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Originally Posted by kpzen Both Mahindra and Tata are there with diesel engine technology from long time but Wonder how mahindra is able to produce great diesel engines whereas tata struggle in this department.. |
Mahindra has produced ONE diesel engine and modified a couple of others, all with help from AVL and others.
Please remember that the Tata range of Diesels is not restricted to the Safari or the Indica. They have developed - either by themselves as in the legendary 407 or even the original 207 or with help from Cummins or other diesel specialists - a whole range of engines from small capacity HSDs for passenger cars to large load-carriers and even the Tata-Hitachi range of earthmovers.
While I agree that the Scorpio engine is a gem, it would be wrong to draw the conclusion as you have that Mahindra produces great diesel engine
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For the record, let us look at two turbocharged engines from Tata w.r.t their nearest competition:
Old Tata Safari Diesel 1948cc 90ps @ 4300 rpm 190nm @ 2000~3000rpm
(483 DL Turbo engine)
GVWeight 2690 kg
Old Mahindra Scorpio 2609cc 109bhp @3800rpm 255 nm @ 1800 rpm
GV weight 1910 kg
Another comparable engine (in terms of size)
Skoda Octavia 1.9 tdi 1896cc 90bhp @ 4000 rpm 210nm @ 1900 rpm
When compared to the Scorpio, an engine that was 33% bigger produced about 21% more power and 33% more torque.
When compared to the Skoda, the engine is pretty much par of the course
What really made the difference was also that the vehicle with the smaller engine was ALSO 40% heavier (4x4).....I'd say the old engine was pretty competent for its size....
Now when we come to Common Rails, it is another story altogether....the Dicor engine does NO justice to its size when it comes to BHP figures, though Torque is massive (no biggie since it is directly proportionate to cc).
Compare smaller diesels...the Tata 1.4 litre NA engine compared to the best known small capacity foreign diesel, the Peuguot TUD5:
Indica V2 DL 1405cc 53bhp @ 5000 rpm 85 nm @ 2500 rpm
Peuguot TUD5 1517cc 57bhp @ 5000 rpm 96nm @ 2600 rpm
Esteem/Zen D
Palio 1.9 D 1910cc 63bhp @ 4500 rpm 120nm @ 2500 rpm
The homegrown Indica engine was right up there with the slightly bigger Peuguot engine and though the Fiat engine was 25% bigger it only pumped out about 16% more peak power though torque was 29% more. This, despite the TATA engine being extremely FRUGAL - which is quite an achievement.
The addition of a turbocharger to the Indica meant that it now matches (actually both power and torque are about 8-9% more) the output of an engine thats 25% larger. Compare these with figures for the older 1.7 litre Turbo engine of the Siena and things fall into perspective.
You can do similar comparisons for other engines...Sumo(N.A) v/s Bolero v/s MM550 v/s Qualis, for instance:
1948cc/67bhp@4500/12kgm@2500 v/s 2498cc/72bhp@4000/15.5kgm@2000 v/s 2112cc/62bhp@4500/12.3kgm@2000 v/s
2446cc/75bhp@4200/15.4kgm@2400
Let us therefore not jump to conclusions, then.