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Originally Posted by saubi2299
(Post 5678892)
Temporary.... police check posts crossed since then. |
Just because a law is not enforced does not mean it is not there. Further, not only have you broken the law, you are boasting about it on a public forum.
Let me quote section 43 of the Motor Vehicles Act for your education:
"43. Temporary registration.-- Notwithstanding anything contained in section 40, the owner of a motor vehicle may apply to any registering authority or other authority as may be prescribed by the State Government to have the motor vehicle temporarily registered and such authority shall issue a temporary certificate of registration and temporary registration mark in accordance with such rules as may be made by the Central Government:
Provided that the State Government may register a motor vehicle that plies, temporarily, within the State and issue a certificate of registration and registration mark for a period of one month in such manner as may be prescribed by the State Government."
The above section, however, is not the only one you have violated, as you were not in possession of a temporary registration number, but a" Trade Certificate" denoted by a TC number, which is issued under Rule 34 of the CMVR, and, as specified in Rules 40 and 41, cannot be used by anyone except the one in whose name it has been issued, including employees and agents, and, please read it carefully, cannot be used in a public place.
Let me reproduce Rule 41 for your education:
"41. Purposes for which motor vehicle with trade certificate may be used.— The
holder of a trade certificate shall not use any vehicle in a public place under that
certificate for any purpose other than the following:—
(a) for test, by or on behalf of the holder of a trade certificate during the course
of, or after completion of, construction or repair; or
(b) for proceeding to or returning from a weigh bridge for or after weighment, or
to and from any place for its registration; or
(c) for a reasonable trial or demonstration by or for the benefit of a prospective
purchaser and for proceeding to or returning from the place where such person
intends to keep it; or
(d) for proceeding to or returning from the premises of the dealer or of the
purchaser or of any other dealer for the purpose of delivery; or
(e) for proceeding to or returning from a workshop with the objective of fitting a
body to the vehicle or painting or for repairs; or
if) for proceeding to and returning from airport, railway station, wharf for or after
being transported; or
(g) for proceeding to or returning from an exhibition of motor vehicles or any
place at which the vehicle is to be or has been offered for sale; or
(h) for removing the vehicle after it has been taken possession of by or on behalf
of the financier due to any default on the part of the other party under the
provisions of an agreement of hire-purchase, lease or hypothecation."
Once again, please stop breaking the law and then display pride about your ignorance.
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Originally Posted by saubi2299
(Post 5678892)
Temporary registration is valid for 6 months and as far as I know, there is no restriction on usage of vehicle during this period. Vehicle has to be permanently registered within this period.
I got my car from Chandigarh in September with a temporary registration and permanent registration was applied for after 2 weeks, which took another 2-3 days. After delivery, I drove my car with TC plate to Gurgaon and frequently go to Delhi. As I couldn’t travel to Chandigarh after that, haven’t been able to get the number plates fixed and still have Temporary number plate. With temporary number plate, I have travelled frequently within Haryana, and have done a 2500 km road trip till Jaisalmer and border.
If there was any restriction on driving with temporary plates, I am sure I would have been asked to stop at one of the multiple police check posts crossed since then. |
I received conflicting information from the respective RTOs of Kerala and Tamil Nadu. My car is currently registered with a temporary number in Kerala, and I had initially inquired with the Kerala RTO, which assured me that it's permissible to cross state borders with a temporary registration.
However, upon directly contacting the Tamil Nadu RTO, I was informed that such an act is deemed illegal, and penalties may be imposed if caught on their roads. Despite multiple attempts to seek clarification via emails to both RTOs, I did not receive any responses. Consequently, I submitted a Right to Information (RTI) request to the Central Ministry of Road Transport and Highways. The response I received indicated that such matters are under the jurisdiction of individual states.
Given the lack of consensus and to avoid potential legal issues, I have decided to proceed with obtaining a permanent registration before crossing the state border.
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Originally Posted by teknophobia
(Post 5679905)
Just because a law is not enforced does not mean it is not there. Further, not only have you broken the law, you are boasting about it on a public forum.
Once again, please stop breaking the law and then display pride about your ignorance. |
Ouch...that was unnecessarily harsh in my view. I dont think OP was "boasting" about violating any of the laws, he infact isnt even aware of the existence of such laws in the first place, let alone breaking them.
Like majority of common folk, OP would have expected the law to make its presence felt at some point during his travels, which never happened, giving credence to his belief that TC is valid for 6 months. I don't think there was an intention to deliberately break the law here.
Thanks for the description of the laws:thumbs up, but could have toned down on the condescension. Nothing personal, but forums such as these are a great educational platform too as long as the discourse is civil.
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Originally Posted by sibaprasadbeher
(Post 5679205)
Recently, I test-drove the Elevate ZX CVT, contemplating an upgrade from my 2017 Honda Jazz.
