In a first, TVS plans to offer ABS in 2-wheelers

akshay4587 · 16th December 2008, 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe M

Has anyone used the ABS marketed by SafeRide? Saferide ABS. It can be fitted on any bike with hydraulic disk brake, and can be installed easily. I was planning to fit one, but haven't read any user review anywhere. It costs only Rs 1500/-, and if it works, I think it's a good bargain.
Does anyone have info about it?

It does work to some extent.
Bike India people had tested it some time back
Its available at KRP Delhi for around 700 bucks.

Sankar · 16th December 2008, 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by akshay4587

It does work to some extent.
Bike India people had tested it some time back
Its available at KRP Delhi for around 700 bucks.

How does it work? What's the basic principle behind it's working? Anyone know, i would like to know.

akshay4587 · 16th December 2008, 08:53

KRP introduces a low-cost Anti-Lock Braking System imported from China Powerful front discs on powerful bikes are always a tricky affair to handle. While proficient riders modulate the hydraulic pressure effectively to handle emergencies, without locking the brakes, the case is not the same with their inexperienced counterparts. Squeezing the front brake lever is usually a common reaction by the not-so-honed rider in case of a predicament. The brake pads cling on to the discs, full force, locking the system, the front tyre slides, loses grip, the rider loses control, lands into a mess, and usually doesn’t come out of it without an injury.

Anti-lock-braking systems prevent the brakes from locking up, providing the rider more control in case of an emergency. The system allows the wheel to turn even when the brakes are slammed completely, lending the bike manoeuvrability even in panic situations. However, being very expensive and complicated, it’s not a viable option to install a proper ABS on bikes. Especially in a market like India where the economies of cost are the primary drivers for sales and even disc brakes are considered a luxury, it’s a very far fetched dream to think of installing such a system for the sake of biker safety.

So when we were offered a small one-piece kit, with ‘Motorcycle Hydraulic Anti-Lock Brake System’ neatly written over it for testing, we were more than amazed. The surprisingly small unit from Zhaoxiang Automobile & Motorcyclefittings Company of China costing a mere Rs 660 appeared nothing less than a miracle to us. Excited about the promise that the product held, we wasted no time and went straight ahead to test it on an Indian bike. We fitted it on a Hero Honda Karizma to find out the difference in brake feel, braking distance and time that the unit offered.
The gadget is quite simple in its operation and prevents the wheel from locking up by modulating the oil pressure on the calipers when the front brake lever is squeezed. Beyond a certain pressure point, it releases the pressure on the calipers, reducing the pads’ grip on the disc in turn, and thus allowing the wheel to turn. What remained to be seen, however, was how effective the system was in real life situations.
Fitting the system on a bike is no big task: you just have to remove the brake hose from the caliper unit and connect it to the ABS unit, while joining the other end of the system to the caliper unit. The unit that we got for test, however, was compatible only with ‘Nissin’ brakes. The oil seal for the fitment started dripping the moment we fit it, and had to be replaced to make sure that the oil didn’t leak. Even an additional washer was required, which was not provided with the unit.

Off we went, slamming only the front brakes for a number of runs, both, with and without the system. The unit worked wonderfully well for its size, mechanism and price. Okay, the brakes did lock up with the lever squeezed in the fist, but it surely prolonged the locking up state to a fairly distant point, as compared to what we could achieve on runs without the system installed. The effective braking time and distance too reduced, and that was a really pleasant surprise. The system does work, no doubt. In its own, limited way, if not like a full-fledged, electronically controlled ABS with all the techno-gimmickry of the world and an obscene sticker price, this little gadget makes a lot of sense. Bottom line, the inexpensive, compact unit, does justify being called an Anti-Lock Braking System and does prevent the wheels from locking up, up to a fairly reasonable extent

Source-Bike India/xBhp

Joe M · 16th December 2008, 10:17

@akshay4587 Thanks a lot for the details

When I contacted the SafeRide people, they said that they have done some in-house testing, and ARAI testing is in process, and they'll be getting it certified soon.

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The unit that we got for test, however, was compatible only with ‘Nissin’ brakes.

