What's so special about BMW 7 series.

loving_alaap · 11th May 2009, 14:42

Well, based on description written in the test drive section at the hone page.

3 vs C & 5 vs E goes neck & neck.

with Merce wins for chauffeur driven comfort & Beemer wins for driving enthusiasm.

But if you go for comparison of S vs 7, IMO all the TEAM BHP gurus are mad about S.

Few lines form that.

"With each successive generation, the Mercedes S-Class raises the benchmark for extreme luxury sedans. This 9th generation S-Class has been internationally acclaimed as the best sedan in the world. If you can afford it, read no further - just go ahead and buy it."

"This is automotive engineering at its absolute best. "

add the magic of having a STAR on the bonnet, IMO S is the way to go.

morphin1 · 11th May 2009, 21:17

I have heard that the Merc S and the BMW 7 are cars that have a lot of problems.It would be better if you get some first hand feedback from actual owners as you dont want the car to be sitting in the showroom for half the year.
Just a word of caution. Also drive all the prospective cars on your regular route to see how comfortable you will be in the dirty Indian traffic.
I would recommend giving the reins of the 7/S to your chauffeur as i don't see these cars for leisure self cruising on the narrow Indian city roads.
If you want to get a car for self driving go for the BMW 5 series or E.
They are big enough to carry you guys in style and comfort and will also give you less tension in case of problems like accident,faults,etc.
If you want to spend 80-90 lakhs, why not get a BMW 5 and a BMW 3 series or even a Porsche Boxter......
that ways even the younger cousins can drive around in style.

Sahil · 12th May 2009, 10:33

The engine option to pick would be easier if we can give an approx on your monthly running.
BMW service inclusive pack has made my ownership experience hassel free. I strongly recommend taking that pack even though it might seem steep now.
Although I love the S, I don't trust mercedes electronics due to bitter past ownership experience. If you do decide to go for the S, do wait for the LED facelift one which looks much more slick!

spiff · 12th May 2009, 13:27

spend a little bit more and go buy the M5

no_limit · 12th May 2009, 22:05

Well if you are not in a hurry then wait for the new facelifted S which is due towards the later part of 09 or early 10.
If you are after a diesel then IMO S 320cdi is going to be your best bet. You might find the suspension on 7 series a bit on the harder side.

avishar · 13th May 2009, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiff

spend a little bit more and go buy the M5

He He....he wants to impress his clients not scare the hell out of them!!

GTO · 13th May 2009, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sahil

BMW service inclusive pack has made my ownership experience hassel free. I strongly recommend taking that pack even though it might seem steep now.

Is it already available for the 7? Can you find out how much for 5 years on the 730 & the 750?

Quote:

If you do decide to go for the S, do wait for the LED facelift one which looks much more slick!

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Originally Posted by no_limit

Well if you are not in a hurry then wait for the new facelifted S which is due towards the later part of 09 or early 10.

Absolutely. The facelift is just around the corner, might as well wait for it.

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Originally Posted by avishar

He He....he wants to impress his clients not scare the hell out of them!!

Technocrat · 13th May 2009, 14:02

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Is it already available for the 7? Can you find out how much for 5 years on the 730 & the 750?

I believe it was there for the older 7 (I remember EVO6 opting for something like this)so should be there for new too

loving_alaap · 13th May 2009, 14:16

530 is a monster.

look into the below thread.

520D or 530i or 530D

Sahil · 13th May 2009, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

Is it already available for the 7? Can you find out how much for 5 years on the 730 & the 750?

Absolutely. The facelift is just around the corner, might as well wait for it.

All cars are launched with the service pack by default. Even the lowest selling x3 came with it optional.
Will reconfirm availabilty and price once I'm back from my current trip.

v10 · 17th May 2009, 10:48

The 7 cannot match the S class for comfort at all. If you're looking for comfort go with the S Class. Its not called the best car in the world for no reason. And its great to drive too. Though with the beemer will be more exclusive (atleast for a year).

BUT

If i were you, I'd wait for the 2009 Jag XJ. Its due this July. Will definately be a nice twist from the 'regular', if you may call it, S class' and 7's.
Or the Audi A8 later this year but the JAG will definately be something to wait for.

BeamerBoy · 17th May 2009, 11:53

The S class is for comfort & luxury. Understood. But then the 7er won't leave you bruised and battered either! Sit in a 7 & you won't complain.

The 7er is a driver's car. Ultimate driving machine. Understood. But then the S class is not a walk over as well.

Audi A8: Confused machine in a demanding segment. I do not know what is it positioned as & how it is perceived in the market. What I have is the sales figures from SIAM. Not impressive as I would expect.

If I were you, test drive both 7er & S class. Pick up the one I love the most. We, here at TBHP will offer you opinions but then perspectives differ. I TD'ed the 7er and I loved it. As well, BMW stands out there with a complete portfolio as I stated earlier.

