Gypsy engine swapping with Baleno 1.6L engine ?

kaushik_s · 3rd October 2008, 13:01

Is it possible to swap the gypsy engine to that of a Baleno 1.6L engine ? Can the chassis take 1.6L ? The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine. What other modifications will be necessary if it's possible to swap the engine? Can someone please help me out.

Blue Thunder · 3rd October 2008, 13:17

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Originally Posted by kaushik_s

Is it possible to swap the gypsy engine to that of a Baleno 1.6L engine ? Can the chassis take 1.6L ?

One of our Mumbai TBHPians has done this, I guess. You can check the thread http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-of...ason-08-a.html of pdev29, for more details.

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Originally Posted by kaushik_s

...The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine. ..

1.1 MPFI engine ???

This is an already modified Gypsy? Which engine is this : the earlier Alto's ?

MalluDude · 3rd October 2008, 13:35

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Originally Posted by kaushik_s

The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine.

It's not 1.3?? The Esteem unit?

kaushik_s · 3rd October 2008, 19:54

I'm not sure as this Gypsy belongs to a friend of mine and he has told me that it's 1.1L mpfi. I guess may be he was wrong and it's 1.3L.
Thanks for the link BlueThunder, so that means it's possible. now would like to know about the technicalities involved.

silver_shadow · 3rd October 2008, 20:49

where are you planning to get this done BTW? the car is in bangy right?

kaushik_s · 3rd October 2008, 22:19

Yup, the car in question is in Bangy only. And BTW it's for a friend of mine who is planning this but he is not very sure if it can be actually done and hence he asked me to ask for opinion here. So we are not sure where and when to do it, but my friend seems to be very much interested to try this.

pawan · 3rd October 2008, 22:35

i am guessing only the engine mounts have to be modified to reduce the height but not sure about the gypsy mounting.

when he is swapping it ask him to make sure on a important part some guys who do these swaps weld the gap holes from the 13b gearbox to make it fit on the 16b there is a gap in the gear box ask him not to do that.

instead ask him to get the bell housing of the g16b and mate it to the g13b gear box.

the swap can be done.

GTO · 4th October 2008, 14:36

Wouldn't it be a challenge mating a FWD engine to RWD / 4x4? And you better get the engine mounting correct. Last thing you need in the middle of nowhere is a dislocated engine!

Ricky_63 · 4th October 2008, 16:21

Baleno engines have been transplanted into Gypsy successfully. No issues once fitted right. Do not know too much about the techy side of it, but works well & am told it is not problematic.

Cheers

kaushik_s · 5th October 2008, 00:41

Thanks Pawan for the info, will inform my friend.
Yeah GTO, I hope the work need to be done with a expert.
Thanks Ricky, any idea if it's done in Bangalore?

Infact any TBHPian from Bangalore have tried it?

NomadVagabond · 19th March 2009, 00:37

I want to do the same too. I've got a 1.3L Carb engine in my Gypsy. I want to put a Baleno 1.6L. What all modifications might be needed? And if possible a cost estimate too.

Regards,

Anirban.

dwaraka · 14th April 2009, 11:30

Kaushik,

Baleno engine can be easily mated to Gypsy platform and the chassis is strong enough to take load of engine. I was initially interested in Baleno or Gypsy King engine, which were literally not available. Hence, settled down for Isuzu 1800 cc engine.

Dwarak

NomadVagabond · 14th April 2009, 17:37

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Originally Posted by dwaraka

Kaushik,

Baleno engine can be easily mated to Gypsy platform and the chassis is strong enough to take load of engine. I was initially interested in Baleno or Gypsy King engine, which were literally not available. Hence, settled down for Isuzu 1800 cc engine.

Dwarak

Well yes the Isuzu 1800 cc engine also gets mated with the Gypsy gearbox etc and also retains the 4WD. But, this year in the Desert Storm there was a Gypsy which was having the same config, and the driver was complaining about the extra weight of the 1800 cc engine. Someone else also was saying that the engine is about 40-50 odd kgs more heavier than the 1300 original engine and thus makes the vehicle front heavy. I'm not very knowledgeable in this field and I'm only repeating what was told to me by those people who've been into Gypsy's for a long time. What are your views about that?? Is your Gypsy mated with the 5-speed GB or the older 410's 4-speed GB?

