Swift Diesel VDI (ABS) - 6 Years & 1.55 Lakh Kms

dadu · 6th March 2008, 15:34

System D can be used in any Diesel vehicle of any kind, CRDI or Non-CRDI.

It acts like a premium diesel but milder and cheaper, you can buy it from any BPCL/IBP petrol pumps, they have a long term marketing tieup with them.

TATA recommends system D just like maruti will recommend others and vice-versa. You can use any of the additives like 3m, STP and System D/G (G is for petrol).

The purpose is the same, clean the fuel assembly, improve burning and performance.

You can use them regularly too but since each will have their own chemical composition you might need to try and see which one is best for your engine.

Eddy · 21st March 2008, 11:16

Short and sweet update:

- Car nearing 13k mark

- Got my ICE.

- Used System D for the first time and initial feeling is positive. Will top up once more and post.

dadu · 21st March 2008, 12:53

Good to know that, it a positive feedback and for other to try as long as it helps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy

- Used System D for the first time and initial feeling is positive. Will top up once more and post.

palioman · 26th March 2008, 01:13

count me in, i 've got a silver vdi abs too

can you feel the magic

philjo · 28th March 2008, 11:16

Guys, be careful while topping up/filling of your engine oil levels and make sure you have verify them properly. This caused an serious issue in my car as they have filled excess engine oil and that gets flooded to the turbo. This occasionally caused the engine gets cutting off when turbo kicks in. They have verified the ECU and everything seems to be fine. But later clarified by the Maruti engineer that this can happen due to the excess engine oil levels. Now they have corrected the oil level and cleaned the turbo. Everything seems to be OK for past 2-3 weeks and need to try with some long drives later. Just wondering if any one of you have faced this issue before.

Even I have used 3M engine oil additive during my 1k service as recommended by the RNS Supervisor.

Eddy · 28th March 2008, 12:30

How many litres did you fill that time
? Also, was the oil filter changed ?

philjo · 28th March 2008, 14:03

They have charged me for around 3.25/3.5 liters (not sure) + fuel filter + Addictive for the 1st service. For second service they told they have topped up the oil but not charged anything. I faced the similar issue after the 1st service twice. During second service I told them about the this but they didn’t find anything wrong with the vehicle. After the second service I have faced the similar issue 3 times in a day and taken the car to RNS. Initially they told it might be due to ECU issue and need to get it replaced. But after verification ECU is perfect. Later they have consulted with Maruti and found out that it could be due to excess engine oil (excess of almost 1 liter). Anyway this happened due to sheer negligence.

Jaggu · 28th March 2008, 19:33

Oil getting into turbo, how? also what is the exact symptom, you mentioned engine cutting off, so does it completely stop? or does it feel sluggish? Did you check the oil level aftre the service?

I know too many questions, do reply if you have the info, please.

philjo · 31st March 2008, 13:21

Yes. Thats what they told, somehow the oil gets flooded to the turbo through the value in high revs. When the turbo kicks in randomly engine cuts off (with battery & oil symbols on the display panel) usually during decelerating time and there won't be any further responses from the engine if we press the accelerator. Then I have to stop the vehicle slowly and restart the vehicle to move on. Somehow I was very lucky on these occasions otherwise I might have got some nice back bangs from others.

After the service I have checked the oil level just to ensure that whether it is below the minimum level and never checked whether it is excess or not. Also it was bit dark around 6.45 pm. That is a mistake from my part. This reduced a lot of my confidence in the vehicle and I am bit re-gaining it slowly now. For testing I taken the car to BMIC road and outer ring roads and so far after the turbo cleaning the vehicle seems to be behaving fine. I need to take it to some long drives shortly and now the car clocked almost 6900kms within around 4 months timeframe.

palioman · 1st April 2008, 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by philjo

Yes. Thats what they told, somehow the oil gets flooded to the turbo through the value in high revs. When the turbo kicks in randomly engine cuts off (with battery & oil symbols on the display panel) usually during decelerating time and there won't be any further responses from the engine if we press the accelerator. Then I have to stop the vehicle slowly and restart the vehicle to move on. Somehow I was very lucky on these occasions otherwise I might have got some nice back bangs from others.