- 7er comes with loads of toys inside. Helps impress your guests.
- 7er comes with upto 5yr/100 maintenance pack. I am relaxed knowing the cost of my ownership of 7er. Merc/Audi: They only go as far as covering the 3rd year (possibly 4th). Implying that these 2 are themselves not clear what would coming in terms of expenses.
- 7er comes with a secure option. That means if you have the package applicable then the depreciation portion for an accident repair is covered by BMW. Important: This is no small a cover. Consider this - A8, S & 7er all come with their single headlamp priced between 60,000 to 80,000 INR. These are classified as plastic & hence carry 50% depreciation. So, one brush with APSRTC & you loose close to 30,000 bucks.

One more thing. BMW beat Merc in sales figure for the 1st Quarter 2009. Merc is gunning to regain its position & therefore possibility of a heavy discount. With 7er, this is a new car. No discounts known so far. However, if I understand you correctly, if money was the issue then we wouldn't be discussing S class/7er/A8 over here.

All the best for your decision. All the best foryour purchase.

ajmat · 17th May 2009, 13:04

Am sitting in a north east province of China and the new & is already available. BMW have moved fast. Jags and LR's are popular. Tata ought to push harder. This is boom town out here!

vinaydas · 17th May 2009, 13:07

have you considered importing a lexus? yes its not locally available yet but service wont be a problem as toyota will take care of it. But from the thread im guessing you already booked the 7 and you are basically asking whether it is worth the 80sh odd lacs.
The answer is Yes and No.
Yes because it's a killer package
No because the tax system totally screw's the VFM factor. Well you cant change the tax system atleast for now.
So i would say definitely worth it.

Rude7 · 25th May 2009, 11:37

Thanks a lot for the replies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamerBoy

The S class is for comfort & luxury. Understood. But then the 7er won't leave you bruised and battered either! Sit in a 7 & you won't complain.

The 7er is a driver's car. Ultimate driving machine. Understood. But then the S class is not a walk over as well.

Audi A8: Confused machine in a demanding segment. I do not know what is it positioned as & how it is perceived in the market. What I have is the sales figures from SIAM. Not impressive as I would expect.

If I were you, test drive both 7er & S class. Pick up the one I love the most. We, here at TBHP will offer you opinions but then perspectives differ. I TD'ed the 7er and I loved it. As well, BMW stands out there with a complete portfolio as I stated earlier.

- 7er comes with loads of toys inside. Helps impress your guests.
- 7er comes with upto 5yr/100 maintenance pack. I am relaxed knowing the cost of my ownership of 7er. Merc/Audi: They only go as far as covering the 3rd year (possibly 4th). Implying that these 2 are themselves not clear what would coming in terms of expenses.
- 7er comes with a secure option. That means if you have the package applicable then the depreciation portion for an accident repair is covered by BMW. Important: This is no small a cover. Consider this - A8, S & 7er all come with their single headlamp priced between 60,000 to 80,000 INR. These are classified as plastic & hence carry 50% depreciation. So, one brush with APSRTC & you loose close to 30,000 bucks.

One more thing. BMW beat Merc in sales figure for the 1st Quarter 2009. Merc is gunning to regain its position & therefore possibility of a heavy discount. With 7er, this is a new car. No discounts known so far. However, if I understand you correctly, if money was the issue then we wouldn't be discussing S class/7er/A8 over here.

All the best for your decision. All the best foryour purchase.

dear friend,I've showed your reply to my father and cousins.He has changed his mind on BMW 7 series.And our previous cars are 4 endeavours, 3 scorpios,4 safaris and 4 innovas.When ever we buy a car,we book the car on June 18th,it's a lucky day for us and our company.Seeing your scary reply,we reduced our excitement to get a premium car and started thinking about that carefully.And our previous cars had met with serious damages previously and it did not cost much for us.

At present,my father is really scared to get a bmw 7 series.And also we checked the mercedes S class as said,even that was comfortable for all of us.But only one of my cousins said that the drive wasn't so good as the bmw 7.

And from 2 days I was spending a lot of time on this site.4X4 topic is pretty interesting and I don't know that people are so crazy about cars and driving.And I just started to learn driving :(.I am learnin drivin with alto and i am not comfortable with.

Can anyone tell me what is the best car for starters to drive on the roads like hyderabad.My office is in gachibowli and our company offices are in banjara hills,Madhapur.I have to start attending my office from this july.I am learning driving in this time and my father is getting me a new car.

I don't want a Ultra premium luxury car ,I just a a mid range luxury or just luxury car with drive comfort and in particular,more more more drive comfort,like if I buy the car,I should be happy taking it to a drive to outside.

Currently I have a thunderbird and I go on a ride for it every morning.And I just want the same with my car.

I think you people don't mind for my request.

