may DM me and we will take it forward.

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Could you please elaborate on the time required to complete the formalities as well as the total cost involved?

Did he get the car registered in Jaipur in his own name or someone else's?
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As Shreyans says there's no such thing as a "govt of ncr". This current enforcement is based on a Ngt order from 2014, the NGT as formed in 2010 is a statutory body and it's rulings are binding.
Agree. should have used "govt of Delhi" than NCR.

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Moving on, "south bloc" has all those ministries which I listed, not even one of those have anything to do with anything pertaining to this law and it's subsequent enforcement.

The mechanism for enforcement, appellate authorities etc in this case is ENTIRELY within the ambit of the State Govt of Delhi.
NGT was formed by Central Government of India on October 18, 2010. Now I know that it's people's representative in parliament so clearly govt is not responsible for actions of NGT. basically, People choose to create a pseudo self autonomous body who is answerable to no one and create any random rule which gets applied selectively by state govt officers. This also means that since NGT was created by Central govt, it holds zero responsibility/accountability for the selective implementation of law by state govts and govt officials.

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Lastly the timelines are very well known and the OP messed it up entirely. Is the law silly? Yes. Did the state govt of Delhi make it a dystopian hell to claim his car back? Yes but are they duty bound to enforce it? Yes. Does the GoI (central govt) in particular South bloc (Finance, External Affairs, Defense, Home) have anything to do with it? No.
Agree. OP messed up badly with timing. He did not followed the rule as laid out but same rule also gives a way out as well to him for which he is seeking help on forum. As much authorities are duty bound to enforce law, they are also duty bound to help the affected person as well if he is looking for a relief within the ambit of law but here it's being selectively applied to him and he is being denied relief as mandated by same NGT & HC.

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I too do not wish to make it a political thread as it's against BHP rules but my only humble submission is, we need to be aware of our own country, it's policies, it's enforcement mechanisms, making loose unverified statements, esp in an otherwise objective and fact driven forum like this is not advisable.
Thanks for the advice. Problem for country like ours is that one hand creates the rule and other implements it. When it comes to accountability, both hands keep shuttling pax between themselves completely unaware that they are part of same body. Ultimately, people like me choose to cite policies and procedure to justify for our own failures & resign to the fact that no one is responsible and it's a making off our own mis-deeds. Something OP is facing these days.

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Gods, finally, smiled.

I got my Renault Duster (Sandy) released from the Nirvana scrappers' scrapyard in Baghpat.
Congratulations on getting your car back.

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I seek your suggestions in waiting for either:

a) converting the Duster into electric mode (I know it is difficult)

or

b) send it over to my wife's cousin in Ludhiana.
would suggest to go for option B. Do not drive the car though on the way to Ludhiana. Just hire a mover and packer to move the car in container. you never know when a traffic cop or transport dept. official stops you on the way and issue a challan or confiscate your car again for plying it without valid papers. No amount of reasoning works with them how ever good it is.

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Initiaiting NOC and transfer of ownership would only begin if one can get an intended buyer. Delhi and NCR dicktat of forcing such owners to cough up Rs. 10000 fine is unreasonable..
Hi

Can relate to your predicament.

If your car's 10/15 years related limit expires in less than a month, then would it matter if you apply for a NoC now or later (once you've a buyer)? I believe, in any case you may have to get a NoC before the end of the 10/15 years limit, to avoid post expiry (period) related complications.

Hope it all works for you

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in any case you may have to get a NoC before the end of the 10/15 years limit, to avoid post expiry (period) related complications.
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Assuming that OP have not found a buyer and is not aware where his car will be headed, can he still apply for NOC. Is it that with a NOC, he can sell car anywhere in India or it's typically state specific NOC that dept issues.
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Assuming that OP have not found a buyer and is not aware where his car will be headed, can he still apply for NOC. Is it that with a NOC, he can sell car anywhere in India or it's typically state specific NOC that dept issues.
The NOC must contain the details of the RTO where the car will be re-registered. At least for NCR that is a mandate, so buyer details have to be shared with NOC application (ID/address proof etc.)
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Assuming that OP have not found a buyer and is not aware where his car will be headed, can he still apply for NOC. Is it that with a NOC, he can sell car anywhere in India or it's typically state specific NOC that dept issues.
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The application has to mention the location/RTO it is going to.

However, as we went through an agent, he ensured the final RTO details were updated when they changed. This approach was suggested by him, as the application was then in the NoC process/queue with an option to change/update the location till the end. In hindsight, the above saved us a lot of time, and helped circumvent many unexpected nuances/delays (like holidays, officer on leave, clerk on leave, system not working, etc).

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Re: My diesel car crossed the 10-year mark | MCD seizes & tows away the car to a scrapping agency

It's great news and also soothing to learn that your Duster could be retrieved and is back under your ownership.

My conclusions are that be it either Nirvana Scrappers or Moksha Scrappers or RIP Scrappers, maybe they have a few good souls within, basically their bread and butter is fully dependent on the number of cars they impound every day. Rarely does anyone slog it out to meet officials and scrappers for getting back the towed/seized car. Its passion that gravitates us towards the "wrongdoers" , pleading with them to get our wheels back.

Those mandatory charges are deliberately jacked up to benefit all concerned. The nexus between MCD and the Scrappers is an open secret.

The Scrapper's equipments starve if these are underfed or malnourished. Hence the nexus ensures that both gain a lot at the cost of the car owner.

As regards making your car an EV or handing it over to a relative, you're the best judge. In case a relative gets possession you need to get an assurance from him that the car will be with him for at least 5 or 10 years.
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This video provides similar clarity to what has been posted in this thread. Posting it for the benefit of bhpians...
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Hi,

I am in a similar situation as OP. I am based in Delhi and I have a diesel car and it is 1 year from expiring. I intend to keep the car in my private parking space as I have ample space in parking. The intention is to keep the car for future use in other state and I am too emotionally attached to the car to let go as selling it will only reap very less value.

Since my car will be parked in a private parking inside my house away from public eyes, do I still need to get the Affidavit and submit it to MCD so that they don't come and tow away the car?

Also for future when I need to use the car in other state will I be able to get the NOC to transfer the car?

Also do I need to submit the Affidavit now or should I wait for expiration date?
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