[adit1329]

[quote=viper]

Originally Posted by adit1329

It is not that I am supporting cops, but alloy Wheels are supposed to be illegal if it has not come on as a standard fitment and has an entry in the RC book.
Also, if you do fit Alloys or change the color or any other mods ideally you need to get it entered in your RC book at your local RTO.-
For that matter, stereos, dark sun films are also illegal.
But then the Alloy wheel illegal funda, only if questioned by an RTO officer is legal and not by the traffic police.

Hey,

Alloy wheels are not illegal from any angle and any circumstances and nor are stereos or sun films. Dark films are banned from the security angle in view of terrorist threats.

Also an RTO officer and traffic police fall under the same department.

Viper

Nope, RTO and traffic police are different entities. And Sun films are not banned for terrorist threats, it is for visibility that it is banned.
Any standard fitment that comes in the catalog is legal else if you are unlucky that an RTO guy checks the car and is in a bad mood, well you will be fined or asked for a bribe....

[adit1329]

Originally Posted by Max

well adit1329, cops should speak politely after judging the person. If person is well educated and mannered, cops should behave in manners with that particular civilian. I have also dealt with some cops in my life and most of them was polite after they judged my position and found that I am software engineer and educated person.

Well, if cop paid bribe to get his job, its not civilians fault and they make enough money from people who really break traffic rules. Taking bribe from innocent driver by threatening is not good at all. Most cops have this sense but some are brutal and senseless.

I am not telling it is the civilians fault but look at the larger picture and see who has to be blamed for this....it is not only cops...

[amit]

If person is well educated and mannered, cops should behave in manners with that particular civilian. I have also dealt with some cops in my life and most of them was polite after they judged my position and found that I am software engineer and educated person.

And if the person is illetrate then it's okay for the cops to rough him up and talk rudely and use their lathis on him? I beg to differ. Cops and any public service and government officials HAVE to learn to show respect to citizens. The way our cops talk and behave, they seem to suggest that we are guilty and we need to prove that we are innocent but the law says you are innocent until proven guilty. Government officials in India specially cops, income tax, excise officers i.e. all officials with power, love to show their power and dadagiri. This wouldn't do and these idiots need to realise that they get paid from our taxes and they are here to serve and protect us and not to threaten us! So whether they are talking to a software engineer or a truck driver, they have to be respectful.

Indian officials need to come down to western countries and see how government officials including cops talk and behave with citizens here. The whole attitude of our government officials is sickening.

[adit1329]

Originally Posted by amit

And if the person is illetrate then it's okay for the cops to rough him up and talk rudely and use their lathis on him? I beg to differ. Cops and any public service and government officials HAVE to learn to show respect to citizens. The way our cops talk and behave, they seem to suggest that we are guilty and we need to prove that we are innocent but the law says you are innocent until proven guilty. Government officials in India specially cops, income tax, excise officers i.e. all officials with power, love to show their power and dadagiri. This wouldn't do and these idiots need to realise that they get paid from our taxes and they are here to serve and protect us and not to threaten us! So whether they are talking to a software engineer or a truck driver, they have to be respectful.

Indian officials need to come down to western countries and see how government officials including cops talk and behave with citizens here. The whole attitude of our government officials is sickening.

I totally agree!!! One more common occuring incident is the convoys of ministers, their drivers feel that they own the roads and if they are transporting VIP's they honk loudly insistently, and use abusive language if you do not move away in a hurry.
Who gives them this power? Politicians! And who gives these politicians power? WE!!

[karthik247]

Damn, these cops are desperate to get some money.
Almost all cars today come with the alloy wheel option, so how can it be illegal. The use of white/bluish headlights are also illegal, but then xenons and HID's also come a OE fitments right. The cops should first be atleast a little educated and have some knowledge on these things..

[adit1329]

Originally Posted by karthik247

Damn, these cops are desperate to get some money.
Almost all cars today come with the alloy wheel option, so how can it be illegal. The use of white/bluish headlights are also illegal, but then xenons and HID's also come a OE fitments right. The cops should first be atleast a little educated and have some knowledge on these things..