Quote:

After the service I have checked the oil level just to ensure that whether it is below the minimum level and never checked whether it is excess or not. Also it was bit dark around 6.45 pm. That is a mistake from my part

. This reduced a lot of my confidence in the vehicle and I am bit re-gaining it slowly now. For testing I taken the car to BMIC road and outer ring roads and so far after the turbo cleaning the vehicle seems to be behaving fine. I need to take it to some long drives shortly and now the car clocked almost 6900kms within around 4 months timeframe.

You ensure that the oil level is below the minimum mark ?? Boy aren't you asking for trouble !

can you feel the magic

Jaggu · 1st April 2008, 10:28

ok did you see any oil residue (wet residue) at the tail pipe? if oil got into turbo you would get hell lot of white smoke and oil residue at the tail pipe. Am not very convinced by the workshops theory.

Have a faint doubt it has got something to do with air filter or the accelerator sensor.

abhilash_iv · 1st April 2008, 10:42

Hi,
I had once faced this issue of accelerator no-response while my car was on the 5000s. This was when I moved to around 80 kmph in 5th gear. I suppose the rpm was below 2000 at that time. Suddenly the accelerator just stopped responding. I was in the right line and looked behind to see if I can steer to left line and stop, there I saw a hell lot of black smoke. I stopped the car, called the 24 hr service. They asked me to wait. By the time, when I checked, the car was acting as usual.
When they came, I was not able to demonstrate what happened. They believed, what I said, cleaned the air filter, revved to around 3000-3500 rpm while idling, but no smoke or accelerator cut off happened. Then they asked me to drive ahead and call them in case if it happens again.
After 2-3 days it happened once more, but no black smoke this time. I took the car to service centre but no hope to display it again. They concluded that the diesel could be the culprit. Drained the tank and asked me to fill diesel fresh. I did so and then it never happened happened. Now it is 20K kms.
I remember the technician saying that if the oil is over filled it may enter the turbo and create such an issue, and they have got some circular from Maruti to be extremely careful in oil filling. But that was verified and not found in my case.

philjo · 2nd April 2008, 10:16

@palioman : I meant whether the oil level is above the required oil level and never thought of the checking whether it is excess or not.

@Jaggu: Even I too thought of the same at that moment and thought of re-verifying this in some other MASS like Sureksha. But never got time to do that till now. Also the car emit lot black smoke during that time. Anyway abhilash_iv has given some light on this issue about the circular of MASS.

@abhilash_iv : Usually this happens after I have crossed 2000-2500 rpm. When taken this to workshop they have revved during idling and it smokes black a lot.

Anyway Maruti has to educate the service guys properly otherwise due to their lack of awareness will put others in trouble.

Eddy · 21st April 2008, 14:48

The odometer reads 15,500. I bought the car on 23 Sep 2007 so its been almost 7 months which equates to more than 2000 kms per month.

This is pretty high and I am glad that I bought a diesel. Or is the mileage high because I bought a diesel? I will never know but I am inclined to believe the former since most of the driving has been home to office (a round trip of 60 to 70 km daily).

Updates:

- I drive from Dwarka to Gurgaon so the road conditions are pretty good with not too many bottlenecks wrt traffic. This has resulted in a more than decent FE of 21+ kmpl (measured over approx 25 tankfulls). I have found a new IOC COCO outlet in Dwarka and pretty happy with the quality / quantity of fuel provided resulting in an increase of FE.

- System D: Was a little apprehensive about using this but decided to give it a try. Very highly recommended now. Noticed the difference in the NVH. Reduced a lot. Its use has also coincided with me starting to use the Ac and the FE has not reduced. So I am guesssing that it has a positive effect on the FE also. The only doubt I have is regarding the frequency of its use. Should I use it with every tankfull or alternate ones ?

