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Originally Posted by pmbabu 3 items that were missing in NHC are now available in ANHC - awesome looks (in my opinion), best power in class and good safety features across all variants. |
Spot on!
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Among the items that it carries forward (from its old generation NHC) is the interior SPACE. Based on my experience/observation - there is no one who packs better space inside the car better than Honda.
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It's the Japanese who boast excellence in packaging.
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Within the city, at parking speeds, it has got the best (read as light) steering and small turning radius - something that is a whole lot useful within the city where most of the usage is (for average customer).
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Yet another advantage of the ANHC : It has the lightest controls within the city and the best gearbox.
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Originally Posted by iTNerd Yes, your analysis is spot on. |
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Originally Posted by pmbabu I would add "as always" to that sentence! |
Thanks guys.
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Originally Posted by benbsb29 GTO, when comparing the C segmenters, why was the Fiesta left out? It may be short of interior space, but the goodies it packs along with the S variant make the others feel overpriced. |
The Fiesta's size & pricing makes it more of a competitor to the Dzire than the larger Citys, Lineas, Vernas and SX4s. The interior confines are seriously limited. But sure, if you insist, I can work out a comparo including the Fiesta.
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Originally Posted by mkc15 I'm curious to know your analysis on New Civic pricing as well. |
In terms of sheer value, features & practicality, the Altis is definitely king of the C+ segment. Want me to run up a similar comparo of that market segment too?
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Originally Posted by vasudeva However, let us consider the fact that the higher the premium of Honda over others, the lower will be the number of people who will see value in paying that premium. |
Correct, but it is up to the manufacturer to tilt profits vis a vis sales units. And the ANHC is currently the leader within its segment, so obviously the market does see tremendous value in the city. Heck, each city right from the OHCs times has been a best seller. There is a reason why guys like us are still driving around in 7 year old OHCs with no upgrade plans for another 3 - 4 years. How many cars make you feel good for 10 years, newer competition be damned?
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For example, if City was priced at the same value as Fiesta, SX4, Verna etc; then perhaps the latter car models would soon be out of production.
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City can command a premium because of various factors.
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It is not a factor exclusive to India, is it? Worldwide, Honda & Toyota command a premium for their engineering, brand & durability. I've even seen this in the states where brands like Hyundai will offer the same size + more features for a lesser price.
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Originally Posted by CBlazer I agree. I'm pretty unhappy with the way Honda goes about skimping on features, just because they can command the kind of premium. Forget ACC, alloys or fog lamps. It took them one year to re-launch the City SMT with better quality interiors. I'm sure they didn't need customer feedback to launch a car with good quality interiors in the 8-9L price point. |
Honda was pretty shocked by the criticism toward the ANHC's original interior quality. I do hope they start providing climate control & alloy wheels across the board ASAP!
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Originally Posted by asr245 I read from someone here that getting alloys from outside voids the warranty from Honda and getting alloys from Honda costs about Rs11000 for one (which of course doesn't void warranty). |
I'm not entirely sure of that. I've upgraded to alloy wheels for most purchased cars over the past decade (starting with the Esteem in '96), yet have never been rejected a warranty claim. Not even in the extended option.
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Don't know about that. For an owner like my dad (who has an 2001 OHC VTEC at 1.3L+ kms), he's spent more than a lakh on service and running repairs.
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Rs. 1.0 lakh for 1.3 lakh kms is pretty reasonable, if you are including suspension overhauls, brake jobs, clutch, timing belt change, tyres etc. How about putting up a detailed chart on the service cost thread so we can evaluate? Either ways, without a doubt, Hondas have the cheapest upkeep cost in India. Just ask Ajmat, his Vtec cost lesser to service than his wifes Maruti.
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Originally Posted by musicvj Probably this should be a separate thread instead of being buried under this crib. This would be of great help to first time buyers IMHO. Please move this to a separate thread |
Will do.
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Originally Posted by psp62in The fact remains that despite the higher price ANHC remains the higest selling sedan in its segment. That means that the market considers City a good buy at its current price.
In other words, its is for the Market to say if a particular product is overpriced or not. |
At the end of the day, its the masses that decide the true meaning of value.
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Originally Posted by vishaltanksale Obviously there will be those loyal Honda fans or those who buy for brand will go with ANHC. |
The Jazz has proven that the "H" bad is not enough. That's the BIGGEST misconception. While the badge may count to an extend in this segment, it is the product that really cuts the cheque.
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EDIT - Just remembered, City still lacks few basic things like ground clearance, under sized rubbers.
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No doubt, I am not at all trying to imply that the City is perfect. On the contrary, it has many areas of improvement. However, as an overall package, it is still the best C segmenter (petrols).
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Originally Posted by romeomidhun So, we need separate comparison reports for the last 3 categories of buyers (2,3,4). GTO / any other EXPERT (please, not any 'biased' experts...), can you provide a detailed comparison for those 3 categories separately? |
Will surely work something out.
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Originally Posted by neoonwheels Good comparison GTO. Still as Amit mentioned, for an "informed" buyer, Diesel at City's price makes sense if we consider savings over the period of time. |
Sure, buts its not like the City is the only petrol sedan in the market. It applies to ANY diesel Car versus petrol car. A majority of the market evidently loves petrols. Whether it is for their refinement, low usage patterns, or power, fact is the City outsells its diesel competitors just as the Altis outsells the Laura + Octavia COMBINED.