[adityamunshi]

Originally Posted by Eddy

Add to it, I am running on crappy stock JKs for 40k kms and that is why, my friend, I am averaging a puncture every week.

Thats the real reason for your problems. I had the same "average" of 1 per week until i changed to apollo aceleres and in the last 12K ive only had one slow puncture.

[Eddy]

Coming Soon: Better tyres.

[f1fan]

Originally Posted by shantyrocks

one of my friend who has just completed 1000 kms in his vdi complains of the same.he said that the car doesnt pull like what the test drive car did.
has maruti fitted the logan engine??

Originally Posted by Jaggu

A new diesel engine requires quite a bit of running to get it to free up, in my case i felt the difference till almost 18k kms. Now she has become smooth and the engine sound has gone down also, at idle engine is barely audible once warm. So wait for sometime before you go comparing with a test drive car, which would have run more.

Jaggu,
I believe you got us. We are complaining about the absence of torque once the car passed 2K rpm band in our car ( but was there in the demo car). I believe a bunch of folks have mentioned the same issue ( absence of torque) and were trying on what might be the root cause. I have clocked over 2000 Kms but am not experiencing the torque kick which most of the folks mention
Any ideas on what might be causing this and what might be the remedy

[kpzen]

Originally Posted by Fountainheader

On decent roads, how did you manage those 6 punctures dude ?

Why can't that happen?
I drive mostly on one of the smoothest tarmacs in the country (Greater Noida) and still i have had punctures but yes not like 6 punctures in a week..
IMO it can happen anywhere, doesn't depend on what kind of roads u drive on. Nails can be anywhere

Originally Posted by Jaggu

A new diesel engine requires quite a bit of running to get it to free up, in my case i felt the difference till almost 18k kms. Now she has become smooth and the engine sound has gone down also, at idle engine is barely audible once warm. So wait for sometime before you go comparing with a test drive car, which would have run more.

Thanks Jaggu !
Now Can i expect a bit more from my engine as i cross 15k kms?.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by f1fan

Jaggu,
I believe you got us. We are complaining about the absence of torque once the car passed 2K rpm band in our car ( but was there in the demo car). I believe a bunch of folks have mentioned the same issue ( absence of torque) and were trying on what might be the root cause. I have clocked over 2000 Kms but am not experiencing the torque kick which most of the folks mention
Any ideas on what might be causing this and what might be the remedy

Torque kick will be there, its not like it will be absent, try a lil aggressive acceleration at 1.9k RPM onwards. If its still dud then you have an issue, but dont go comparing with another car you drove earlier might not be the right thing to do.

Originally Posted by kpzen

Thanks Jaggu !
Now Can i expect a bit more from my engine as i cross 15k kms?.

Guess so, but how and when it opens up depends on the kind of running in you are doing also.

[Eddy]

any idea when the brake pads need to be replaced ?

[DieselFan]

Originally Posted by Eddy

any idea when the brake pads need to be replaced ?

It depends on your driving habits and terrain . But get your brake pads cleaned and inspected anyways.

[f1fan]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Torque kick will be there, its not like it will be absent, try a lil aggressive acceleration at 1.9k RPM onwards. If its still dud then you have an issue, but dont go comparing with another car you drove earlier might not be the right thing to do.

This might be a dumb question:
I tried a little hard acceleration and surely did feel some torque over 2K but my question is when driven smoothly would we feel the torque over 2K rpm i.e. I generally dont drive hard, hence 2K or more rpm is only achieved in 5th gear most of the times during smooth increase in speed to 100 kmph, hence wondering whether it should kick in during that scenario too or is it limited to some aggressive acceleration?