- Highway Experience: Was dying to take the car on the highway so convinced some friends to go to a trip to Neemrana. Left Delhi early morning and it was a pleasure driving it on the highway. Hit 140 but could go only so far since the stock tyres did not inspire much confidence.

- Thankfully, no rattles yet but I have not driven too much on bad roads.

- Got my ICE done from Driven. Pioneer 4050UB, GTO 09327 (used ones from a friend who heard them for a month before upgrading) and Hertz components. A masala mix of brands but I love the SQ. Had a little issue in the beginning when one of the wires got snapped by the window glass. Due replacements were done and no further problems as such. But I think that I am suffering from the alternator whine problem, or thats what I think it is at least. Pity its prevalant even with the simplest ICE system possible.
Also, would post a picture of my tweeters. Want some advice on whether that is the best position for them or could something be better ?

- A couple of scratches on the wheel arches and the bumper made by over enthusiast maniacs on the road. Part of life and will live with them. Tried covering them with the COM paint thing that is being advertised nowadays but it does not work. Not recommended at all.

- My major issue with the car is the headlights. Just not strong enough. So thought of upgrading them but two issues. I dont know how it will affect the cars warranty. If it does not, where do I get it done from since all the MASS' have refused to do it for me so far.

- Got an intermediate servicing done at 15k kms including Oil & filter change, washing and getting the air filter cleaned. Now the question (Jaggu, please note). There was a big debate at the service station whether the air filter for the VDI should be cleaned or not. I mean, whether its advisable to clean it since many advisors believed that it cant be done
without causing any damage to it. And there were people who thought it could be done. I remembered Jaggu getting it done so went ahead and got it cleaned, albeit at very low air pressures.
The service cost me 1200 bucks. Some 600 for the oil, 350 for the filter and the rest in tax and labour.

I have not used any engine oil additive yet. Any suggestions ?

The car stil runs like a dream, touchwood.

horsepower · 21st April 2008, 17:07

Nice update.

Even I am disappointed by the poor headlights. Apra is not ready to install a relay and 100/90 bulbs. They try to sell HID's of some korean company.

There should be no issue in getting the air filter cleaned from outside. I got it done and its perfect.

6th March 2008, 15:34	#91
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,800 Thanked: 463 Times View My Garage	System D can be used in any Diesel vehicle of any kind, CRDI or Non-CRDI. It acts like a premium diesel but milder and cheaper, you can buy it from any BPCL/IBP petrol pumps, they have a long term marketing tieup with them. TATA recommends system D just like maruti will recommend others and vice-versa. You can use any of the additives like 3m, STP and System D/G (G is for petrol). The purpose is the same, clean the fuel assembly, improve burning and performance. You can use them regularly too but since each will have their own chemical composition you might need to try and see which one is best for your engine. Last edited by dadu : 6th March 2008 at 15:35.
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21st March 2008, 11:16	#92
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,579 Thanked: 14,594 Times	Short and sweet update: - Car nearing 13k mark - Got my ICE. - Used System D for the first time and initial feeling is positive. Will top up once more and post.
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26th March 2008, 01:13	#94
palioman BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dubai Posts: 53 Thanked: 2 Times	count me in, i 've got a silver vdi abs too can you feel the magic
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28th March 2008, 11:16	#95
philjo BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 36 Thanked: 3 Times	Guys, be careful while topping up/filling of your engine oil levels and make sure you have verify them properly. This caused an serious issue in my car as they have filled excess engine oil and that gets flooded to the turbo. This occasionally caused the engine gets cutting off when turbo kicks in. They have verified the ECU and everything seems to be fine. But later clarified by the Maruti engineer that this can happen due to the excess engine oil levels. Now they have corrected the oil level and cleaned the turbo. Everything seems to be OK for past 2-3 weeks and need to try with some long drives later. Just wondering if any one of you have faced this issue before. Even I have used 3M engine oil additive during my 1k service as recommended by the RNS Supervisor.
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28th March 2008, 12:30	#96
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,579 Thanked: 14,594 Times	How many litres did you fill that time ? Also, was the oil filter changed ?
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28th March 2008, 14:03	#97
philjo BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 36 Thanked: 3 Times	They have charged me for around 3.25/3.5 liters (not sure) + fuel filter + Addictive for the 1st service. For second service they told they have topped up the oil but not charged anything. I faced the similar issue after the 1st service twice. During second service I told them about the this but they didn’t find anything wrong with the vehicle. After the second service I have faced the similar issue 3 times in a day and taken the car to RNS. Initially they told it might be due to ECU issue and need to get it replaced. But after verification ECU is perfect. Later they have consulted with Maruti and found out that it could be due to excess engine oil (excess of almost 1 liter). Anyway this happened due to sheer negligence.
	() Thanks