Is the ABS system sold by KRP available for Unicorn? [ Unicorn has KBX brakes].
Which one could be better, the KRP or SafeRide?[I don't mind the price difference] The SafeRide system seems to be fully developed and manufactured in Mumbai, by EATA group.

akshay4587 · 16th December 2008, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe M

@akshay4587 Thanks a lot for the details

When I contacted the SafeRide people, they said that they have done some in-house testing, and ARAI testing is in process, and they'll be getting it certified soon.

Is the ABS system sold by KRP available for Unicorn? [ Unicorn has KBX brakes].
Which one could be better, the KRP or SafeRide?[I don't mind the price difference] The SafeRide system seems to be fully developed and manufactured in Mumbai, by EATA group.

You can contact them on Kaulson@vsnl.com
for info regarding Unicorn.

hillram · 16th December 2008, 11:25

This is amazing to me..ABS for Bikes...can these be fitted to ay bike?
What about for legendary Power horses like RD 350 and Enfield Lightning.

Joe M · 16th December 2008, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillram

This is amazing to me..ABS for Bikes...can these be fitted to ay bike?
What about for legendary Power horses like RD 350 and Enfield Lightning.

They say it can be fitted to any bike with hydraulic disk brake. It is a very small & simple equipment. They have given a video demo also, on how to fit the thing. [ it is available in www.saferideabs.com]
I too find it a very amazing thing, at such a cost

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ramki067 · 18th December 2008, 11:21

Wenzhou Zhaoxiang Automobile &Amp; Motorcyclefittings Co.,Ltd.

Is this the original company? The products contain ABS...

Ramki.

ramki067 · 18th December 2008, 13:46

This is what KRP had to say about ABS, please see the attached file. Is it trustable to transfer amount to any account like they said in the mail?

Ramki.

knp · 27th January 2009, 14:09

krp website is updated now and they have provided their account details in their website. I guess it should be fine to transfer.

Basic · 30th June 2009, 01:59

This ABS device seems like a really good thing. and its cheap too.
Does any know how it works ? Pressure valve ?
Also has any one else fitted it. Would be nice to have some more reviews of it.

fireblade007 · 2nd August 2009, 19:25

Can this be fitted on to the rear disc breaks of apache rtr 160/190 or the pulsar 220? In my opinion the rear wheels has more chance of skidding by getting the wheels locked.

mithun · 2nd August 2009, 22:36

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Originally Posted by fireblade007

Can this be fitted on to the rear disc breaks of apache rtr 160/190 or the pulsar 220? In my opinion the rear wheels has more chance of skidding by getting the wheels locked.

Might be possible since there is not any tech difference between front & rear discs.

shishir_bn · 8th February 2010, 15:38

MODS,if this thread already exists then please merge accordingly
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Source : TVS RTR 180 Concept Bikes With ABS

Fuel Injection, Delta Frames, Disc Brakes, Digital gizmos are the desires that every young man wants to be an integral part of his life. So far no Indian company has evolved with their bikes, but TVS seems to be taking much interest in different technological stuff and even Bajaj is there with TVS. TVS already has one of the finest motorcycles in India in the form of TVS Apache RTR 180 which is not only one of the fastest in production but also upholds the tag of being the best stopper among all the machines produced in its segment in India.

In a first, TVS plans to offer ABS in 2-wheelers-img_2813400x300.jpg

And apart from the gorgeous features that this bike offers TVS has taken up the concept of installing this bike with an ABS pretty seriously. The new Apache RTR180 with ABS was showcased in the 2010 Auto Expo. With a majority of Indian consumers still sticking with the conventional 100cc economical bikes TVS would take some time firming their feet in the auto sector with this new marvel.

ABS: The bike loaded with ABS consists of a sophisticated Hydraulic Electronic Control Unit (HECU) and speed sensors which continuously keep a track of the speed of the wheel. As soon as it senses a possibility of a wheel lock, the control unit alters the hydraulic pressure in the braking system which doesn’t allow the wheel to lock up and hence, the rider doesn’t lose control of the bike.

