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Originally Posted by normally_crazy does that mean that if a car is built for generous sized people , offering them comfortable ride and great FE while carrying the whole family - you should expect pathetic quality of materials used inside ? we are inside the car while we drive and the least we expect is some acceptable quality of interior materials. the interiors of a brand new car that Ported has described - would you take it , if you got 17 kmpl with great ride quality and good interior space ?? |
The quality of materials is functional, not exactly pathetic. I am not justifying the Indicas interiors and I have said this is one area they are yet to work on (after having worked on the mechanicals and the exterior). However, for the average family buying their first car, the colour or quality of the interior is not exactly on top of their priority list and this car has addressed their priorities. Like I said, they need competition to push them to do other things they are capable of.
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Originally Posted by ported_head It was just supposed to justify it's 4.5 lakh price tag, which it failed to, miserably. 7 years back, maybe, they have had enough time to get their tooling right, and choose the right component supplier and do away with quality issues.
I just have an eye for detail. BTW, that doesn't sound right coming from somebody who drives a Brabus Smart. |
Well, about a 100,000 people every year seem to think that its Pros are worth the 4.5 lakhs over the Cons that you have pointed out. See how your dad was beaming - obviously he is the one putting the money down and therefore he is happy. The point is that
Your priorities are different - instead of trying to change the Indica, you should look for another car when you are putting your money down.
As for the Smart Brabus - I bought the CONCEPT of an ultra-small, two seater, convertible, fuel efficient, rear engine city runabout which comes with all features like ESP, ABS, TCS, EBD and a six-speed Tiptonic gearbox and is as fun to drive as a Go-kart - NOT THE NAME!
I dont have a clue as to who made the dials or the gearshift knob on this car or any other that I own....
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Originally Posted by RJK Right. So that should justify the horrible engine & useless transmission. |
The transmission is jelly-like in feel but you dont get mis-shifts. For the market it addresses, function is more important than feel. As for the engine, it is detuned and needs to be revved to pull - it is NOT a horrible engine by any yardstick. In fact, as an engine its pretty good as it seems to last quite a distance and take a lot of punishment.
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Originally Posted by RJK & then people forget the original purpose of the car & drive it like a WRC car on the roads at night |
They do?????????? I didnt think that was physically possible!
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Originally Posted by 2fast4u Pls enlighten me if the EURO III Diesel really makes all that noise which i have read from many magazines. |
As ported_head said, the Indica is quieter on the inside than it is on the outside, as the noise levels are quite tolerable for a diesel. Dont take what you read in the mags for gospel truth - if all of India did that, the cars selling today wouldnt be and those that are out of the market would be the big sellers! They have they own agenda to push and they also tend to get emotional about vehicles and worse yet - try to push their 'favourites' blindly.
Test drive one and decide whether you like it. Else, hire one of the numerous Indica cabs and find out for yourself. Simple as that!
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Originally Posted by RJK They run a Tata Indica to the ground for 2 years or 50,000 kms, whichever comes first and then sell it. R
eason, their not mine, the car almost falls apart. |
Not amongst the Indica owners I know - their cars have held up well for much longer. A friend of mine also operates a taxi business and I've seen his Indicas last well beyond 100,000...
Whats the second hand market for an Indica like? If that market is strong, it shows that the car has takers even if pre-owned, which means it must be lasting...
This debate can go on for ever. However, my original posting sums it up:
1. The car addresses the requirements of a market, which seems to be accepting about 10,000 of them every month. Obviously the pros must outweigh the cons for that market.
2. Tatas have not had competition, and hence may have become a bit complacent. However, RX135's views on the various improvements to the Indica are an indication that they are working on the car - perhaps not fast enough.
3. We hear that Tatas are readying a lineup of Common Rail diesels - when these come, I'm sure the performance issue will be addressed. However, the accent will certainly be on fuel-efficiency as that is the market they are addressing. Yes, they could be a bit more proactive and perhaps offer the 70bhp intercooled engine on the Euro III Indigo with the top-end Indica - the point is, will they get more customers for these vehicles than they would for additional units of the original that they could have built with the same capacity at a lower cost? I doubt it.