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Originally Posted by airbender Tata has bigger market share than cherry has in it's domestic market. Competitors are more or less same. Tata is no 2 today in india. What about chery in China? |
The entire discussion was about quality of cars made by TATA vs CHERY and not about sales numbers. If sales numbers is an indication of quality then is TATA cars better in quality than Ford or Fiat in India?
..and in terms of numbers too Chery sells more number of cars in China than TATA in India.
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Originally Posted by airbender Do you know any happy cherry customers? |
Do you think lakhs of people buy Chery cars because of full page ads released by the company. Majority of car sales happens by word of mouth and if there aren’t any happy owners will Chery be able to sell cars.
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Originally Posted by airbender Can you please give us the comparison data. A: You are the one who started with south africa. Why don't you do that. |
I never talked about the sales numbers in SA. I only talked about the crash worthiness of Chery cars sold in SA.
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Originally Posted by airbender Modifications were minimum. And your eyes should tell you it's not a europa version. Even assuming it's a europa version, it faired a lot better than chery's test cars. Look at the videos in the above thread. |
Modifications to improve a car’s safety will not be visible on the outside.
They are done at the structural level.
In the above video-post the only Chery car featured is the A3, which is given 5 stars.
Has Tata ever released their bestsellers like SUMO for crash tests whereas, today Chery cars are subjected to C-NCAP tests and results available publicly.
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Originally Posted by airbender Tata group earns more revenue for outside india. But it's majority of employees are indians. I don't have a right no but expect for corus tata does not have a lot of workers out of india. |
Majority of revenues are from subsidiaries and acquired companies like JLR, Corus, Tyco, Tetley, etc and in all these companies the majority are not definitely Indian nationals.
and 65% of TATA's revenue is from CORUS.
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Originally Posted by airbender Hyundai or Volkswagen, how much R&D do they do in India. They do create jobs but less than our indian auto makers. |
And what do mean by create less jobs? Do they make their employees to work 16 years per day and thereby create less jobs.
Unfortunately the talent required for Auto R&D is not abundant in India,
but still foreign automakers like Ford do have R&D facilities in India.
Why don’t you complain when many foreign IT giants setup their R&D centres in India rather than in some other country?
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Originally Posted by airbender I am only aganist people like you who take every opportunity to make indian companies favorate punching bags. I love competition and will always encourage it. Will you use the same theory when it comes to your family. |
I’m only against people like you who jump at every opportunity to find fault with foreign companies. We have people like you who will file lawsuits against a Pepsi because it contained minute traces of pesticide when all the vegetables and fruits we consume contain much more pesticides.
Our NGOs never raise a voice against restaurants and eateries whose kitchens will put a public toilet to shame, because they are INDIAN businesses.
I’m not against companies that strive to produce good quality in whatever field they are in. There are many admirable Indian companies like Hero Honda because of their commitment to quality.
And don't confuse a commercial consumer action like car selection with friends and family. Will you take a test drive before selecting them?
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Originally Posted by airbender Quality is a ladder to climb. Tata's second generation pasenger cars are lot better than the first. Vista to indica, manza to indigo. Every automaker starts as cheap. |
The same applies to Chery also. It wasn’t started 50 years back, it’s only a 11 year old company. They have come a long way from the days of cloning matiz to the current A3
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Originally Posted by airbender WHen ratan tata showcased tata nano, a lot people said indian customers would prefer maruti 800 to nano saying 800 is better than nano. Now 800 is almost dying and they don't talk about it any longer. Some people voice there opinion and when proved wrong shy away from talking about it. There is no way to decide who is right or wrong. |
Today only 25% of new cars sold, is in the entry level or A segment compared to 80% a few years back. The action is in the B segment.
Maruti has taken a wise decision of not reducing 800 prices and taking on the Nano.
And you wait and see what the selling price of Nano is after 2 years. Already the AC version sells at 1.65 lakhs. This has been Tata’s strategy for years. Create an impression of cheap and later sell it at a higher cost, blaming the input costs for increased price.
When they planned to launch the Indica they said it will be cheaper than 800 but did they keep their promise?
I too fought with my dad when he went ahead and booked a Santro instead of Indica way back in 99. My thinking was similar to yours back then.
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Originally Posted by Gansan Remember what happened to the Indian entry of Chinese bikes! |
Those bike sellers were fly-by-night operators. can't compare them Chery which is a company with global aspirations.
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Originally Posted by airbender Why don't we save this discussion for later and see how chery performs. Lets both revisit this thread one year from now and see if cherry can manage success(if they manage to launch). I am ready to commit. Are you? |
I’m ready if Cherry is given a level playing field in India like given for Tatas (1000 acres land at stone age prices, taxpayers money lended at 0.6% interest) we can compare after a few years.
Till then I wish not to post again in this thread.