(W)onderbox (A)gain (G)ets (O)utright (N)eedful (R)ecreational upgrade

sidindica · 29th July 2009, 19:57

All new Maruti Suzuki Wagon R 1.1 KB-preliminary details

Expected Launch Date-April/ mid 2010

Based on extended A-star platform developed specifically for India

Estimated Dimensions

Length: 3600 mm
width: 1600 mm
wheelbase: 2380 mm-2400 mm
height: 1640 mm
ground clearence: 165 mm
front track: 1405 mm
rear track: 1410 mm

engine specs:

Euro 4 all aluminium 16v DOHC KB series engine

1100 cc
68 ps-75 ps (est)
about 10.2 kg-m torque
4 cylinders
DDLI ignition
drive by wire

transmission:

5 speed manual
4-speed automatic

Steering:

Newly developed EPS with speed sensitive ratios
rack and pinion, power steering

Suspension:

Front: McPherson strut with coil spring and torsion type anti-roll bar (larger as compared to current model)
rear: isolated trailing arm with 3-link rigid coil springs
all 4 gas filled telescopic shockers

Brakes:

front: ventilated disc
rear: drum, self adjusting
ABS optional on top models

Tyres and wheels

13 inch steel wheels
155/80 R 13 or 175/70 R 13 in top models

others:

3 varients planned in petrol
no details available about LPG option
top model will have ABS, airbags, remote keyless entry, power adjust OSRVM, stereo with CD and aux-in, alloys, rear wiper with defogger, parcel tray etc.
60:40 split seat on all models
base model will have body coloured bumpers, AC and power steering
mid level model is expected to have tachometer, central locking, 4 door power windows, wheel caps etc.

Estimated price range: 3,50,000-4,50,000

Test vehicles will be ready by this fall. Spy photographers, be alert!

(Note: Information is preliminary and may be subject to change without prior notice)

harry10 · 29th July 2009, 20:26

Seems Maruti is launching it primarily to give competition to i10.
Nice scoop again!

mnhegde · 29th July 2009, 20:27

Great scoop Sid. Nice to know about the new Wagon. Wheelbase, width have been increased . Top end variant seems to have got good features. Automatic option is a great idea . Waiting for the pics now.

sammyboy · 29th July 2009, 20:29

Nice scoop again Sid. Any idea what it might look like ? I mean will the shape remain the same or will it be all new like the Zen (this one was for the worse though ).
I am not a big fan of the regular WagonR's looks, though its a good vehicle no doubt.

DCEite · 29th July 2009, 20:53

This is one *proper* upgrade the good old wagonR deserved for long.
More width and wheelbase increase is most welcome, as is the new and hopefully much more refined K series engine.
I really think that there isn't a true successor to WagonR in the market, given the immense practicality, not even the Ritz. This upgrade is a good news for the admirers of this small little "Wonderbox"

Sunilrj · 29th July 2009, 21:12

Sid! the Suave 007 of Tbhp! thanks for the scoop!! we already have our cameras out to shoot the unnatural happenings!

BaCkSeAtDrIVeR · 29th July 2009, 21:23

Sid, I loved the headline, but the list does not look like a mere "recreational" upgrade, unless you read it like this "re - creation".

What does this mean?

Quote:

Based on extended A-star platform developed specifically for India

Otherwise, looks like an all new engine, some accessories which are available only in the top variant pushed down to the mid level variant, and a 4 speed AT, (against the 3 speed, which is currently available).

What exactly is "drive by wire"?

I would have loved an ABS + airbags option for all variants.

mail4ajo · 29th July 2009, 21:54

I hope they revamp the transmission too. It is the most cursed component of the car.

AyAn! · 29th July 2009, 22:05

Except for the 800 and Omni(soon to be phased out),its heartening to see that Maruti has all classy cars in its line-up.

d3mon · 29th July 2009, 22:05

I am not so sure about the engine.

