[aviorp]

Its been 8 months of owning the beast and it sure has been a pleasure, untill Sunday.

Odo reading : 59970
Kms done from the time I purchased : 15670
Interval since last service : 12000 kms (approx)

Problem :

1. Engine check LED is blinking
2. There is a mild clicking noise (about every 10-15 seconds), from the motor (located to the right of the engine, when facing from the front)

I checked with the A.S.S yesterday and the SA said it is the Inductor that has gone bad and needs replacement. Unfortunately I dont have an Extended warranty and he quoted a whopping 18000 for replacement.

Now, what if I dont want to replace it, untill it dies completely? Is it safe?

Is there any other workaround for this or better to replace it?

[n.devdath]

Inductor? What is that? Can you pl post a pic or 2? Which ASC are you planning to visit?
Let me know if you need any help.

[aviorp]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

Inductor? What is that? Can you pl post a pic or 2? Which ASC are you planning to visit?
Let me know if you need any help.

It is the 'Alternator'. I apologize for the mistake.

The SA from IG Workshop (Whitefield) said, the bearing was loose and they have tightened it. The clicking noise no longer exists and also the engine check LED stopped glowing. So, I'm hoping its fixed. When asked how long it would last, he said, it should work for a few months. Also he mentioned both the TVS & Bosch Alternators cost 18K.

Moreover, they said, they have not come across this kind of a problem before. I guess its not a common issue with this model.

[RajeshK]

@aviorp,

I would suggest you to check with Carnation @ NS Palya on this. The Service manager is an ex-SKS fellow. The good thing about Carnation is 'repair instead of replace'.

Contact person is Venkat : 08042457200 / 9686664929

Thanks
Rajesh

[n.devdath]

Originally Posted by aviorp

So, I'm hoping its fixed. When asked how long it would last, he said, it should work for a few months. Also he mentioned both the TVS & Bosch Alternators cost 18K.

Okay, let me blow your myths here.

Alternators are eminently serviceable components and need not be replaced. All their major parts viz; rotors, stators, regulators, housings,bearings, pulleys etc are easily available and can be replaced very easily.
So, do not let anyone take you for a ride saying that the entire unit needs to be replaced, even when it is faulty.

[aviorp]

Its been a mixed feeling of owning the Scorp, so far. Looks like a series of issues, cropping up one after another. The clutch, gave way last night. Left the car at the IG workshop today and the cost for the replacement is Rs.10,400/-

Symptoms :

1. The clutch felt hard and shifting gears was not smooth
2. Accelerating results only in the engine revving and the car moves forward very slowly
3. The rpm drops quickly, while shifting gears.

Summary of my 8 months of ownership.

1. Kms done- 16,100
2. Total cost in maintenance and repair

a. 1st service - 5K
b. Clutch slave and assembly replaced - 2.5K
c. Paid service - 6K
d. Clutch replaced - 10.5K

Total : 23K

I can only hope that no other part will fail, atleast in the near future.

[4x4addict]

@aviorp:

Unless you are doing a lot of half clutching, 16,000 kms is too early for clutch failure. Please don't accept these kind of bull **** from the dealer. Raise it up mahindra. The contact details are on the scorpio website. It should have been covered under warranty. I know a scorpio that is used regularly in Bangalore traffic which had the clutch last longer than 80K kms.

This is definitely a defective part.

[aviorp]

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

@aviorp:

Unless you are doing a lot of half clutching, 16,000 kms is too early for clutch failure. Please don't accept these kind of bull **** from the dealer. Raise it up mahindra. The contact details are on the scorpio website. It should have been covered under warranty. I know a scorpio that is used regularly in Bangalore traffic which had the clutch last longer than 80K kms.

This is definitely a defective part.

4x4addict, this a pre-worshipped scorp. The odo reading is 60,400. 16K kms, is from the time I purchased it. So, I'm hoping its a genuine failure.

