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Originally Posted by crazydiablo Even though Karthik had many mind changes at the end all he wanted was a fast street car which was 'Reliable'. I guess that the reason why he dropped FI plans also. |
Yup! Karthik can be influenced very easily IMO. And he normally wishes to make the wrong decisions
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Secondly if a car is not ready, it should never leave the tuner's place. There is no excuse for that.
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Completely agree on that one. If I had even the slightest of clue that the car was running high compression I would have taken a bus to TVM instead of risking driving the car without an ECU.
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Why is a street car running high compression so thta it knocks on 91 octane?
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Amongst all the hooplah of saying I want a street reliable fast car, I know deep inside Karthik wanted to build a car that would be good at the drag strip too. AFAIK, he wanted a car that could beat 16.287 secs on a 1/4 mile (time set by my car and that is what he was promised). The discussion on the build ended there.
One more thing, at some point when Karthik wasn't able to find out what compression he was running, I asked him to go get the in cylinder compression tested from MASS, that way we could know if the knocking was due to higher compression or some other issue. But he didn't do that either.
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Why was the owner unaware that he is running hig compression?
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Good point, exactly my thoughts. Infact, when I figured the car was knocking I immediately asked Karthik to call up and inform them about the situation and see if they could send a ECU down or advice him to run octane boosters. But he was just asked to drive the car back home without belting it.
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Why was the owner not instructed on the high octane and the right octane fuel?
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I did ask Karthik to pick up some octane boosters from Peter at Cochin. But he didn't bother paying head to my words. After trying to knock sense into him a couple of times I gave up.
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Cant really give a solution can we, by saying ECU will solve all issues. I dont agree to that. Why increase compression and then back off timing? Kinda beats the whole point.
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I kinda agree to your point, but the baleno being a distributorless ignition type only makes it a tad harder. But given the situation, the only way you can stop the knocking is either by using a FPR and pumping in excess fuel or get an ECU to handle everything. I would recommend the later.
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Now Rahul, coming to suspension understeering. Pedders are just street suspensions. They are not adjustable but VRD.
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IIRC, Karthik tells me he was told they are adjustable. I don't know how far this is true, but seeing that his knowledge about most things apart from bling is next to zero he could have misinterpreted it completely.. And I did try to hint at him that they weren't adjustable but he kept arguing, so I gave up. If I were him, if I could afford to spend 50k on suspension, I would have gone a bit further and picked up J.Anand's suspension. Atleast its tried and tested and the best we can buy in this country apart from DMS.
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Shrey, I disagree with you on a few things there. Why are you saying "you guys"? Why is Rahul in the picture? There are only two people responsible for a build: The Owner and the Tuner. Its as simple as that. Karthik asked for something but did he really get what he asked?
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Honestly, I don't think Karthik at any point of time knew what he wanted. He just kept swaying with different opinions by the minute.
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But would a newbie to modding know when his cars knock? Would he know if there was actually an issue. I believe Karthik has neither modded any of his cars before nor has been in many modded balenos.
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Honestly, Karthik's knowledge about engine related stuff is zero. He didn't even realize his car was knocking even after I mentioned it to him. At the same time I can confidently say that had I not been around to keep warning him, he would have blown that engine to bits. I was more like his speed limiter
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Whats the obsession with short ration gearboxes anyways? Why would you hvae a short ratio gearbox to end up with a top speed slower than a stock car?
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I must say even I used to think the same earlier. But once I switches to a shorter ratio gearbox I actually loved it. But I also prefer not loosing out on the top end too much. IMO, I got the best setup for my car. Short enough, yet keeps my car around a 200kmph elantra.
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Originally Posted by v1p3r You have to drive a good close-ratio box to understand. And for most of us, who almost never hit the highway for sustained periods, top speeds are merely academic. |
I agree with his first statement, but since I am one of those guys who loves driving on the highway top speeds do matter a lot to me.
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Originally Posted by crazydiablo Cant compare our cars to the type r or a ferrari. The reason for short ratios on those cars is not the reason to have it on a baleno. |
I agree with the logic. The only reason to run a short ratio gearbox would be to see if you like it. Not because some Ferrari or Porsche is running one.
Let me just clear up a few issues here to all parties concerned, the owner, the tuner and the rest. I have heard some people make some comments like "Why do you let Tom, Dick, Harry drive your car" to Karthik. As much as I know it was aimed at me, let me make it very clear that at no point did I try to strain the engine on that car because I am very well aware what happens when your car is knocking. Like I mentioned earlier the top speed I hit was some 115kmph. And that for all those who know me is a joke. Last thing I need is people thinking I belted the car around. Infact it was quite the contrary, I kept asking Karthik to take care of his car and had plenty of arguments on the topic too.
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Originally Posted by karthik247 Now recently, last week when we took the car out for a spin, we just tried launching the car at 4000rpm and the gearbox snapped. 1st gear was gone. It would engage but the car wouldn't move. |
This incident happened the day I was in Cochin.
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Right now, i don't think its right to blame anyone as the build is still incomplete.
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True! But the point we are trying to make is, why was the car out with the build incomplete? Did you force them saying you had to be at TVM with the car? Leaving them with no choice but to deliver the car? If my worst fears are true and you do have a blown engine who is going to take the responsibility for it? If I were you, I would do the following:
1. Get the ECU fitted first.
2. Get the cams and headers to boost up your top end of the rev range.
3. Change the ratios.
4. Go back to a stage 1 clutch.
More importantly, I would first ask myself what I want from a build and stick to it than changing my mind every 2 secs. I remember you telling me you wanted to go turbo just before I left TVM. And kindly learn to respect your car. Launching at 4,000 rpm knowing your car is knocking is plain stupid. Specially given the situation you had to go through in the previous few days to this incident I am even surprised you have the guts to try all this. Karthik, when will you learn a lesson?