I don't think maruti has any plans to develop a 1.1L KB series engine when it already has a 1.0 and a 1.2 in place.

If the Zen Estilo (same as the wagonR under the skin) is getting the 1.0L KB engine, then I think it makes no sense to put a new engine in the wagonR.

aaggoswami · 29th July 2009, 22:50

Excellent. I think this model is called YR9. Maruti is also developing a car to slot below Alto and the code is YE3. Both these information are from ACI August issue.

About this car, Maruti can make it real big if they plan it properly and mainly price it properly. I hope that the KB series engine is not making the cost go up too much. If wheelbase is 2400mm, it would be larger than Swift IIRC.
The only thing that worries me is whether this car will be a genuine replacement or not. Wagon R uses space very well, even better than Jazz. I am yet to come across a car that is as space efficient as Wagon R. Ritz is not the car that can take this crown.
With the wheelbase longer than present, we can hope Maruti uses the available space efficiently.

Any news on diesel version ? I hope they come up with a diesel too.

tanwaramit · 30th July 2009, 09:38

KB series engine on WagonR too. That seems to be the best thing to kill the competition. Hyundai anyway hasnt produced good effect of mileage due to their Kappa engines as claimed by SRK. This seems to be similar specs as A Star so the mileage could be as similar around 18kmpl. I am impressed.

indivic · 30th July 2009, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaCkSeAtDrIVeR

What exactly is "drive by wire"?

It means that there is no physical link between the engine and accelerator pedal, i.e no throttle cable in the traditional sense.

Electronic throttle control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mjothi · 30th July 2009, 11:05

ha, one more scoop from sid. Great. Will it be competing with i10? Time to wait!

romeomidhun · 30th July 2009, 12:46

Sid, another super scooper...
Is the engine a modified one from Ritz's K12M? Or from A-Star's K10B? Why Maruti is betting on different engines with small difference in displacement like 1L, 1.1L, and 1.2L?

Also, any change in the external design?

29th July 2009, 19:57	#1
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,902 Thanked: 8,348 Times	(W)onderbox (A)gain (G)ets (O)utright (N)eedful (R)ecreational upgrade All new Maruti Suzuki Wagon R 1.1 KB-preliminary details Expected Launch Date-April/ mid 2010 Based on extended A-star platform developed specifically for India Estimated Dimensions Length: 3600 mm width: 1600 mm wheelbase: 2380 mm-2400 mm height: 1640 mm ground clearence: 165 mm front track: 1405 mm rear track: 1410 mm engine specs: Euro 4 all aluminium 16v DOHC KB series engine 1100 cc 68 ps-75 ps (est) about 10.2 kg-m torque 4 cylinders DDLI ignition drive by wire transmission: 5 speed manual 4-speed automatic Steering: Newly developed EPS with speed sensitive ratios rack and pinion, power steering Suspension: Front: McPherson strut with coil spring and torsion type anti-roll bar (larger as compared to current model) rear: isolated trailing arm with 3-link rigid coil springs all 4 gas filled telescopic shockers Brakes: front: ventilated disc rear: drum, self adjusting ABS optional on top models Tyres and wheels 13 inch steel wheels 155/80 R 13 or 175/70 R 13 in top models others: 3 varients planned in petrol no details available about LPG option top model will have ABS, airbags, remote keyless entry, power adjust OSRVM, stereo with CD and aux-in, alloys, rear wiper with defogger, parcel tray etc. 60:40 split seat on all models base model will have body coloured bumpers, AC and power steering mid level model is expected to have tachometer, central locking, 4 door power windows, wheel caps etc. Estimated price range: 3,50,000-4,50,000 Test vehicles will be ready by this fall. Spy photographers, be alert! (Note: Information is preliminary and may be subject to change without prior notice)
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29th July 2009, 20:26	#2
harry10 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Faridabad/Delhi Posts: 2,743 Thanked: 4,100 Times View My Garage	Seems Maruti is launching it primarily to give competition to i10. Nice scoop again!
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29th July 2009, 20:27	#3
mnhegde BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: B E N G A L U R U Posts: 473 Thanked: 2 Times	Great scoop Sid. Nice to know about the new Wagon. Wheelbase, width have been increased . Top end variant seems to have got good features. Automatic option is a great idea . Waiting for the pics now.
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29th July 2009, 20:29	#4
sammyboy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ggn/Dehradun Posts: 1,842 Thanked: 526 Times View My Garage	Nice scoop again Sid. Any idea what it might look like ? I mean will the shape remain the same or will it be all new like the Zen (this one was for the worse though ). I am not a big fan of the regular WagonR's looks, though its a good vehicle no doubt.
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29th July 2009, 20:53	#5
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,590 Thanked: 3,483 Times	This is one proper upgrade the good old wagonR deserved for long. More width and wheelbase increase is most welcome, as is the new and hopefully much more refined K series engine. I really think that there isn't a true successor to WagonR in the market, given the immense practicality, not even the Ritz. This upgrade is a good news for the admirers of this small little "Wonderbox"
	() Thanks