Initially, the compact interior raised some concerns, but my apprehension faded away as soon as I hit the road. The car's exceptional handling, especially considering its 220mm ground clearance, left a lasting impression. It effortlessly navigated city streets and, when I ventured onto the highway, the engine's power was evident as it swiftly reached 140KPH. I'm seriously considering booking it soon, given its impressive performance during the test drive.
Having explored other contenders in the segment, the Taigun DSG caught my attention with commendable driving dynamics. However, the cramped rear bench left me wanting more space.
The Hyundai Creta and Seltos showcased appealing interiors, but their driving dynamics fell short of my expectations.
After this thorough exploration, the Elevate stands out as a strong contender for my next car. |
Even I am a 2016 Jazz i-vtec MT owner. Is the driving difference so stark between 1.2 i-vtec vs 1.5 i-vtec? 0-100 time would definitely be fast in 1.5 i-vtec but is in-gear acceleration vastly superior as well? Would like to hear more about this from you if you are engaging in multiple test drives again.
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Originally Posted by sibaprasadbeher
(Post 5679205)
However, I'm open to suggestions if someone recommends an alternative. My criteria include a 5-seater with a budget of around 20 lakhs on-road. |
Upgrade from Jazz to Elevate won't feel substantial in my opinion. You should also try Scorpio-N Z4/Z6/Z8 or XUV7OO AX5/AX7. Both are available in Petrol avatar and can be used as proper 5 seater rather than 4 and 1/2 seater. These cars would definitely feel like big step up from your current ride and you won't feel urge to upgrade in next 5-7 years.
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Originally Posted by akhilshenay
(Post 5679969)
Given the lack of consensus and to avoid potential legal issues, I have decided to proceed with obtaining a permanent registration before crossing the state border. |
Sounds like a sensible thing to do...all the best.
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Originally Posted by varunswnt
(Post 5680003)
Even I am a 2016 Jazz i-vtec MT owner. Is the driving difference so stark between 1.2 i-vtec vs 1.5 i-vtec? 0-100 time would definitely be fast in 1.5 i-vtec but is in-gear acceleration vastly superior as well? Would like to hear more about this from you if you are engaging in multiple test drives again.
Upgrade from Jazz to Elevate won't feel substantial in my opinion. You should also try Scorpio-N Z4/Z6/Z8 or XUV7OO AX5/AX7. Both are available in Petrol avatar and can be used as proper 5 seater rather than 4 and 1/2 seater. These cars would definitely feel like big step up from your current ride and you won't feel urge to upgrade in next 5-7 years. |
For the first statement:
The disparities in performance between the two vehicles are notable, primarily due to the following factors:
Power Differential: The Jazz is 89 BHP, while the Elevate registers a higher 121 BHP.
Varied Gear Ratios: The Elevate exhibits distinct gear ratios, particularly in the lower gears, facilitating quicker acceleration from a standstill. However, this design choice may limit the vehicle's top speed, reportedly capped at 160 KPH. This shorter gearing, compared to the City, was palpable during my experience.
In essence, the in-gear acceleration of the Elevate surpasses that of the Jazz, delivering a more exhilarating performance. As I frequently redline my Jazz on open stretches, the Elevate's superior pull was distinctly noticeable when I red lined it.
Regarding the choice between the Elevate and alternatives like the Scorpio or XUV700, my decision leans towards the former for the following reasons:
Cost-Efficiency: The Elevate comes at a more affordable price point, with an on-road cost of 17.2 Lakhs (ZX), as opposed to the XUV700, which demands approximately 27 Lakhs for the AX7 (BH registrations). Considering both seat five individuals, the added cost of the XUV700 doesn't align with my preferences. I felt the Elevate to be a better VFM here and fuss free ownership.
Ownership Considerations: Reflecting on my experience with the Jazz, known for its low maintenance, I'm inclined towards the Elevate for its fuss-free ownership. The potential savings of 9-10 Lakhs, coupled with my history of only two punctures in 70K kms of Jazz driving, reinforces this choice.
Service Reliability: Acknowledging the variable nature of Mahindra After-Sales Service, I weigh the Elevate's potential maintenance against the uncertainties associated with the XUV700.
The Scorpio, although appealing in design, is a non-starter due to its larger size, meeting resistance from my family who perceives it as a "boat." The ultimatum was clear – the Jazz stays or the Scorpio is a deal-breaker. With the Scorpio priced at 26 Lakhs OTR, it further solidified our commitment to a hassle-free ownership experience with the Elevate. While my hear still wants a scorpio, obviously if you have a KTM 390 ADV and RE Classic 500 you will love the scorpios capabilities but again Heart vs Family.
While acknowledging the possibility of considering another purchase in 5-7 years, the Elevate's exceptional value proposition, especially when compared to the Tiguan, makes it the standout choice for me. Despite external factors occasionally challenging our choices, the Elevate emerges as the compelling option, combining performance, cost-effectiveness, and a history of trouble-free ownership.
Have a small question to all BHPians.
Context: I found the NVH levels of Elevate to be a bit on the lower side, the moment the car crosses the 3500-4000 RPM mark, its quite audible and road noises creeping in as well.