Regards,

Anirban.

dwaraka · 15th April 2009, 11:16

Anirban,

your citing is correct. Isuzu 1800 cc engine and gearbox will add a weight of atleast 50 kgs to the overall weight. Racing gypsies will have drag because of weight. But the power output from the same engine and gearbox should compensate the performance. Usually more power.

My gypsy is mated with 5+1 speed gearbox of Isuzu make.

I keep my fingers crossed and hope for good performance and maintenance.

Warm regards,
Dwarak

COUGAR · 15th April 2009, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky_63

Baleno engines have been transplanted into Gypsy successfully. No issues once fitted right.

Can 4WD be retained after the engine swap? Or will the gypsy be a 2WD?

3rd October 2008, 13:01	#1
kaushik_s Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,088 Thanked: 164 Times View My Garage	Gypsy engine swapping with Baleno 1.6L engine ? Is it possible to swap the gypsy engine to that of a Baleno 1.6L engine ? Can the chassis take 1.6L ? The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine. What other modifications will be necessary if it's possible to swap the engine? Can someone please help me out.
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3rd October 2008, 19:54	#4
kaushik_s Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,088 Thanked: 164 Times View My Garage	I'm not sure as this Gypsy belongs to a friend of mine and he has told me that it's 1.1L mpfi. I guess may be he was wrong and it's 1.3L. Thanks for the link BlueThunder, so that means it's possible. now would like to know about the technicalities involved.
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3rd October 2008, 20:49	#5
silver_shadow BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 366 Thanked: 3 Times	where are you planning to get this done BTW? the car is in bangy right?
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3rd October 2008, 22:19	#6
kaushik_s Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,088 Thanked: 164 Times View My Garage	Yup, the car in question is in Bangy only. And BTW it's for a friend of mine who is planning this but he is not very sure if it can be actually done and hence he asked me to ask for opinion here. So we are not sure where and when to do it, but my friend seems to be very much interested to try this.
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3rd October 2008, 22:35	#7
pawan BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: auckland, new zealand Posts: 868 Thanked: 4 Times	i am guessing only the engine mounts have to be modified to reduce the height but not sure about the gypsy mounting. when he is swapping it ask him to make sure on a important part some guys who do these swaps weld the gap holes from the 13b gearbox to make it fit on the 16b there is a gap in the gear box ask him not to do that. instead ask him to get the bell housing of the g16b and mate it to the g13b gear box. the swap can be done.
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4th October 2008, 14:36	#8
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,535 Thanked: 300,745 Times View My Garage	Wouldn't it be a challenge mating a FWD engine to RWD / 4x4? And you better get the engine mounting correct. Last thing you need in the middle of nowhere is a dislocated engine!
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4th October 2008, 16:21	#9
Ricky_63 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,885 Thanked: 518 Times View My Garage	Baleno engines have been transplanted into Gypsy successfully. No issues once fitted right. Do not know too much about the techy side of it, but works well & am told it is not problematic. Cheers
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5th October 2008, 00:41	#10
kaushik_s Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,088 Thanked: 164 Times View My Garage	Thanks Pawan for the info, will inform my friend. Yeah GTO, I hope the work need to be done with a expert. Thanks Ricky, any idea if it's done in Bangalore? Infact any TBHPian from Bangalore have tried it?
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19th March 2009, 00:37	#11
NomadVagabond BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dilli Meri Jaan Posts: 75 Thanked: Once View My Garage	I want to do the same too. I've got a 1.3L Carb engine in my Gypsy. I want to put a Baleno 1.6L. What all modifications might be needed? And if possible a cost estimate too. Regards, Anirban.
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14th April 2009, 11:30	#12
dwaraka Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,240 Thanked: 229 Times	Kaushik, Baleno engine can be easily mated to Gypsy platform and the chassis is strong enough to take load of engine. I was initially interested in Baleno or Gypsy King engine, which were literally not available. Hence, settled down for Isuzu 1800 cc engine. Dwarak
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15th April 2009, 11:16	#14
dwaraka Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,240 Thanked: 229 Times	Anirban, your citing is correct. Isuzu 1800 cc engine and gearbox will add a weight of atleast 50 kgs to the overall weight. Racing gypsies will have drag because of weight. But the power output from the same engine and gearbox should compensate the performance. Usually more power. My gypsy is mated with 5+1 speed gearbox of Isuzu make. I keep my fingers crossed and hope for good performance and maintenance. Warm regards, Dwarak
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