Re: How much does a one second cost: 0-100kmph time vs lowest price Quote:
Originally Posted by ajman28 @DOT - Since you have done the comparison, can you tell me which is the quickest hatch available in India? Maybe you could publish the entire list, that would be very helpful |
See the thing is, I got all the information from reading a few magazines and rechecking the net. So publishing a list which anyone can make looks a bit funny, in my opinion. Cant claim that I am an expert in these matters! There are many in this forum who are far more knowledgeable. However I will try to answer the question of the fastest hatch, fully aware that this might cause more debates!
I think the fastest hatchs available as new from showroom are Fiat Palio Stile 1.6 and VW Polo 1.6. I thought VW Beetle as the fastest hatch, but looks like it isn't. If someone knows a faster hatch please let us know. Quote:
Originally Posted by ghodlur @Dot,
Are you referring to the 1.6S or the normal 1.6 petrol variant. Can you confirm that? |
As far as I know, both Fiesta 1.6 and 1.6S have same engine in the same state of tune. Acceleration figures of both are expected to be same. The S differs in suspension setup, wheel size and some interior and exterior mods. Again someone please correct if this is not true. Quote:
Originally Posted by ACM Nice for entertainment purpose
Good to see the correction of A8 to R8 - Hope it gets reflected on the first post as well.
The Linea T-Jet figures may not have been in the Autocar issue that you checked out? I thought it beats the City.
Was the New Superb V6 slower than the Accord V6? Did you check the superb V6 figures as well? - Evidently no one wants to move from 8.xx sec to 7.xx in cost effective manner as neither the Accord nor the Superb V6 sell much. It's where one has a turning point and starts going for snob value, and features. |
The reports say that Linea TJet is slightly slower than ANHC. Different reports quote different figures for the same car. Sometimes variation is more than a second. This is understandable since there are many factors. Driver, fuel type, engine run-in, weight inside the car, tyre specs and pressure, outside temperature, altitude are some variables I can think of. So it is possible that some car tested in a different set of conditions can outdo another on paper comparisons. The best comparos are side by side. Such data is difficult to get.
I could not find the values of Superb V6 so far. If it is faster than Accord, I can definitely modify the plot.
Agree on your final point. What I understand, the cost of a volume segment car is about 50% of sticker price. The rest is profit for manufacturer and dealers. For premium and supercars, the margins are even higher since the numbers are few and details and hand-crafting also adds to cost of manufacturing. Further for imports there is a customs and supply chain component . So I assume that the exponential rise in cost after 8-7 sec not only reflects engineering the car but all these factors too. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.AD dot, this is a very interesting exercise. It is often fun to look at such hypothetical questions for curiosity sake and this question was on my mind as well. Thanks for stating this.
However, like others have pointed out, the data needs to be re-checked for correctness. I seriously doubt Fiesta 1.6S is 6.5L on road. Here in Bangalore, it is more than 8L on road.
If we had the data of price and 0-100 numbers for all cars, some more interesting analysis can be done. For example, alongside the curve you have, one could also plot the curve for "the most expensive car for a given 0-100 number". This will show the cheapest to the most expensive price band for each second for 0-100. This will also highlight what else goes in the car apart from pure performance, and you will see cars significantly more expensive (for justifiable reasons, of course) than some others at the same 0-100 time. |
As I said, Fiesta 1.6 and 1.6S have same power and acceleration specs. So I took the lowest variant cost whose onroad price is around 6.5 in Pune.
Yeah the expensive car analysis might be fun also. Thanks! |