29th July 2009, 21:12	#6
Sunilrj BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mangalore Posts: 774 Thanked: 590 Times	Sid! the Suave 007 of Tbhp! thanks for the scoop!! we already have our cameras out to shoot the unnatural happenings!
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29th July 2009, 21:54	#8
mail4ajo Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,959 Thanked: 337 Times View My Garage	I hope they revamp the transmission too. It is the most cursed component of the car.
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29th July 2009, 22:05	#9
AyAn! Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Durgapur/Calcutta/Pune Posts: 2,169 Thanked: 872 Times	Except for the 800 and Omni(soon to be phased out),its heartening to see that Maruti has all classy cars in its line-up.
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29th July 2009, 22:05	#10
d3mon BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 980 Thanked: 4,880 Times	I am not so sure about the engine. I don't think maruti has any plans to develop a 1.1L KB series engine when it already has a 1.0 and a 1.2 in place. If the Zen Estilo (same as the wagonR under the skin) is getting the 1.0L KB engine, then I think it makes no sense to put a new engine in the wagonR.
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29th July 2009, 22:50	#11
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,997 Thanked: 3,000 Times	Excellent. I think this model is called YR9. Maruti is also developing a car to slot below Alto and the code is YE3. Both these information are from ACI August issue. About this car, Maruti can make it real big if they plan it properly and mainly price it properly. I hope that the KB series engine is not making the cost go up too much. If wheelbase is 2400mm, it would be larger than Swift IIRC. The only thing that worries me is whether this car will be a genuine replacement or not. Wagon R uses space very well, even better than Jazz. I am yet to come across a car that is as space efficient as Wagon R. Ritz is not the car that can take this crown. With the wheelbase longer than present, we can hope Maruti uses the available space efficiently. Any news on diesel version ? I hope they come up with a diesel too.
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30th July 2009, 09:38	#12
tanwaramit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dilwalon ki Dilli Posts: 1,943 Thanked: 514 Times	KB series engine on WagonR too. That seems to be the best thing to kill the competition. Hyundai anyway hasnt produced good effect of mileage due to their Kappa engines as claimed by SRK. This seems to be similar specs as A Star so the mileage could be as similar around 18kmpl. I am impressed.
	() Thanks

30th July 2009, 11:05	#14
mjothi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,290 Thanked: 233 Times View My Garage	ha, one more scoop from sid. Great. Will it be competing with i10? Time to wait!
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30th July 2009, 12:46	#15
romeomidhun BANNED Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: IN Posts: 3,381 Thanked: 5,460 Times	Sid, another super scooper... Is the engine a modified one from Ritz's K12M? Or from A-Star's K10B? Why Maruti is betting on different engines with small difference in displacement like 1L, 1.1L, and 1.2L? Also, any change in the external design?
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