[palioman]

Ok this might just be a bit OT, but my Swift VDi with ABS does not feel it has ABS, or maybe I am expecting too much.Yesterday I came back from an exhilarating drive from Ganpatipule which is a 6 hours drive from Mumbai on what is a very good road ( NH17). The brakes seemed to suffer from brake fade and I had two close shaves while braking from 130 kmph..the car seemed to wriggle. I would have thought that the ABS is supposed to keep that in check.
However I had no compaints either on the torque front or on fuel efficiency, was getting 22 kmpl with all that spirited driving.
Handling was as expected, always effervescent.

[kuttapan]

Originally Posted by palioman

Ok this might just be a bit OT, but my Swift VDi with ABS does not feel it has ABS, or maybe I am expecting too much.Yesterday I came back from an exhilarating drive from Ganpatipule which is a 6 hours drive from Mumbai on what is a very good road ( NH17). The brakes seemed to suffer from brake fade and I had two close shaves while braking from 130 kmph..the car seemed to wriggle. I would have thought that the ABS is supposed to keep that in check.
However I had no compaints either on the torque front or on fuel efficiency, was getting 22 kmpl with all that spirited driving.
Handling was as expected, always effervescent.

You expect too much. Read through the ABS threads in tBHP to understand what ABS does. I think you are running out of grip, hence the wriggle. A guess - you are on stock tyres? Swift does show a tendency to wriggle under hard braking, I have felt it couple of times too.

Swift brakes are good, so I don't know why yours had fade. Were you braking aggressively before they faded? I mean, braking conitnously, heating the brake fluid? Like when you go down ghats at speed?

[Eddy]

I touched the 40k mark recently and took the car out for service at my regular service station FairDeal Cars on Friday. Reached the station at 9:00 am and was pleased to know that my car was second in line to get serviced. I was attended to by the service advisor (Satish) in ten minutes or so, while I was putting all the stuff inside the car into plastic bags to store it at the service station.

Satish: How many kms up sir ?
Me: 40,000
Satish: Ok sir, what is the problem with the car ?
Me: No problems, just regular service.
Satish (shocked): What ? No problem ?
Me: No. Why are you surprised ?
Satish(smiling): Sir, we don't often get customers without complaints especially at 40k. Nothing at all ?
Me: Nopes, touchwood.

Delivery Time Promised: 1 PM.
At around 9:30, my car went for the washing and engine bay cleaning etc. Was sitting in the customer bay, keeping an eye on the work being done. After a thourugh wash, the car was kept just at the entrance to the worskshop floor for close to an hour. Reason: The workshop was being cleaned and getting ready for the operations to begin. From my past experiences here, I knew that the service center is a little slow but this was the height of incompetency. However, I knew the reason behind this. There were only 3 cars for service till that time and hence no real pressure on them. It was only after 11 - 11:30 did cars come in for service here.

Anyways, I waited for the work to begin and once it did, I was off to the floor and to oversee all oil changes. This is the reason I go here for service. they let you be with your car. However, recieved an important call and had to leave for 10 minutes or so. The engine oil was changed during htis interval. Since, they had drained the oil (to the last drop which took about 15 minutes) in my presence, I could be sure that it would be replaced.

All the fluids and filters were changed including the diesel filter element. Suddenly, I recalled that I did not notice them putting a new air filter. Thought they must have done it when I was out on a call. I asked the techie there and he said that he did not do so. Just cleaned the old one and put it back again. I was falbbergasted. He told me that it was not mentioned in the job card. Call the service advisor and blasted him. Turned out that the job card was printed using a 19th century dot matrix printer that was not aligned properly and the air filter was printed at a corner so the techie did not notice. After a quick lecture and some angry words, a new filter was put in.

The brake pads were inspected and cleaned on my insistence. The techi said the pads seemed ok for another 10,000 km. I have a couple of pics of the pads. How do you guys judge their condition ?

Abulb that was fused in was replaced. Then the error code of removing the terminal was flushed and after a final inspection and a test drive, the car was ready at 1 PM.

