[MadRasTan4986]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Looks like my fears have come true -

At 4.69L ex showroom for the Ninja 400, I think it is priced way too close to the Ninja 650 priced at 5.44 L ex showroom. Z650 comes even closer at 4.99L ex showroom.

indeed. Looks like we'll be seeing more people swing a leg over the Yamaha R3 than Ninja400. Sad indeed.

Is IKM even serious about making a mark in the Indian market. First the split up from Bajaj leading to all sorts of shenanigans at their service centres and exorbitant service costs as well.My dad still has the 2010 Ninja 250 and it's running so well. But thanks to the pathetic service centre (there is only one in Chennai that I know of) thanks to that, what was going to be keeper for life, will probably be sold off soon and most likely we'll have another Yamaha, an R3 in our stables.

[tanuj_afc]

Originally Posted by Shumi_21

Just noticed this:

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The Indian version of the N400 makes 49hp in comparison to the 45hp that the Ninja makes non India markets. But still it does not justify that pricing!

I am pretty sure that this is some sort of typing error. Many motorcycles that make it to india have there engines tuned down to account for our fuel. For ex, the 2018 Honda CBR650F. But this is the first case I have seen where the indian spec bike makes more power than the European version.

Could be a mistake from what I know, but even it's not, Kawasaki has still managed to price this into oblivion.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by tanuj_afc

I am pretty sure that this is some sort of typing error.

Has to be a mistake, but cant be a typo. They can't get both KW and PS both wrong, and in sync with a typo.

Interesting if its true though. Because the 45ps version was already faster than the RC390. 49 is even better, but still not worth the price.

Originally Posted by MadRasTan4986

Is IKM even serious about making a mark in the Indian market.

Absolutely. They're going all guns blazing in many things and are the only premium motorcycling company that's seeing growth currently in India. Bajaj split was probably the best thing to happen because we saw so many product launches and unseen aggression from Kawasaki afterwards, instead of being made second to KTM. Only recent launched where they faltered is the Z900RS, with Ninja 650, Z900, Ninja 1000, Vulcan S all selling well. Most dealerships have really pulled up their socks and the coverage is also second only to Harley, with only just more than a year post the split.

However, are they serious about making a mark in the sub 650 segment? Absolutely no. . Ninja 300 dragged on without ABS, pricing of Versys X300 and now the Ninja 400 all show that they just dont want to compete in this space - for whatever reasons known to them and only them.

[AtheK]

It can be true because Kawa kept the power down due to driving license level regulations in other countries, no such regulation in India. I might be wrong though.

[PrasannaDhana]

Ok we are talking about intensity of Kawasaki India's focus on 300-400 cc segment. I am sure they know that market share is already gone into strong hands of KTM and TVS. Atleast before R3, they had "only japanese twin" trumpcard. Now they have lost that too. I think they just want the Ninja 400 to be a poster boy to push potential buyers towards Z650 and N650.

[timuseravan]

A lot of people have held off buying N300 in expectation of N400. I am sure this is a ploy from Kawa to get rid of N300 stock. And once that is done, they will reduce the N400 price.
Atleast this is the only way the pricing makes sense to me.

[Cyborg]

IKM has lost it again! First the Z900RS and now this, both desirable bikes ruined by their pricing. Real disappointment.

The R3 has been launched and is already in showrooms for INR 4.08 lacs on road Bombay. Saw it at Kamala Yamaha at Lower Parel a couple of days ago. There were two bikes in the showroom which were awaiting delivery.

Cheers

[bigron]

Unfortunate that a great starter bike with enough power to have a lot of fun along with the visual appeal of its bigger brothers has priced itself out of the segment it is meant to play in.

[balenopower]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Has to be a mistake, but cant be a typo. They can't get both KW and PS both wrong, and in sync with a typo.

Interesting if its true though. Because the 45ps version was already faster than the RC390. 49 is even better, but still not worth the price.

It is 49bhp in India..restricted in Europe to 45 bhp because of the A2 license.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by balenopower

It is 49bhp in India..restricted in Europe to 45 bhp because of the A2 license.

Finally something that can beat the RC390 in performance and yet be Japanese reliable to own. The 45ps version was already faster and this could only increase the gap.

5.5ps more than the RC390. 2 Nm of added torque and a weight differential of just 3kgs, inspite of the Ninja being a twin.

But then, overpowering all these figure is another one. The price tag.

[PrasannaDhana]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

The price tag.

= 2 x RC390 + a decent helmet

5.5 lakhs is 70 bhp kinda money to be honest. Heck people buy liter class bikes from used markets for the same cost.

[balenopower]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Finally something that can beat the RC390 in performance and yet be Japanese reliable to own. The 45ps version was already faster and this could only increase the gap.

5.5ps more than the RC390. 2 Nm of added torque and a weight differential of just 3kgs, inspite of the Ninja being a twin.

But then, overpowering all these figure is another one. The price tag.

Totally, i own an RC390 and i know for a fact that the 400 will be better on every front. Yes the RC might just be a tad bit sharper on the track, but the 400 will be faster, more comfortable and more reliable.

What most people here are forgetting besides the stupid price tag, are the service costs. I owned a Ninja 250 before the RC and i would dread thinking about having a fall because prices of the spare parts were ridiculously high, and that's where KTM stands out. Even if its less reliable parts are dirt cheap and easily replaceable.

[Nilesh5417]

KTM vs. Kawasaki -- seems like a case of buying an Elantra vs. a BMW. You can get the same specs but the product differs when you look at more than just a spec sheet. I know its a far fetched analogy but somehow thats what it seems like. At least in the minds of Kawasaki.

[IshaanIan]

Originally Posted by balenopower

It is 49bhp in India..restricted in Europe to 45 bhp because of the A2 license.

That is in Europe sure but why is it also restricted to 45 in the US as well?

[PrasannaDhana]

Originally Posted by Nilesh5417

KTM vs. Kawasaki -- seems like a case of buying an Elantra vs. a BMW. .

Sorry mate, that is a stupid analogy. I am sure a BMW will always have better hardware than a same spec Hyundai. And Kawasaki 400 isn't really feature rich in comparison.