11th May 2009, 14:42	#16
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 808 Thanked: 9 Times	Well, based on description written in the test drive section at the hone page. 3 vs C & 5 vs E goes neck & neck. with Merce wins for chauffeur driven comfort & Beemer wins for driving enthusiasm. But if you go for comparison of S vs 7, IMO all the TEAM BHP gurus are mad about S. Few lines form that. "With each successive generation, the Mercedes S-Class raises the benchmark for extreme luxury sedans. This 9th generation S-Class has been internationally acclaimed as the best sedan in the world. If you can afford it, read no further - just go ahead and buy it." "This is automotive engineering at its absolute best. " add the magic of having a STAR on the bonnet, IMO S is the way to go.
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11th May 2009, 21:17	#17
morphin1 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 196 Thanked: 54 Times View My Garage	I have heard that the Merc S and the BMW 7 are cars that have a lot of problems.It would be better if you get some first hand feedback from actual owners as you dont want the car to be sitting in the showroom for half the year. Just a word of caution. Also drive all the prospective cars on your regular route to see how comfortable you will be in the dirty Indian traffic. I would recommend giving the reins of the 7/S to your chauffeur as i don't see these cars for leisure self cruising on the narrow Indian city roads. If you want to get a car for self driving go for the BMW 5 series or E. They are big enough to carry you guys in style and comfort and will also give you less tension in case of problems like accident,faults,etc. If you want to spend 80-90 lakhs, why not get a BMW 5 and a BMW 3 series or even a Porsche Boxter...... that ways even the younger cousins can drive around in style. Last edited by morphin1 : 11th May 2009 at 21:18.
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12th May 2009, 10:33	#18
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,356 Thanked: 8,057 Times	The engine option to pick would be easier if we can give an approx on your monthly running. BMW service inclusive pack has made my ownership experience hassel free. I strongly recommend taking that pack even though it might seem steep now. Although I love the S, I don't trust mercedes electronics due to bitter past ownership experience. If you do decide to go for the S, do wait for the LED facelift one which looks much more slick!
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12th May 2009, 13:27	#19
spiff BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 157 Thanked: 8 Times	spend a little bit more and go buy the M5
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12th May 2009, 22:05	#20
no_limit BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Birmingham, U.K, Jaipur (India) Posts: 72 Thanked: 4 Times	Well if you are not in a hurry then wait for the new facelifted S which is due towards the later part of 09 or early 10. If you are after a diesel then IMO S 320cdi is going to be your best bet. You might find the suspension on 7 series a bit on the harder side.
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13th May 2009, 14:16	#24
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 808 Thanked: 9 Times	530 is a monster. look into the below thread. 520D or 530i or 530D Last edited by loving_alaap : 13th May 2009 at 14:22.
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17th May 2009, 10:48	#26
v10 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 793 Thanked: 45 Times	The 7 cannot match the S class for comfort at all. If you're looking for comfort go with the S Class. Its not called the best car in the world for no reason. And its great to drive too. Though with the beemer will be more exclusive (atleast for a year). BUT If i were you, I'd wait for the 2009 Jag XJ. Its due this July. Will definately be a nice twist from the 'regular', if you may call it, S class' and 7's. Or the Audi A8 later this year but the JAG will definately be something to wait for.
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17th May 2009, 11:53	#27
BeamerBoy BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 316 Thanked: 134 Times	The S class is for comfort & luxury. Understood. But then the 7er won't leave you bruised and battered either! Sit in a 7 & you won't complain. The 7er is a driver's car. Ultimate driving machine. Understood. But then the S class is not a walk over as well. Audi A8: Confused machine in a demanding segment. I do not know what is it positioned as & how it is perceived in the market. What I have is the sales figures from SIAM. Not impressive as I would expect. If I were you, test drive both 7er & S class. Pick up the one I love the most. We, here at TBHP will offer you opinions but then perspectives differ. I TD'ed the 7er and I loved it. As well, BMW stands out there with a complete portfolio as I stated earlier. - 7er comes with loads of toys inside. Helps impress your guests. - 7er comes with upto 5yr/100 maintenance pack. I am relaxed knowing the cost of my ownership of 7er. Merc/Audi: They only go as far as covering the 3rd year (possibly 4th). Implying that these 2 are themselves not clear what would coming in terms of expenses. - 7er comes with a secure option. That means if you have the package applicable then the depreciation portion for an accident repair is covered by BMW. Important: This is no small a cover. Consider this - A8, S & 7er all come with their single headlamp priced between 60,000 to 80,000 INR. These are classified as plastic & hence carry 50% depreciation. So, one brush with APSRTC & you loose close to 30,000 bucks. One more thing. BMW beat Merc in sales figure for the 1st Quarter 2009. Merc is gunning to regain its position & therefore possibility of a heavy discount. With 7er, this is a new car. No discounts known so far. However, if I understand you correctly, if money was the issue then we wouldn't be discussing S class/7er/A8 over here. All the best for your decision. All the best foryour purchase.
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17th May 2009, 13:04	#28
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 15,201 Thanked: 31,511 Times View My Garage	Am sitting in a north east province of China and the new & is already available. BMW have moved fast. Jags and LR's are popular. Tata ought to push harder. This is boom town out here!
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17th May 2009, 13:07	#29
vinaydas BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,399 Thanked: 148 Times	have you considered importing a lexus? yes its not locally available yet but service wont be a problem as toyota will take care of it. But from the thread im guessing you already booked the 7 and you are basically asking whether it is worth the 80sh odd lacs. The answer is Yes and No. Yes because it's a killer package No because the tax system totally screw's the VFM factor. Well you cant change the tax system atleast for now. So i would say definitely worth it.
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