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Originally Posted by Guna Quality and workmanship of ANHC interior parts is right up there and cannot be easilly bettered. But yes, the colour looks dull. |
Exactly the situation with my OHC. While the design is extremely staid, the way that the interior has been screwed together, and the part quality itself, is of a tall order. The durability & ability to take abuse is segment best. Bring the competition in, and its only the Verna in contention here. Not the SX4 with its Swift like interiors (and quality), nor the Linea whose interiors have many rough edges.
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Originally Posted by extreme_torque For your reference
116/1100 == 105.45
105/995 == 105.55 |
Thanks, but your information is incorrect.
ANHC 116 BHP / 1100 kg = 105.45 power to weight.
OHC Vtec : 106 BHP / 985 BHP = 107.61 power to weight.
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No one here says that the Linea is quick,
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Where has the spade not being called a spade?
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Exactly my point. By C segment standards, the Linea is slow. In fact, the slowest of all competition.
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Well this isnt unique to Honda. Cars over the years have become better, smarter and at the same time cheaper.
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Do read my post again & the context it was made in. Was a reply to someone else's post.
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Honda's service interval of 5k kms in absurd in my opinion.
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Totally agreed. While the 5K service doesn't entail anything other than an oil change + air filter cleaning, its yet & definitely absurd. Honda should change this to 7500 kms.
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They sold 2000 in the first month itself which is not a bad figure for a small car costing 8 Lakh rupees.
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Xtreme, please refer to actual facts & sales figures before making such statements. In the 2nd & 3rd month of sales, the Jazz is now down to 1000 odd units. This is 1/2 of Hondas own expectations; the shoddy market performance is entirely down to its pricing.
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Its an assumption, nothing else. The City would have to serviced thrice compared to just one for the Linea.
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European petrols are depreciation disasters. ANY European petrol, that's market reality. History has proven this over the last 10+ years.
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I repeat again people will buy a car they see the best value in. If most of them see the value in the City, I dont blame them, its their choice and their money. Its just that I want my car to be more complete.
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I'm glad we are, in effect, now repeating the same thing. The fact is, an overwhelming majority of the market sees MORE VALUE in the City than its direct (and cheaper) competition.
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I dont start with resale values, critical fuel efficiency figures when I am in the market for a car.
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Actually, neither do I. I use my cars till they drop apart, thus making resale value irrelevant, and the way that I drive, no car will be fuel efficient. Of course, the two of us are enthusiasts and our needs are entirely different to that of the market. It's pretty clear from the sales figures as to which car meets the markets needs the best. I must add, the City would be my choice in the C segment for a petrol sedan due to its performance and all-rounded nature.
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I can also start a thread and prove that an Accord or a Superb anyday is a better buy than the Mercedes C-Class and they are cheaper as well but then we know thats not the point.
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Don't miss it, that is a HUGE point. As a C220 owner myself, I have stated time & time again that the Accord is a FAR MORE sensible buy. Bigger, better ride quality, overall more comfortable, way superior reliability & cheaper cost of ownership. I am not biased toward the cars that I own or the brands that I like. Please look up previous discussions on this exact topic.
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Here we are talking about a car which is the costliest in the segment and gives the least standard equipments and we go on and on about the resale value and better engine and say its not overpriced.
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It isn't. Fact is, the equipment level is the only flaw that most of the ANHCs critics find in it. There is not a single serious engineering / performance flaw in teh city. Since features matter so much to you, I'm sure you consider the Endeavour & Safari as superior SUVs to the Fortuner?
A relevant post made earlier:
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As stated earlier, the most glaring ommissions are alloy wheels & climate control. Simply no justification for that, agreed. But then, Honda & Toyota have NEVER been about features worldwide. Toyota example : a 12 lakh Innova till 2008 was sold without climate control. And the 20 lakh Fortuner, look up my report. No rear discs, USB input stereo, lumbar support seats, telescopic steering or air-con volume control for 2 million rupees! They've always had competitors like Hyundai etc. undercutting them on price and offer features (study the worlds largest car market = the USA). The money you pay for is for that added value of better quality & engineering under the hood. That's precisely why they also enjoy amongst the most superior residuals. If you want features for your money, sure, go to Hyundai. If you want the best engineering & durability in the class, go to Honda & Toyota.
Consider the all-roundedness of the Honda City to its competition and why it is the segment leader in sales. The SX4 : Loosely fitted parts, STIFF ride within the city, 4 seater (thanks to center arm rest of rear bench). Verna : Wallowy ride quality (just ask Sam) and pathetic handling. Linea : Neither is the petrol fuel efficient nor is it fast (quite the contrary with a 0 - 100 of 17.xx seconds), has its own share of niggles, and interiors aren't really intelligently packaged.
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Please don't argue for the heck of it. Refer to my "cost of ownership" article as well as Ajmats resale value thread. It will open up your eyes to the real cost of ownership. Even the most diehard Fiat fans have accepted that the ANHC is much cheaper to own than the petrol Verna or the petrol Linea.
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So what? I still believe otherwise and its my opinion.
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You miss the context yet again. You posted that the thread starters opinion is not generic, to which the reply :
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Actually, my opinion is far more generic than yours. You can generalise this thread's message to what the market believes. Trust me, it is they who are putting their money where their mouth is, not merely typing posts out here.
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The question isn't about my opinion versus yours. It's about which is
generic, something that you brought up in the first place.
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Going by the numbers published in this very thread few pages back, Linea sold 9xxxx, SX4 8xxxx and hence my reply.
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Again, you need to update yourself with facts before commenting further. Once the initial surge of demand was over, Linea sales have settled at 900 cars a month. Compare that to 1,200 average of the SX4 or the 1400 average of the Verna and its amply clear as to which car is the worst selling.
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No matter how hard you may try to justify by bringing in engine fuel for the sake of sales figures, the fact remains Linea is selling and no one's stopping Maruti from launching a diesel SX4.
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Actually, there isn't a need to justify anything. The SX4 sells MORE than the Linea, even though it doesn't have a diesel option.
About the character statement : I'll be the first to tell you that the Linea & Punto are not only the best looking, but also have the most character from their respective segments. As things stand today, the Punto would be my choice for a diesel hatch and the Linea my pick for a diesel C segmenter.