Jeep re-registration woes: road tax Rs.15.8K

yamaniac · 11th September 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Does anyone have an invoice of 1994 CJ340 DP, I would really appreciate a copy.

Samurai,
There is a person in Mangalore who owns a CJ340. Remember the post of Buying a cj3b. THE STORY. Yes the same person who still owns that jeep. But its puttur registered. I don't think he will talk to me after i quoted the price for his 40 year old jeep. But if you like I could PM you his number and you might want to have a word with him. Although its not a 1994 model. He might have a few contacts who do have and might be willing to help.

Samurai · 11th September 2008, 12:37

Does he have 1994 CJ340? the older model invoice won't help, but newer would help. But there was no CJ340 after 1994. That is what making this registration so tough.

I have sought help through many contacts, nothing has come to fruit so far.

yamaniac · 11th September 2008, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

Does he have 1994 CJ340? the older model invoice won't help, but newer would help. But there was no CJ340 after 1994. That is what making this registration so tough.

I have sought help through many contacts, nothing has come to fruit so far.

No its not a 1994 cj340 is much older. But I had come across a willys again here which was Kerala registered. I had asked the owner if the vehicle so old can be re registered interstate. FOr which he said was that he has an NOC and can be done within 7000. But I did not want to take any chances running around the RTO.
Is your vehicle a TN registered? if yes? does it have an No objection certificate? If you do! then the state should re register your vehicle with out any hassles. The only thing that should matter to them in this case is that the vehicle must have paid its life time tax there in TN, during its existance in that state. Have you checked out at the Mangalore RTO? I have a couple of official contacts there. If you want I can find out.

Samurai · 11th September 2008, 18:24

Yes, I do have a NOC in my name. But they are still insisting on a price statement of a 1994 or newer CJ340 DP.

nitrous · 11th September 2008, 18:55

I feel a little grinning and scratching your head will help with the RTO.

If not, See if you can come up with any social connection with any of the inspectors or the RTO and they themselves will give you the solution and don't forget to thank them in the right way for future needs

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BaCkSeAtDrIVeR · 11th September 2008, 20:14

@yamaniac, the problem is not registration itself, but taxation. I do not see how the NoC itself will help here. SInce vehicle taxation is a purely State subject, the law will vary from state to state. KA has this crazy rule, whereby vehicles being re-registered too should lifetime tax. It is crazy, because afaict, no other state insists on lifetime tax for re-registration.

Edit:- would not a sale deed showing the current market price help? I think somebody suggested this before.

nutmello · 11th September 2008, 20:28

hi, i had a similar issue when i went for taking new regestration for fiat siena ( bought from kerala). since the original invoice ( i had got from seller) was for 8,48,000 ( 2001 model 1.6 ELX), i asked the clerk at Mysore RTO office why this is needed. he said he has to calculate the raod tax. i asked him what if i do not have invoice, then he pulled out a chart with x and y colm and saw the year of manufacture in RC book, on x axis, CC of engine in Y axis and assessed it at Rs 15600.00. in case i had given invoice, it would come to about 20,000 +.

Samurai · 11th September 2008, 20:35

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Originally Posted by nutmello

i asked him what if i do not have invoice, then he pulled out a chart with x and y colm and saw the year of manufacture in RC book, on x axis, CC of engine in Y axis and assessed it at Rs 15600.00. in case i had given invoice, it would come to about 20,000 +.

This is the problem exactly. In Udupi RTO, they don't want to entertain no invoice scenerio.

nutmello · 11th September 2008, 20:41

hi, its true in mysore as well, initially the clerk asked me to get the invoice, or a letter from authorised showroom, or some proof of orginal amount. this they say is needed as at the end of the year, AG audit will catch them and they will ahve to send a demand notice by reg post to new owner etc, so to avoid such issues, they do insist on invoice. but then i insisted on that guy to do something. only after i requested him he pulled out that chart and wrote the amount. this costed me Rs 500 tips. i think, you can also try my way, but best bet would be to talk to a agent. they will cahrge another 300 more max. my story is only 2 months old.

Samurai · 12th September 2008, 20:17

I got a price certificate from the local dealer for a 1998 CL340 DP, I hope RTO will accept it considering it is the improved model of the same Jeep.

MuraliR · 13th September 2008, 10:36

Last month's Autocar India has an article of a person in the Eastern part of India, with about 45 jeeps - and some extremely old too.

Maybe if you can try to get in touch with him and seek support.

Samurai · 13th September 2008, 14:21

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Originally Posted by MuraliR

Last month's Autocar India has an article of a person in the Eastern part of India, with about 45 jeeps - and some extremely old too.

Maybe if you can try to get in touch with him and seek support.

You are referring to Uday Bhan Singh who is a member here. I think this is almost resolved now, I will be submitting the documents on Monday.

Samurai · 16th September 2008, 17:51

Today morning I submitted the papers for re-registration. Just 5 minutes back I got the road tax assessment.

Since I couldn't get 1994 invoice, I gave them the price statement of a 1998 CL340, which was around Rs.3,56,000. After depreciating the the value for 14 years from this amount, and applying 12%, they have set the road tax at Rs.15825/-

I am quite shocked, Rs.15,825/- life time road tax for a 14 year old Jeep?

