[aseem]

Team,
Finally I have decided to wait a year for my new car purchase as no new cars under 10 lakhs that are of interest to me. SX4 is too Swiftish for my taste, Corolla is outdated, Optra is better to be driven in than to drive, NHC Vtec didnt excite me to cough up 9 lakhs, Vernas looks scare me....
In short all the cars under 10 lakhs dont rock my boat.

So I have decided to mod my Swift. I am not looking for bodykits etc. I already have allows and Potenza GIII rubber. I am looking only for performance mods for my Swift. Turbocharging sounds sweet, but I dont know the cost or risks associated with it. Mileage under 10 kmpl is not acceptable either. I have no idea how much gain can be reached with FFE, spark plugs, KNN.... I think the gains from them are pretty marginal. I am thus contemplating TC, and not that much boost needed. I would be happy with 100-120 bhp from my Swift and need the cheapest route to achieve that. I am willing to shell out 1.5 - 2 lakhs max. Though the cheaper the better without any niggling issues. I understand that we have a dearth of tuners in north and dont mind traveling to bbay to get this done, but need to know whats required upfront.

[kpzen]

FFE & K&N would only give u gain of max 3-5bhp....
Is engine transplant possible in a Swift??

[mclaren1885]

Aseem what you need is 2.5L for a reliable, sweet TCed setup for a swift. Running about 8psi. Which will bring you to the 120bhp mark with port/polished head, cam change, headers, FFE etc. Worth every penny I must say. Infact as an inspiration do read the thread titled "Totally Psyched Out" or visit psycho's garage.

[aseem]

How about TC with a limited boost or whatever gives me around 100-110 bhp... preferably under 1.5 lakhs and max 2 lakhs with stock engine.

[aseem]

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Aseem what you need is 2.5L for a reliable, sweet TCed setup for a swift. Running about 8psi. Which will bring you to the 120bhp mark with port/polished head, cam change, headers, FFE etc. Worth every penny I must say. Infact as an inspiration do read the thread titled "Totally Psyched Out" or visit psycho's garage.

Thanks Rahul, can you provide more details as to what all is required doing this... I am total novice and I do plan on reading the thread you have mentioned.

[mclaren1885]

Originally Posted by aseem

How about TC with a limited boost or whatever gives me around 100-110 bhp... preferably under 1.5 lakhs and max 2 lakhs with stock engine.

Not unless you want to compromise on a second hand turbo, local plumbing etc to get it under 1.5L. All the below mentioned mods will only enhance engine performance/efficiency. At 7-8psi you will achieve about the desired figure you are looking at. I suggest you go one step further and do it the right way to achieve best results. More importantly reliability and a hassle free ownership. Its worth every penny trust me. I have been dreaming of this for the last year.

What you would need is:

1. Garrett Turbo - Farhan, jitu and keshav will be in a better position to give you the model numbers.
2. Intercooler.
3. BOV.
4. External wastegate.
5. FPR.
6. Silicon hoses/plumbing.
7. Performance cam.
8. Upgraded fuel pump maybe.
9. Modded Suspension definitely to take up additional stress and improve handling.

Guys feel free to add if I have missed out on something.

[Godfather]

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Not unless you want to compromise on a second hand turbo, local plumbing etc to get it under 1.5L.

Dont go second hand..
I would suggest you go stage by stage
Stage 1
1. Porting and polishing
2. FF and Cold air intake
3. Change Plugs.
4. Work on ThrottleBody
5. Change cams.
6. get light weight clutch


Drive the vehicle. Get a hang of it.
Stage2
If you want more mods then go in for a Turbo.. Get new ones..
If a new Turbo does not fit into your budget get a used one which is preferably in a Good condition.. I think more guys on this forum will help you out in sourcing it..

Also do consider upgrading the Brakes after all that... Speed is good but you should be in control.

OT.. Does autopsyche (arush) do a Turbo job on cars??
If yes them you may not have to travel to Bombay also.

Godfather

[aseem]

Originally Posted by Godfather

Dont go second hand..
I would suggest you go stage by stage
Stage 1
1. Porting and polishing
2. FF and Cold air intake
3. Change Plugs.
4. Work on ThrottleBody
5. Change cams.
6. get light weight clutch


Drive the vehicle. Get a hang of it.


Godfather

Thanks... how much gain is expected from Stage I and whats the approx cost of the things listed?

[mclaren1885]

1. Porting and polishing - 8-10bhp. 10-15k depending on tuners.
2. FFE and Cold air intake - 2-3bhp. 4k for FFE and 3.5k for air filter.
3. Change Plugs - No difference.
4. Work on ThrottleBody - Will improve throttle response. 3-5k.
5. Change cams - 5-10bhp depending on cam profile. 18-30k.
6. get light weight clutch - Will help you transfer power better. Depend on the stage of the clutch. Though stock clutch should hold 7psi easily.

Though, TCing is an all new experience.