I even asked the SA, if they had not noticed anything unusual, since the last service was done a week ago. He said, its an internal part and hard to identify if it would fail, by physically looking at it.

[4x4addict]

@aviorp:

With pre-owned cars it is very hard to judge condition of the internal power train components, especially like life of clutch etc..

As you said at 60K kms, it is possible normal wear and tear based on city driving.

[aviorp]

Finally, got the car last night and below are the parts replaced.

1. Clutch driven plate : 6466.46
2. Clutch cover Assy SC-Vlx : 2269.81
3. Ball Bearing Crakshaft : 91.62
4. Concentric Slave Cy : 2741
5. Fly Wheel -85KW LXCRDI : 3504.50
6. Gear shift Grommet : 150.87
7. Clutch overhaul : 2815.00 (FOC)
Total : 17680 (after tax)

Details & pics under this link : Scorpio Mhawk Clutch Failure & Break Down

[aviorp]

Hi All,
I have done about 1500 Kms, since the clutch was replaced. The clutch and gear shift is much more smoother than earlier. Also, the acceleration has improved, however, there is not much of a change in the FE, as its still the 12 Kmpl mark. (It was 12.2 to be exact, tank full to tank full method)

Ahead of the rainy seaon, got the under chassis anti-rust coating done from 3M car care, yesterday.

Address : HSR Layout, 7th sector, 2nd right after silk board junction, next to Sweet Chariot and KC Das Sweets.

Contact person : Mr. Siddu - 9740520357.

Experience : After an appointment, visited the showroom around 4:30. Mr. Siddu, explained the various offerings.

About the anti-rust coating, there are two types. One comes with a 2 year warranty and the other with a 5 year warranty. For the later, they use a different type of product, that includes sound deadning, than the one offered for the former. It took about 2 hours for the complete procedure.

Its applied only on the chassis. Not on, fuel tank, exhaust, axle, engine etc.

Cost : Rs. 3795/-. Includes an inspection every 6 months.

Pics

Before the coating







Product used






After the coating







This is above the spare wheel.

[sachinayak]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Really helpful for anyone (like me) looking for a used car. Wish M&M (infact all manufacturers) had an online information
retrieval mechanism like Tata (kudos to them) based on registration number. It is shocking to see such open and glaring evidence of odo-tampering.

I had a query regarding the Scorpio mHawk. I understand that the ride of the mHawk is considerably better than earlier Scorpios, but is it good enough? In my case, the rear seat will be occupied almost always by my wife and my kiddo (in a car seat), to be used on a daily basis to work and back (30km round trip). Would it be even worth considering the mHawk (the older versions are definitely out of consideration) given this requirement and your experience. Trying to leverage out of your initial investigation around pre-owned scorpios.

Thx.

-SN

Originally Posted by aviorp

Dealer experience and how the 2nd Hand Market works.

From the time I decided it was a Scorp, I have spent nearly 2 to 3 hours everyday for almost 3 weeks, going around all the pre-owned car showrooms in Bangalore.

Number of Scorpio's found : Just 4 (mHawk and 2008 model)

Not even one 2009 model or 2010, even on Ad-mags or any other classifieds that I searched in those 15 odd days.

So, when I knew, this was the one for me, the dealer who quoted 8.75L bought the price down to 8.3L without too much of bargaining. He even showed a receipt of someone who tried to purchase the car 10 days ago for 8.35L, but could not buy as his loan was not approved. It was an actual receipt, similar to the one he provided me, so I know it was not fake. However, there was more to this.

'Middle-man' thing :

When I first visited National motors and the first Scorp that I drove, which I have mentioned in my buying experience, did not have any sought of documents nor service history. I was keen to know things and for the heck of it, I spoke to the dealer about bargaining. He called up someone and told me, he was the owner, however the guy could not answer things like, when was the last service done and why the tyres were changed. He only spoke about the price. So, I told the dealer, I want to meet the owner in person, he said he is not in bangalore. I asked him to give his address, he spilled the beans, saying rudely to me, 'how many people do you want to talk to'? and when I asked who was guy on the phone, he said it was 'middle-man'.