According to this document: http://rto.kar.nic.in/Taxation%20Ame...0TO%202007.pdf

It should be 10% LLT and 33% is the depreciated value from 3.56L. That should be 11.7K at the most. If I had access to the 1994 invoice or price statement, I could have saved few more thousands.

phamilyman · 17th September 2008, 00:27

What the ....

I am speechless.

What is it with Karnataka RTO? I need to revaluate lotsa things before I'd ever move to karnataka - like selling the vehicles upfront. useless headache.

Samurai · 17th September 2008, 07:31

Actually the LTT rate has been going up in the last few years, as the road quality has been going down.

Does anyone know from where they are getting 12% LTT rate, has it gone up recently?

Since the local roads are closer to off-road trail and may be they know my Jeep is for off-roading, so they are charging special rate.

11th September 2008, 12:37	#17
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,832 Thanked: 45,618 Times View My Garage	Does he have 1994 CJ340? the older model invoice won't help, but newer would help. But there was no CJ340 after 1994. That is what making this registration so tough. I have sought help through many contacts, nothing has come to fruit so far.
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11th September 2008, 18:24	#19
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,832 Thanked: 45,618 Times View My Garage	Yes, I do have a NOC in my name. But they are still insisting on a price statement of a 1994 or newer CJ340 DP.
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11th September 2008, 18:55	#20
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	I feel a little grinning and scratching your head will help with the RTO. If not, See if you can come up with any social connection with any of the inspectors or the RTO and they themselves will give you the solution and don't forget to thank them in the right way for future needs .
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11th September 2008, 20:14	#21
BaCkSeAtDrIVeR BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 2,522 Thanked: 752 Times	@yamaniac, the problem is not registration itself, but taxation. I do not see how the NoC itself will help here. SInce vehicle taxation is a purely State subject, the law will vary from state to state. KA has this crazy rule, whereby vehicles being re-registered too should lifetime tax. It is crazy, because afaict, no other state insists on lifetime tax for re-registration. Edit:- would not a sale deed showing the current market price help? I think somebody suggested this before. Last edited by BaCkSeAtDrIVeR : 11th September 2008 at 20:20.
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11th September 2008, 20:28	#22
nutmello BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: mysore Posts: 102 Thanked: 175 Times	hi, i had a similar issue when i went for taking new regestration for fiat siena ( bought from kerala). since the original invoice ( i had got from seller) was for 8,48,000 ( 2001 model 1.6 ELX), i asked the clerk at Mysore RTO office why this is needed. he said he has to calculate the raod tax. i asked him what if i do not have invoice, then he pulled out a chart with x and y colm and saw the year of manufacture in RC book, on x axis, CC of engine in Y axis and assessed it at Rs 15600.00. in case i had given invoice, it would come to about 20,000 +.
	() Thanks

11th September 2008, 20:41	#24
nutmello BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: mysore Posts: 102 Thanked: 175 Times	hi, its true in mysore as well, initially the clerk asked me to get the invoice, or a letter from authorised showroom, or some proof of orginal amount. this they say is needed as at the end of the year, AG audit will catch them and they will ahve to send a demand notice by reg post to new owner etc, so to avoid such issues, they do insist on invoice. but then i insisted on that guy to do something. only after i requested him he pulled out that chart and wrote the amount. this costed me Rs 500 tips. i think, you can also try my way, but best bet would be to talk to a agent. they will cahrge another 300 more max. my story is only 2 months old.
	() Thanks

12th September 2008, 20:17	#25
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,832 Thanked: 45,618 Times View My Garage	I got a price certificate from the local dealer for a 1998 CL340 DP, I hope RTO will accept it considering it is the improved model of the same Jeep.
	() Thanks

13th September 2008, 10:36	#26
MuraliR BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 361 Thanked: 35 Times	Last month's Autocar India has an article of a person in the Eastern part of India, with about 45 jeeps - and some extremely old too. Maybe if you can try to get in touch with him and seek support.
	() Thanks

16th September 2008, 17:51	#28
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,832 Thanked: 45,618 Times View My Garage	Today morning I submitted the papers for re-registration. Just 5 minutes back I got the road tax assessment. Since I couldn't get 1994 invoice, I gave them the price statement of a 1998 CL340, which was around Rs.3,56,000. After depreciating the the value for 14 years from this amount, and applying 12%, they have set the road tax at Rs.15825/- I am quite shocked, Rs.15,825/- life time road tax for a 14 year old Jeep? According to this document: http://rto.kar.nic.in/Taxation%20Ame...0TO%202007.pdf It should be 10% LLT and 33% is the depreciated value from 3.56L. That should be 11.7K at the most. If I had access to the 1994 invoice or price statement, I could have saved few more thousands. Last edited by Samurai : 16th September 2008 at 18:14.
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17th September 2008, 00:27	#29
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,968 Thanked: 4,642 Times	What the .... I am speechless. What is it with Karnataka RTO? I need to revaluate lotsa things before I'd ever move to karnataka - like selling the vehicles upfront. useless headache.
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17th September 2008, 07:31	#30
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,832 Thanked: 45,618 Times View My Garage	Actually the LTT rate has been going up in the last few years, as the road quality has been going down. Does anyone know from where they are getting 12% LTT rate, has it gone up recently? Since the local roads are closer to off-road trail and may be they know my Jeep is for off-roading, so they are charging special rate.
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