28th March 2008, 19:33	#98
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	Oil getting into turbo, how? also what is the exact symptom, you mentioned engine cutting off, so does it completely stop? or does it feel sluggish? Did you check the oil level aftre the service? I know too many questions, do reply if you have the info, please.
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31st March 2008, 13:21	#99
philjo BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 36 Thanked: 3 Times	Yes. Thats what they told, somehow the oil gets flooded to the turbo through the value in high revs. When the turbo kicks in randomly engine cuts off (with battery & oil symbols on the display panel) usually during decelerating time and there won't be any further responses from the engine if we press the accelerator. Then I have to stop the vehicle slowly and restart the vehicle to move on. Somehow I was very lucky on these occasions otherwise I might have got some nice back bangs from others. After the service I have checked the oil level just to ensure that whether it is below the minimum level and never checked whether it is excess or not. Also it was bit dark around 6.45 pm. That is a mistake from my part. This reduced a lot of my confidence in the vehicle and I am bit re-gaining it slowly now. For testing I taken the car to BMIC road and outer ring roads and so far after the turbo cleaning the vehicle seems to be behaving fine. I need to take it to some long drives shortly and now the car clocked almost 6900kms within around 4 months timeframe.
	() Thanks

1st April 2008, 10:28	#101
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	ok did you see any oil residue (wet residue) at the tail pipe? if oil got into turbo you would get hell lot of white smoke and oil residue at the tail pipe. Am not very convinced by the workshops theory. Have a faint doubt it has got something to do with air filter or the accelerator sensor.
	() Thanks

1st April 2008, 10:42	#102
abhilash_iv BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kochi Posts: 222 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Hi, I had once faced this issue of accelerator no-response while my car was on the 5000s. This was when I moved to around 80 kmph in 5th gear. I suppose the rpm was below 2000 at that time. Suddenly the accelerator just stopped responding. I was in the right line and looked behind to see if I can steer to left line and stop, there I saw a hell lot of black smoke. I stopped the car, called the 24 hr service. They asked me to wait. By the time, when I checked, the car was acting as usual. When they came, I was not able to demonstrate what happened. They believed, what I said, cleaned the air filter, revved to around 3000-3500 rpm while idling, but no smoke or accelerator cut off happened. Then they asked me to drive ahead and call them in case if it happens again. After 2-3 days it happened once more, but no black smoke this time. I took the car to service centre but no hope to display it again. They concluded that the diesel could be the culprit. Drained the tank and asked me to fill diesel fresh. I did so and then it never happened happened. Now it is 20K kms. I remember the technician saying that if the oil is over filled it may enter the turbo and create such an issue, and they have got some circular from Maruti to be extremely careful in oil filling. But that was verified and not found in my case.
	() Thanks