This guy is usally the one, who would have introduced the owner to the dealer and trying to make some profit. I bought this up with the dealer, from whom I bought the car, when he called someone over the phone and said it was the owner . The moment I said, I know he is just a middle-man, he said it was his friend. I bluntly said, I'm only going to pay the price of the car, which it holds in the market and not anything more, he bought it down to 8L.

I dint let it go there, as I wanted it at 7.5L and nothing more because from what I have seen and learnt, There is no fixed price for a pre-owned car. The value totally depends on 'You'. I spent close to 3 hours, talking to the dealer and the owner, explaining about the depreciation in prices, with every year. For example, the moment the car is out of a showroom and you want to sell it, there is a 15% flat dip. Considering that it had done over 40K kms and 2.5 years, it was just a matter of time and convincing those guys. More over, when I enquired about the previous owner, I came to know he bought a Laura. So, I bought this up often to the owner and persisted him to lower the price. Also informed him that I may have to change the tyres in some time, get it serviced and pay insurance in Jan, which was within 6 months and end up spending atleast 30 to 40K, he finalized the deal at 7.8L. I agreed to it, simply because the car had all the documents, accident-free, service history and well maintained.

It is time consuming and very tiring, but it might pay-off. I have learnt a lot from this experience and hope this is off some meaningful contribution to someone who is looking to buy a pre-owned car.

Cheers
Avinash

[aviorp]

Originally Posted by sachinayak

Thanks for sharing your experience. Really helpful for anyone (like me) looking for a used car. Wish M&M (infact all manufacturers) had an online information
retrieval mechanism like Tata (kudos to them) based on registration number. It is shocking to see such open and glaring evidence of odo-tampering.

I'm glad that you found the information useful sachinayak. You may use the link below to get some information about pre-owned cars, using the registration number.

BTIS - Bangalore Transport Information System

I had a query regarding the Scorpio mHawk. I understand that the ride of the mHawk is considerably better than earlier Scorpios, but is it good enough?

Well, since I had decided to go for the mHawk version, I dint bother test driving the non-crde or the crde version. More over, its tough to find a well maintained crde Scorp, with less number of kms done on the odo.

So, I can only compare the ride, to a sedan, as I had an accent for nearly 5 years. It is definitely not the same as sedan, especially on bad roads. The ride does get bumpy, but, how many times do you drive on bad roads? For example, when I took my parents (they are 60+) to Tirupathi last year, they enjoyed it more, than they actually did in our sedan.

In terms of Space and Comfort, the Scorp wins. Your little one will enjoy the most for sure. In terms of ride, don't expect it behave like a hatchback or sedan. It is definitely bumpy (on bad roads, of course)

Good luck with your hunt buddy.

[aviorp]

Hey guys,
There are certain days you'll cherish for a lifetime and today is one such day. It was exactly a year ago, I bought him home. He has helped me see some of the most beautiful places and has become an everyday part of my life. He has clocked nearly 20K kms and I wish to do a lot more in the coming years.

Summary of my one year of ownership.

1. Total Kms on odo : 64086
(At the time of purchase : 44321)

2. Kms done as of today : 19765

3. Service and Maintenance :
a. 18/10/2010 - 1st service : 5K
b. 20/1/2011 - 1st Issue : Oil leakage from the bottom of the clutch - Replaced M C Assembly and clutch tube slave oil : 2.5K
c. 27/4/2011 - 2nd Service : 6K
d. 20/5/2011 - Clutch replaced : 18K
e. Next service : Due next month

Total : 32K

Below are some pics that I took today.









Cheers
Avinash

[madhkris]

Nice thread Avinash. It was wonderful and informative to read your info on buying a used Scorpio. Any new updates and pics?