Question: Will installing sound dampening materials, reduce this? While its not a deal breaker, but if there is choice to reduce it, that would be great.
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Originally Posted by akannath
(Post 5679974)
Ouch...that was unnecessarily harsh in my view.... platform too as long as the discourse is civil. |
I agree that my post was quite harsh, but you will agree that in this case it was completely warranted.
There are terms in my native language to describe him, but they are not really fit for use on a public forum lol: As you put it, civil discourse and what not.
Unfortunately, I come across way too many "drivers" on a daily basis who are completely ignorant of basic traffic laws and openly flout them, I guess I took out my frustration on him.
Anyway, ignorance of the law is no excuse, and, in this information age, there is no excuse for ignorance.
Looking for quick advice from the members here.
short background: married without kids living in bangalore. Expecting 50:50 usage on city & highway as both jobs are hybrid. Wife only wants a 5* rated car.
I am looking to buy my first car (have previously drove on dads car for over 3 years) and dealer has informed me Elevate ZX CVT is available to take. However, I am slightly concerned about the Noise levels and cost cutting mentioned in this forum.
Was ideally looking for a sub-4m car but didn't like any options except Brezza (booked ZXI+ AT but no delivery in sight for over 3 months).
Should I go ahead with the Elevate purchase or wait for facelifts of Xuv300 or bncap ratings for Sonet. No urgency in purchase, but rising prices for next year makes we want to close this quickly.
Hoping to get some feedback from owners who have already purchased the car.
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Originally Posted by teknophobia
(Post 5680195)
I agree that my post was quite harsh, but you will agree that in this case it was completely warranted.
There are terms in my native language to describe him, but they are not really fit for use on a public forum lol: As you put it, civil discourse and what not.
Unfortunately, I come across way too many "drivers" on a daily basis who are completely ignorant of basic traffic laws and openly flout them, I guess I took out my frustration on him.
Anyway, ignorance of the law is no excuse, and, in this information age, there is no excuse for ignorance. |
Well, one should keep their personal frustration to themselves. Better read the entire MV Act, where Section 46 states that the registration done as per the Chapter is valid across India. Thus, the provisions regarding restricting a temporary registration vehicle are not in B&W and thats y even authorities do not bother about this. In India, there are enough police and transport guys ready to stop vehicles even for small issues.
About the Trade Certificate issue, it was a mistake to mention TC. Mine was a temporary number plate and not TC.
Regarding the words in native language, I am sure everyone has such words. No need to boast about it.
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Originally Posted by varunswnt
(Post 5680003)
Upgrade from Jazz to Elevate won't feel substantial in my opinion. . |
You are right. I was an owner of 2015 Jazz 1.5 D and when the time came to replace, I tried Honda City Hybrid. Though I loved the car, I did not feel like sitting in a new car. All the touch points were similar to the Jazz and there was nothing new. The feel of driving in something was absent. Changed my mind and went with Seltos 1.5 D AT. When you are spending north of 15 Lakhs you need to have some differentiation from the older one you owned.
We recently test-drove the Honda Elevate and the Grand Vitara, specifically evaluating rear-seat comfort. Unfortunately, the Vitara proved uncomfortable for my wife, causing backaches. While the Elevate offered slightly better comfort, she mentioned needing to wear her neck collar. I also observed a bouncy ride, and at 78 years old, I find ingress and egress from low-sitting sedans challenging.
I'm in the process of replacing my 11-year-old Altis. My driving is minimal, mostly within the city of Mumbai, specifically in South Mumbai. Additionally, my 70-year-old wife has cervical issues, making her comfort during car rides crucial.
For occasional trips to Pune, we hire an Innova Crysta and haven't faced any comfort issues.
My primary question is whether all SUVs tend to be bouncy. I'm seeking suggestions for a car that suits our needs—mainly city driving with a focus on rear-seat comfort.
Your insights and recommendations would be highly appreciated.
Thank you.
(Hope I hae posted in the right thread)
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Originally Posted by bnkmp
(Post 5680205)
Wife only wants a 5* rated car. |
The Elevate hasn't undergone official crash testing by any rating bodies. Optimism exists among people due to its City platform foundation, with expectations that it would perform well in crash tests.
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Originally Posted by bnkmp
(Post 5680205)
However, I am slightly concerned about the Noise levels and cost cutting mentioned in this forum. |
NVH levels are not that bad. I have only encountered engine noise issue when you needs to accelerate rapidly. Thats a rare case if you are a sedate driver. Sharp overtakes also wont make much noise. Neither hill climbs.
The only cost cutting that bothers me is the cheap plastics used on the AC vents and the normal wind shield washer nozzle instead of a sprayer nozzle.
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Originally Posted by akhilshenay
(Post 5680469)
The only cost cutting that bothers me is the cheap plastics used on the AC vents and the normal wind shield washer nozzle instead of a sprayer nozzle. |
Ac ones I noticed, didnt notice the wind shield washer nozzle, can you help me understand this? Apologies if I sound dumb here :)
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