Yep, but who will bell the cat??

[PsychoLyn]

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[caliper]

Originally Posted by adit1329

For that matter, stereos, dark sun films are also illegal.

Excuse me, did you say stereos are illegal? If that's really true, it's no wonder why most people just do what they want to do and ignore the law. If the law makes a majority of the people lawbreakers (such as prohibition of alcohol in the US in the early 20th century), there is something wrong with the law.

[caliper]

Originally Posted by PsychoLyn

far as the alloys go yes any modifications have to mentioned in the reg. book as it has to be passed by the cops which half the time they never pass because they always want a bribe or something,
PsychoLyn

Is cladding (such as the Carryboy variety) supposed to be illegal w/ out entering it into RC? How about additional lights? What about sideboxes on motorcycles?

[ggkg]

What are you talking? You are questioning the very basis of Indian socialism. It has been written into our constitution and our country's name thanks to hereoic efforts by Indira Gandhi and other self-less leaders.

The Indian socialist state generates wealth for its parasite class and the means for their unlimited multiplication, by writing laws that are impossible to understand, undefined, mysterious and undocumented wherever possible and impossible to follow if you are sincere and manage to figure out what is right or wrong. Practically anyting any petty bureaucrat, peon or clerk or cop says is THE law because you have no way of challenging him by showing otherwise.

Since most of the 'middle class' which includes a large sections of us, are beneficiaries of this is loot-raj, we have nothing to blame but ourselves. The only losers are sleeping on the pavement and suffering in the country-side and they have no access to media/forums/blogs unlike visiting NRIs.

Originally Posted by caliper

Excuse me, did you say stereos are illegal? If that's really true, it's no wonder why most people just do what they want to do and ignore the law. If the law makes a majority of the people lawbreakers (such as prohibition of alcohol in the US in the early 20th century), there is something wrong with the law.

[supernova]

Hi there.,

Let me get this correct, that if you change even a single bulb, or use a different grade of oil that is not OE then you have got have it registered in the book? Come on!

[supernova]

Let me get this correct then! If it is not OE or not was in the OE list then it is illeagal. If you use better grade of engine oil then the one trhat was recommended, if you use inner tyres in your tubeless tyres and a muiltude of other things that we do every day. Then the new car that I'm buying and then having it competley customised will have to have two RC one for when I buy then one for when I have it finished, Where the common sense?

[caliper]

Originally Posted by supernova

Let me get this correct then! If it is not OE or not was in the OE list then it is illeagal. If you use better grade of engine oil then the one trhat was recommended, if you use inner tyres in your tubeless tyres and a muiltude of other things that we do every day. Then the new car that I'm buying and then having it competley customised will have to have two RC one for when I buy then one for when I have it finished, Where the common sense?

I've actually heard that adding a sidebox on a motorcycle means you have to go back and prove roadworthiness of the vehicle! Problem is, some (most?) of these laws are written for Switzerland or Singapore, and do not reflect ground realities in India.

[flipsyde]

i carry a box of tissues in my car which arent a part a OE! looks like i have to pay a trip to the RTO office to get them approved!

[CBlazer]

I colleague of mine had to remove the sun control film off the car before she got it re-registered in Bangalore about 4 years ago(the car was originally registered in Hyderabad).

I don't know specifically about alloy wheels, but I believe the car dealers take the car for registration to the RTO even before sun control films, etc. are fixed to avoid bribing the RTO officials. Not that they don't pay anything at all otherwise - I've seen car dealers breaking the queue and handing off a bundle of documents along with money, to the clerk in the RTO. These are docs related to the vehicles to be registered.

Speaking of traffic cops - they over-react to things that matter the least.

Off Topic: I've been trying to get the local traffic police's attention about a car that's been parked right in front of my garage for the last 4 days. Cop's response - sorry the "towing vehicle" is under repair, it'll take atleast 2 more days to fix it. So please "adjust maadi". As as result, I've been making the auto wallah's richer since Tuesday. Thank GOD it's Friday night!