RLP: In addition to the standard ABS functionality, TVS also has couples it with RLP which stands for Rear Wheel lift-off Protection. As the name is suggesting this system doesn’t let the rear wheel getting lifted in air in case of an emergency braking. As soon as the unit senses the rear wheel lifting off the turf, the front brake pressure is released for an instant which ensures that the bike is safely grounded at all times.
Technical Specifications Of Apache RTR 180 With ABS
Function: ABS + RLP
Hydraulic: 4 Valves, pump &LPA
Electronics: 12 Volts
ECU: Integrated
Valves: Digital Control
Communication: K-Lin

TVS Apache 180 RTR Dimensions
Height: 100mm
Length: 2085mm
Width: 730mm
Ground clearance: 180mm
Kerb weight: 137kg
Fuel tank capacity: 16 liters
TVS Apache 180 RTR Engine
Engine capacity: 177.4cc
Engine type: single cylinder, air cooled 4st
Max Power: 17.3bhp @ 8500rpm
Max Torque: 1.58kgm @ 6500rpm
TVS Apache 180 RTR Gear box
5 speed
constant mesh
TVS Apache 180 RTR Fuel system
Fuel: Petrol
Type: carbureted
TVS Apache 180 RTR Suspension
Front suspension: Telescopic hydraulic fork
Rear suspension: gas shocks
TVS Apache 180 RTR Tyre
Front tyre: 90/90 x17
Rear tyre: 110/80 x 17

bivin · 8th February 2010, 20:49

now that is a really neat feature!! could be very useful on highways when the dogs go jaywalking!!
nice one TVS!! please price it right though...