[aseem]

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

1. Porting and polishing - 8-10bhp. 10-15k depending on tuners.

Any good tuners in Delhi that have been tried and tested? Have heard conflicting reviews about Delhi tuners claiming too high figures to believe, need someone who knows his job, willing to travel to bbay if need be.

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

2. FFE and Cold air intake - 2-3bhp. 4k for FFE and 3.5k for air filter.

Cold air intake and KNN can be done, but is FFE worth the hassle? heard some really bad jobs from Automech..... Is removing Cat a neccesity?

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

3. Change Plugs - No difference.

Why do we need them if no difference?

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

4. Work on ThrottleBody - Will improve throttle response. 3-5k.

Can you ellaborate on this...

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

5. Change cams - 5-10bhp depending on cam profile. 18-30k.

Are these imports? Any companies I should be looking at, any specs???

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

6. get light weight clutch - Will help you transfer power better. Depend on the stage of the clutch. Though stock clutch should hold 7psi easily.

Again brand??? And with above mods, is a light weight clutch neccesity?


8-10 for porting and polishing
2-3 from FFE and cold air intake
8-10 from cams...

Thats means a 110 bhp Swift without TCing.... Does this involve overhauling engine (forgive me total noob)... What are the risks involved? Would this give me the oomph. All the mods mentioned here can be done 60k.. Fit the budget very well provided I can get true 110 bhp and a realiable car....

[mclaren1885]

Originally Posted by aseem

Any good tuners in Delhi that have been tried and tested? Have heard conflicting reviews about Delhi tuners claiming too high figures to believe, need someone who knows his job, willing to travel to bbay if need be.

Go to arush. He will handle it for you.

Cold air intake and KNN can be done, but is FFE worth the hassle? heard some really bad jobs from Automech..... Is removing Cat a neccesity?

Yes it is. Its lets the exhaust gases flow out effectively. Once again arush will do this for you. Stay away from mass marketers like automech.

Why do we need them if no difference?

You dont! Read this thread "Dude I bolted 25bhp FAQ".

Can you ellaborate on this...

Throttle body is enlarged to get a smoother & higher flow of air.

Are these imports? Any companies I should be looking at, any specs???

Piper, crower or a stock regrind.

Again brand??? And with above mods, is a light weight clutch neccesity?

Diken Exedy. Stock clutch will be enough.

All the above mentioned mods might give you about 10-15bhp.

Thats means a 110 bhp Swift without TCing.... Does this involve overhauling engine (forgive me total noob)... What are the risks involved? Would this give me the oomph. All the mods mentioned here can be done 60k.. Fit the budget very well provided I can get true 110 bhp and a realiable car....

No, it does not involve overhauling the engine. Risks are minimal provided the tuner knows what he is doing. You will surely find the difference in power. Apart from the above mentioned rates you will have to include head gasket, intake and exhaust gasket, labour.

[Godfather]

Originally Posted by aseem

Any good tuners in Delhi that have been tried and tested? Have heard conflicting reviews about Delhi tuners claiming too high figures to believe, need someone who knows his job, willing to travel to bbay if need be.

Not sure about tuners in Delhi.. My best bet is Arush.. He is also a TBHPIIAN and is knows as autopsyche.

Originally Posted by aseem

Cold air intake and KNN can be done, but is FFE worth the hassle? heard some really bad jobs from Automech..... Is removing Cat a neccesity?

There are other brands available.. Like Greddy. Ajmat on Tbhp is running one on his Baleno.. Should fit the Swift also. You can remove the CAT.. Its not necessary but when you do a FF job then adding a Straight pipe is a better bet. for that CAT has to be removed.

Originally Posted by aseem

Can you ellaborate on this...

Working on ThrottleBody will help in better air/fuel ratio.. esp after all these mods you dont want the car to sputter for lack of fuel.

Originally Posted by aseem

Are these imports? Any companies I should be looking at, any specs???

Yep Imports.. Psycho can help better here..

Originally Posted by aseem

Again brand??? And with above mods, is a light weight clutch neccesity?

There are a lot of Indian and Imported brands available.. ranging from 5K to 15K..

Originally Posted by aseem

Thats means a 110 bhp Swift without TCing.... Does this involve overhauling engine (forgive me total noob)... What are the risks involved? Would this give me the oomph. All the mods mentioned here can be done 60k.. Fit the budget very well provided I can get true 110 bhp and a realiable car....

The above what MCL told are not exact figures.. They are approximate.. My bet is that after all this you can expect close to maxx 15 BHP raise in power.


Godfather

[theMAG]

Perhaps this thread should help more intuitively

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ions-here.html

[mclaren1885]

Originally Posted by Godfather

There are other brands available.. Like Greddy. Ajmat on Tbhp is running one on his Baleno..

Ajmat has a Vtec you nitwit.

Aseem also all these figures are just approximate. Both the BHP and dough for the mods. Also add headers to the list below.

[Godfather]

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Ajmat has a Vtec you nitwit.

sorry..

Godfather