2nd April 2008, 10:16	#103
philjo BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 36 Thanked: 3 Times	@palioman : I meant whether the oil level is above the required oil level and never thought of the checking whether it is excess or not. @Jaggu: Even I too thought of the same at that moment and thought of re-verifying this in some other MASS like Sureksha. But never got time to do that till now. Also the car emit lot black smoke during that time. Anyway abhilash_iv has given some light on this issue about the circular of MASS. @abhilash_iv : Usually this happens after I have crossed 2000-2500 rpm. When taken this to workshop they have revved during idling and it smokes black a lot. Anyway Maruti has to educate the service guys properly otherwise due to their lack of awareness will put others in trouble.
	() Thanks

21st April 2008, 14:48	#104
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,579 Thanked: 14,594 Times	15 K Update The odometer reads 15,500. I bought the car on 23 Sep 2007 so its been almost 7 months which equates to more than 2000 kms per month. This is pretty high and I am glad that I bought a diesel. Or is the mileage high because I bought a diesel? I will never know but I am inclined to believe the former since most of the driving has been home to office (a round trip of 60 to 70 km daily). Updates: - I drive from Dwarka to Gurgaon so the road conditions are pretty good with not too many bottlenecks wrt traffic. This has resulted in a more than decent FE of 21+ kmpl (measured over approx 25 tankfulls). I have found a new IOC COCO outlet in Dwarka and pretty happy with the quality / quantity of fuel provided resulting in an increase of FE. - System D: Was a little apprehensive about using this but decided to give it a try. Very highly recommended now. Noticed the difference in the NVH. Reduced a lot. Its use has also coincided with me starting to use the Ac and the FE has not reduced. So I am guesssing that it has a positive effect on the FE also. The only doubt I have is regarding the frequency of its use. Should I use it with every tankfull or alternate ones ? - Highway Experience: Was dying to take the car on the highway so convinced some friends to go to a trip to Neemrana. Left Delhi early morning and it was a pleasure driving it on the highway. Hit 140 but could go only so far since the stock tyres did not inspire much confidence. - Thankfully, no rattles yet but I have not driven too much on bad roads. - Got my ICE done from Driven. Pioneer 4050UB, GTO 09327 (used ones from a friend who heard them for a month before upgrading) and Hertz components. A masala mix of brands but I love the SQ. Had a little issue in the beginning when one of the wires got snapped by the window glass. Due replacements were done and no further problems as such. But I think that I am suffering from the alternator whine problem, or thats what I think it is at least. Pity its prevalant even with the simplest ICE system possible. Also, would post a picture of my tweeters. Want some advice on whether that is the best position for them or could something be better ? - A couple of scratches on the wheel arches and the bumper made by over enthusiast maniacs on the road. Part of life and will live with them. Tried covering them with the COM paint thing that is being advertised nowadays but it does not work. Not recommended at all. - My major issue with the car is the headlights. Just not strong enough. So thought of upgrading them but two issues. I dont know how it will affect the cars warranty. If it does not, where do I get it done from since all the MASS' have refused to do it for me so far. - Got an intermediate servicing done at 15k kms including Oil & filter change, washing and getting the air filter cleaned. Now the question (Jaggu, please note). There was a big debate at the service station whether the air filter for the VDI should be cleaned or not. I mean, whether its advisable to clean it since many advisors believed that it cant be done without causing any damage to it. And there were people who thought it could be done. I remembered Jaggu getting it done so went ahead and got it cleaned, albeit at very low air pressures. The service cost me 1200 bucks. Some 600 for the oil, 350 for the filter and the rest in tax and labour. I have not used any engine oil additive yet. Any suggestions ? The car stil runs like a dream, touchwood.
	() Thanks

21st April 2008, 17:07	#105
horsepower BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 280 Thanked: 2 Times View My Garage	Nice update. Even I am disappointed by the poor headlights. Apra is not ready to install a relay and 100/90 bulbs. They try to sell HID's of some korean company. There should be no issue in getting the air filter cleaned from outside. I got it done and its perfect.
	() Thanks