Then comes the most irritating part of the experience, and not for the first time I must say. The entire staff of the station goes for lunch simultaneously. The whole place is dead for the next 45 minutes. The work started again at till 3 PM, the car was given an enitre cleaning up job. From a wash to engine bay cleaning to internal vaccuming and polishing, a top notch cleaning job was executed.

The vehicle was handed over to me at 3.15, more than two hours after the promised time. Work was satidfactory. Guess what, the bill was way below my estimate: Rs 3333

• Engine Oil = 626 (3.1 L @ Rs 202/ L)
• Oil Filter = 334
• Brake Fluid = 137 ( 1 L)
• Gear Oil = 498 (2.5 L @ Rs 199 / L)
• Coolant = 210
• Battery Water = 13
• Clip, Fender Lining = 25
• Diesel Filter = 843
• Bulb = 48
• Air Filter = 231

Freebies: - Paid service labour charges of 700 bucks waived off coz I got my car insurance renewed through the dealer.
- Mudflaps replaced FOC (not so good quality though but ok since I had lost 3 of 'em)

Doubts: Mostly related to oil change. Now the oil change is done approx 2 hrs after the car has reached the workshop and the engine is cold. Not sure that this is a good practice since the engine should be warm before the draining out the old oil. Dunno what the solution is. Anyways, its too minor an issue to be tensed about.
Just as I was about to move out, I came to know that the service center had used Shell Engine oil instead of the Mobil Delvac that they generally used. Am not sure of the grade so will carry my own oil from now on.

Another surprising thing was that no service advisor etc tempted me with engine flushing, engine oil additive, decarbonization etc. Nobody mentioned it all. Surprising.

All in all, the car is doing very well, touchwood

Originally Posted by palioman

Ok this might just be a bit OT, but my Swift VDi with ABS does not feel it has ABS, or maybe I am expecting too much.Yesterday I came back from an exhilarating drive from Ganpatipule which is a 6 hours drive from Mumbai on what is a very good road ( NH17). The brakes seemed to suffer from brake fade and I had two close shaves while braking from 130 kmph..the car seemed to wriggle. I would have thought that the ABS is supposed to keep that in check.
However I had no compaints either on the torque front or on fuel efficiency, was getting 22 kmpl with all that spirited driving.
Handling was as expected, always effervescent.

Have not experienced brake fade yet on the stock brakes. Even on downhill ghat runs(i use engine braking in 3rd to help). now running on upgraded rotors,which I like a lot.

The Swift D Wiggles under very hard braking from high speeds because of the front heavy nature. The nose dives, rear lifts, and the weight transfer causes the rear wheels to lift a little and slip. It isnt wheel locking due to the brakes overwhelming tyre grip(that is prevented by the ABS)

It helps if you brake progressively over 1-2 seconds, that is, build up from 50% braking effort to full standing on the brakes by the end of 2 secs or so. Car will stop brilliantly. Trick is to keep the car balanced during braking.
Slamming the brakes from full tilt acceleration at low speeds or from speeds in excess of 120 is a recipe for disaster.

The good part is, the car is quite forgiving, lift your foot off the brake a little and it will settle down immediately.
Also please keep the steering as straight as traffic/road conditions allow when braking hard.

Some more off topic stuff from me, apologies eddy!
Anyone willing to spend a bundle on the Koni kit now available for the swift D to see if braking improves considerably? Would be nice to know before I plonk down the money for that
On one hand the stiffer konis upfront will greatly reduce diving under braking, thereby reducing the wiggle. On the other hand, weight tranfer to the front will be reduced, thereby reducing braking efficiency upfront, which is where most of the braking takes place anyway.
Reviews would be much appreciated.

@Eddy- your brakepads lasted 40k? Lucky you!

[Eddy]

Originally Posted by rippergeo

@Eddy- your brakepads lasted 40k? Lucky you!

Yup. And here are the pics. How does the condition look ?

They look better than mine at 27k and going by how long they took to get there, your's should last some more I think.

[Eddy]

What was the replacement cost ?