16th December 2008, 08:53	#33
akshay4587 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chandigarh/Mohali/Ambala Cantt Posts: 4,157 Thanked: 4,722 Times View My Garage	KRP introduces a low-cost Anti-Lock Braking System imported from China Powerful front discs on powerful bikes are always a tricky affair to handle. While proficient riders modulate the hydraulic pressure effectively to handle emergencies, without locking the brakes, the case is not the same with their inexperienced counterparts. Squeezing the front brake lever is usually a common reaction by the not-so-honed rider in case of a predicament. The brake pads cling on to the discs, full force, locking the system, the front tyre slides, loses grip, the rider loses control, lands into a mess, and usually doesn’t come out of it without an injury. Anti-lock-braking systems prevent the brakes from locking up, providing the rider more control in case of an emergency. The system allows the wheel to turn even when the brakes are slammed completely, lending the bike manoeuvrability even in panic situations. However, being very expensive and complicated, it’s not a viable option to install a proper ABS on bikes. Especially in a market like India where the economies of cost are the primary drivers for sales and even disc brakes are considered a luxury, it’s a very far fetched dream to think of installing such a system for the sake of biker safety. So when we were offered a small one-piece kit, with ‘Motorcycle Hydraulic Anti-Lock Brake System’ neatly written over it for testing, we were more than amazed. The surprisingly small unit from Zhaoxiang Automobile & Motorcyclefittings Company of China costing a mere Rs 660 appeared nothing less than a miracle to us. Excited about the promise that the product held, we wasted no time and went straight ahead to test it on an Indian bike. We fitted it on a Hero Honda Karizma to find out the difference in brake feel, braking distance and time that the unit offered. The gadget is quite simple in its operation and prevents the wheel from locking up by modulating the oil pressure on the calipers when the front brake lever is squeezed. Beyond a certain pressure point, it releases the pressure on the calipers, reducing the pads’ grip on the disc in turn, and thus allowing the wheel to turn. What remained to be seen, however, was how effective the system was in real life situations. Fitting the system on a bike is no big task: you just have to remove the brake hose from the caliper unit and connect it to the ABS unit, while joining the other end of the system to the caliper unit. The unit that we got for test, however, was compatible only with ‘Nissin’ brakes. The oil seal for the fitment started dripping the moment we fit it, and had to be replaced to make sure that the oil didn’t leak. Even an additional washer was required, which was not provided with the unit. Off we went, slamming only the front brakes for a number of runs, both, with and without the system. The unit worked wonderfully well for its size, mechanism and price. Okay, the brakes did lock up with the lever squeezed in the fist, but it surely prolonged the locking up state to a fairly distant point, as compared to what we could achieve on runs without the system installed. The effective braking time and distance too reduced, and that was a really pleasant surprise. The system does work, no doubt. In its own, limited way, if not like a full-fledged, electronically controlled ABS with all the techno-gimmickry of the world and an obscene sticker price, this little gadget makes a lot of sense. Bottom line, the inexpensive, compact unit, does justify being called an Anti-Lock Braking System and does prevent the wheels from locking up, up to a fairly reasonable extent Source-Bike India/xBhp Attached Thumbnails Last edited by akshay4587 : 16th December 2008 at 08:56.
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16th December 2008, 11:25	#36
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,941 Thanked: 1,329 Times View My Garage	This is amazing to me..ABS for Bikes...can these be fitted to ay bike? What about for legendary Power horses like RD 350 and Enfield Lightning.
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18th December 2008, 11:21	#38
ramki067 BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 616 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	Wenzhou Zhaoxiang Automobile &Amp; Motorcyclefittings Co.,Ltd. Is this the original company? The products contain ABS... Ramki. Last edited by ramki067 : 18th December 2008 at 11:22.
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knp BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 243 Thanked: 44 Times	krp website is updated now and they have provided their account details in their website. I guess it should be fine to transfer.
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30th June 2009, 01:59	#41
Basic Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 4 Thanked: 0 Times	This ABS device seems like a really good thing. and its cheap too. Does any know how it works ? Pressure valve ? Also has any one else fitted it. Would be nice to have some more reviews of it.
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2nd August 2009, 19:25	#42
fireblade007 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thrissur Posts: 168 Thanked: 105 Times	Can this be fitted on to the rear disc breaks of apache rtr 160/190 or the pulsar 220? In my opinion the rear wheels has more chance of skidding by getting the wheels locked.
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8th February 2010, 15:38	#44
shishir_bn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,196 Thanked: 123 Times	TVS RTR 180 Concept Bikes With ABS MODS,if this thread already exists then please merge accordingly __________________________________________________ _________ Source : TVS RTR 180 Concept Bikes With ABS Fuel Injection, Delta Frames, Disc Brakes, Digital gizmos are the desires that every young man wants to be an integral part of his life. So far no Indian company has evolved with their bikes, but TVS seems to be taking much interest in different technological stuff and even Bajaj is there with TVS. TVS already has one of the finest motorcycles in India in the form of TVS Apache RTR 180 which is not only one of the fastest in production but also upholds the tag of being the best stopper among all the machines produced in its segment in India. And apart from the gorgeous features that this bike offers TVS has taken up the concept of installing this bike with an ABS pretty seriously. The new Apache RTR180 with ABS was showcased in the 2010 Auto Expo. With a majority of Indian consumers still sticking with the conventional 100cc economical bikes TVS would take some time firming their feet in the auto sector with this new marvel. ABS: The bike loaded with ABS consists of a sophisticated Hydraulic Electronic Control Unit (HECU) and speed sensors which continuously keep a track of the speed of the wheel. As soon as it senses a possibility of a wheel lock, the control unit alters the hydraulic pressure in the braking system which doesn’t allow the wheel to lock up and hence, the rider doesn’t lose control of the bike. RLP: In addition to the standard ABS functionality, TVS also has couples it with RLP which stands for Rear Wheel lift-off Protection. As the name is suggesting this system doesn’t let the rear wheel getting lifted in air in case of an emergency braking. As soon as the unit senses the rear wheel lifting off the turf, the front brake pressure is released for an instant which ensures that the bike is safely grounded at all times. Technical Specifications Of Apache RTR 180 With ABS Function: ABS + RLP Hydraulic: 4 Valves, pump &LPA Electronics: 12 Volts ECU: Integrated Valves: Digital Control Communication: K-Lin TVS Apache 180 RTR Dimensions Height: 100mm Length: 2085mm Width: 730mm Ground clearance: 180mm Kerb weight: 137kg Fuel tank capacity: 16 liters TVS Apache 180 RTR Engine Engine capacity: 177.4cc Engine type: single cylinder, air cooled 4st Max Power: 17.3bhp @ 8500rpm Max Torque: 1.58kgm @ 6500rpm TVS Apache 180 RTR Gear box 5 speed constant mesh TVS Apache 180 RTR Fuel system Fuel: Petrol Type: carbureted TVS Apache 180 RTR Suspension Front suspension: Telescopic hydraulic fork Rear suspension: gas shocks TVS Apache 180 RTR Tyre Front tyre: 90/90 x17 Rear tyre: 110/80 x 17 Last edited by shishir_bn : 8th February 2010 at 15:47.
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8th February 2010, 20:49	#45
bivin BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: India Posts: 982 Thanked: 232 Times	now that is a really neat feature!! could be very useful on highways when the dogs go jaywalking!! nice one TVS!! please price it right though...
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