[shibujp]

Ferrari got the chop right the third time round! Now that's how you chop off a rivals wing without damaging your car. Jokes apart that was as brutal a close of the door as it's gonna get. The accusations are going to fly thick and fast with Red Bull in the mix as well.

Ferrari got the best result possible given their horrible pit stop. Without that it would have been one of the best strategies seen from them in recent time. But how much longer is Bottas going to be the sacrificial lamb.

Drive on,
Shibu

[narayans80]

Bizarre race strategy by Ferrari. What was the need to make Vettel lap cars. He was clearly having 24-25 second advantage at one point and it came down to 19-20 by the time he pitted. They could've got him ahead of Bottas even with the front left trouble at the pit stop.

This way he'd have had a chance to attack Hamilton instead of Bottas all those laps. Whether he'd have gotten past is a different story.

Fantastic pace by Kimi and Ricciardo.

With just 10 points adrift, Ferrari's chances with the Constructors look brighter than their Drivers championship hopes, where they are 24 points south.

[nkrishnap]

Pretty boring race barring a few overtakes. The commentary is really bonkers on Star Channel. They keep praising Hamilton and portray Vettel as an inferior driver. Went on mute to watch the race without the audio.

Ferrari must pull its socks up if they are to win the constructors and driver's championship.

PS: the driver winning the Hungarian GP has not managed to win the driver's championship that year.

[fz_rider]

Hamilton has almost a race worth points comfort with him. Vettel has got a huge task in front of him. Second half will be interesting. Ferrari is closer to Mercedes this time around. Its turning out to be terrible season for Bottas, nothing absolutely nothing is going his way. From being a potential championship leader, he is languishing 4th. Its 2017 all over again for Verstappen.
Brilliant drive by Ricciardo, he was the only action on track. Also Gasly, he is pretty balanced driver, he managed the pace, took home valuable 8 points.

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

Pretty boring race barring a few overtakes. The commentary is really bonkers on Star Channel. They keep praising Hamilton and portray Vettel as an inferior driver. Went on mute to watch the race without the audio.

Well its sky sports, which is British. Obvious choices !

[mayankk]

That was sheer domination by the stewards pet. Pity about Bottas, though. However, with the pace he had round about the incident, it was improbable that he would have been able to hold the podium for long.

[Vid6639]

Hamilton was quick for sure but today both number 2 drivers were the sacrificial goats. Kimi was clearly the quicker driver and Bottas was told to stay out to keep Hamilton comfortable. Had they got Bottas in for a tyre change he would be with Kimi with better tyres. He lost 3 positions in 2 laps only cause of tyres. The collisions not with standing.

Kimi was the driver of the day today. 2 pit stops and was set for p2 had it not been for championship which is why he let Vettel stay in front even after Vettel's contact with Bottas. Kimi's consistency is amazing. Vettel has sparks but Kimi is super consistent.

[Cyborg]

Alonso is really using (abusing) his position and living in his past glory.

The way he spoke to his race engineer/team was unbecoming of a two times world champion. Instead of him leaving Formula One as he keeps threatening, the team should throw him out. Its better to have a young gun in the car rather than a frustrated cry baby.

When he signed on the dotted line, he with his experience should know there is no magic wand and the team is going to underperform. If he cannot stand the heat , he should get out of the kitchen.

Cheers

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by mayankk

That was sheer domination by the stewards pet. Pity about Bottas, though. However, with the pace he had round about the incident, it was improbable that he would have been able to hold the podium for long.

"Domination by Stewards pet" - LOL!!!! If his team uses his team mate as a pit bull, he can dominate as many races as he wants". Mercedes ruined Bottas's race strategy(which was similar to Kimi) just to keep Vettel from not getting a chance to pursue Hamilton.

Read this for evidence. Toto wolff calls Bottas Lewis's wingman.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/b...ments-1065731/
Then read hamilton's comments about Bottas's pace and how it was key to race win
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...-hamilton.html

Originally Posted by narayans80

Bizarre race strategy by Ferrari. What was the need to make Vettel lap cars. He was clearly having 24-25 second advantage at one point.

They needed to make sure that they get least number of laps on ultras so that he could push flat out in the whole stint. Pitstop time for this track was 20 sec so he pitted right at that window. That delay on the front left during the pit stop lost him track position against Bottas.

Originally Posted by shibujp

Ferrari got the chop right the third time round! Now that's how you chop off a rivals wing without damaging ur car. Jokes apart that was as brutal a close of the door as it's gonna get.

But no penalty to Bottas for ramming into Vettel after a brake lock up. Wasn't it the other way round in the French GP. Oh he might have "accepted his mistake"

Originally Posted by Vid6639

. Kimi was clearly the quicker driver

Kimi was the driver of the day today. 2 pit stops and was set for p2 had it not been for championship which is why he let Vettel stay in front even after Vettel's contact with Bottas.

Kimi was on pace today but he was out done by Vettel on lap 1. And then towards the end of the race he was catching Vettel because Vettel was stuck behind Bottas. Had that not been the case he would have finished nowhere near Vettel or Hamilton.
And Hamilton was nowhere on the pace. He didn't have to show his true pace because Bottas was there to slow down everyone else. When Hamilton pitted and Vettel hadn't, Vettel of lapping 0.5-0.6 of a lap faster despite having old tyres

[myavu]

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

PS: the driver winning the Hungarian GP has not managed to win the driver's championship that year.

Wrong My all time favorite Michael Schumacher did it in 2004. So it is not impossible. For that Arrows should improve their PU at least on par with Reds. Else this is going to be a year of Reds in WDC.

Cheers!

[aim120]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

They needed to make sure that they get least number of laps on ultras so that he could push flat out in the whole stint. Pitstop time for this track was 20 sec so he pitted right at that window. That delay on the front left during the pit stop lost him track position against Bottas.

But no penalty to Bottas for ramming into Vettel after a brake lock up. Wasn't it the other way round in the French GP. Oh he might have "accepted his mistake"

Kimi was on pace today but he was out done by Vettel on lap 1. And then towards the end of the race he was catching Vettel because Vettel was stuck behind Bottas. Had that not been the case he would have finished nowhere near Vettel or Hamilton.
And Hamilton was nowhere on the pace. He didn't have to show his true pace because Bottas was there to slow down everyone else. When Hamilton pitted and Vettel hadn't, Vettel of lapping 0.5-0.6 of a lap faster despite having old tyres

Bottas didn't get a penalty for the incident with Vettel, which Vettel himself said it's a racing incident. But Bottas did get a 10sec penalty for the incident with Ricciardo and 2 points on his license.

Even if Vettel came out in front of Bottas during the pitstop, as Vettel said he would no way have passed Lewis who was on a much fresher tires compared to Bottas.

[motorworks]

This was a Race that Ferrari should have won, if not for the rain in the qualifying session which pegged them back. Credit to Hamilton for the way he drove in the rain to grab pole position.

But Mercedes were only focused on a Lewis win and they failed to work out any strategy for Bottas! I mean with the right strategy he could have easily been 2nd! They used him to cover Vettel and in the end he struggled massively with his tyres. If it was a track that was easier to overtake then Vettel would have passed him as soon as he came out of the pits. When the cars are almost at par, its looking impossible to overtake each other, and following a car continuously ruins the tyres as well.

I think Ferrari eventually did well today. I was super happy with their strategy with Kimi, who seems to have some fresh energy this season.

If not for the delayed pit stop Seb might have even got close to Lewis in the final laps.

Anyway, I think Ferrari go in to the mid season break with the feeling that they are able to match Mercedes on almost every track. From now on, it looks like Strategies, Driver errors, Engine penalties are the only factors that can determine who is going to get to the championship.

[sun_king]

Originally Posted by myavu

Wrong My all time favorite Michael Schumacher did it in 2004. So it is not impossible. For that Arrows should improve their PU at least on par with Reds. Else this is going to be a year of Reds in WDC.

Cheers!

The F2004 was an exceptional car, probably the greatest race machine ever built. It won 15 of the 18 races with Schumi accounting for 13 of them. With a car like F2004 and Schumacher in his prime, it is impossible to *not* win a championship even if you come across the most jinxed event .

Ferrari should up their ante, at present they have a car that is marginally better than the Mercedes and marginal is not really doing well against the luck factor (and then some) that Mercedes is enjoying in this season. They owe one to Marchionne.

[narayans80]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

They needed to make sure that they get least number of laps on ultras so that he could push flat out in the whole stint. Pitstop time for this track was 20 sec so he pitted right at that window. That delay on the front left during the pit stop lost him track position against Bottas.

Vettel did open up the gap from 17 seconds (when Bottas came out) to 24-25 seconds (about 3 laps or so before he pitted). It then dropped to 19.8 when Vettel swapped to Ultras. This was because Vettel was doing 1:23s and 1:24s in those laps passing backmarkers. This wouldn't have been obvious unless you were following timing screens during the race. Silver Arrows did respond to this, Bottas was doing purple sectors around that time. The extra 1-2 seconds time was lost in fitting the front left.

IMO Ferrari should have prioritized track position over tyre life. Besides, if Vettel had come out in front of Bottas, Silver Arrows would have pit him to cover Kimi.

Originally Posted by aim120

Even if Vettel came out in front of Bottas during the pitstop, as Vettel said he would no way have passed Lewis who was on a much fresher tires compared to Bottas.

It would have been good fun seeing Hamilton respond with 1:20s and 1:19s instead of ambling around at 1:22s and 1:21s. He would have had to work for the top spot, not unchallenged like what really happened.

Originally Posted by motorworks

But Mercedes were only focused on a Lewis win and they failed to work out any strategy for Bottas! I mean with the right strategy he could have easily been 2nd!

Vettel on older softs was doing better pace than Bottas on newer softs in clear air. Bottas would have ended up 3rd if they did a 2 stopper. Kimi would have been 4th, Ricciardo 5th.

[MCR]

Good Race. But like most "dry" races, F1 is turning out to be boring!
Add to the that the "Biased" commentary from LH fanboy commentators. The way the commentators were "Praying" for safety car in Germany and the way they were again "Praying" for no safety car in Hungary was simply heights of hypocrisy.

Hope there will be good changes for 2019 season!

[anachronix]

Ha ha!

Originally Posted by mayankk

That was sheer domination by the stewards pet.

You will be shocked if you see his lap time comparisons. He looked dominant, thanks to his wing-man. On fresh set of softs he was nowhere near the pace of Vettel on 30 lap old softs.

So Mercedes have a clear order within the team, Bottas was completely compromised for it. The wingman comment was not taken well by the Finn as well!