[Lobogris]

Originally Posted by IshaanIan

Why do we accept so many cases of brake failure in this country? Don't most vehicles have dual-circuit brakes?
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something is amiss and our government and the police needs to pull its socks up and stop accepting this excuse so easily

Law enforcement is very lax in India. Never mind brakes, so many vehicles openly run without tail lights on the highways, drive on the wrong side, make illegal turns and stops, are overloaded and violate all rules often right in front of the police and no action is taken against them. I am astounded that the police don't stop vehicles without tail lights and those driving on the wrong side as these are so easy to spot.

[ashbhat2]

Saw this video of a KaSRTC bus mowing down a two wheeler near Mysore. Overtaking gone horribly wrong.

Looks like a clear case of driver error. The driver was probably blinded by the goods truck from the opposite direction, after which he does a very sharp overtaking manoeuvre purely hoping on his luck that there is no oncoming traffic. The unfortunate bikers sadly paid the ultimate price. As per the news reports, the rider died on the spot and the pillion is critically injured.

Source - http://www.thenewsminute.com/article...r-mysuru-63670

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8PqqDh1WpI

[blackasta]

Originally Posted by Lobogris

I am astounded that the police don't stop vehicles without tail lights and those driving on the wrong side as these are so easy to spot.

They do stop them - then collect their bribe and let them go.

Now a days in Bengal, illegal trucks of building material 'syndicates' have devised a 'card system'.
They pay in advance to the local PS, have a 'card' (image of house / plane / gods / animals whatever) to distinguish the syndicate, and when police stops them, drivers flash the 'card' to indicate that they have already 'prepaid' the bribe.
No money exchanges hands in the open street.
Cops turn a blind eye to overloading / illegal hours / unfit body etc.

[Hickstead]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V67Fyk_FH8I

Fortuner and XUV 500 Crash:

A sudden tyre burst forced Fortuner to loose control and crash into XUV in the opposite lane. So Sad and Unfortunate !

Source: http://www.cartoq.com/fortuner-slams...eaving-3-dead/

[paragsachania]

Doesn't seem like a Tire Burst if one looks carefully exactly a second before the Fortuner changes lanes. The biker duo can be seen bending right/changing lane spotting another biker ahead. This is very evident in the below screengrab.



The Fortuner swerves to change lane super quickly but fails to get back in line. The report in the link also mentions one the occupant of XUV alleging that the Fortuner driver was in an ineberated condition.

Tire (as usual) would have burst after hitting the median which has been always the case in most accidents where vehicles veers off to the other side of the median but prima facie evidence after the accident always puts the blame on tire burst.

[The Rationalist]

Originally Posted by Hickstead

Fortuner and XUV 500 Crash:
A sudden tyre burst forced Fortuner to loose control and crash into XUV in the opposite lane.

That's no tyre burst, the Fortuner guy was speeding and overtaking from left and to avoid the slow moving vehicle he encounters,he tried a sudden steering maonuvre which leads him to lose control and jump the median. This guy should be put behind bars. Feeling sorry for the XUV guys who lost their lives.

[RWD]

Originally Posted by Hickstead

A sudden tyre burst forced Fortuner to loose control and crash into XUV in the opposite lane.

Unlikely that the cause of the accident was a tyre burst. Looks like a case of overtaking gone wrong. The Fortuner tries to overtake the bus from the left, even though there is no space in front, because of slower vehicles ahead in his lane, and desperately cuts back in front of the bus at the last minute. The front left of the bus looks to have clipped the rear right of the Fortuner, sending it fishtailing to the right. The tyre burst would be a by-product of jumping over the divider.
Very sad for the XUV occupants, who died for Fortuner driver's stupidity and negligence.

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by Hickstead

A sudden tyre burst forced Fortuner to loose control...

That was no tyre burst.

The Fortuner cut across the bus and its rear right quarter panel hit the bus' left corner, causing him to spin out and lose control.

[Trust_In_Thrust]

The fortuner driver got nervous as is seen by the time he was besides the bus in parallel. He could not decide whether to stop or move faster. Unfortunately for him due to no decision he ended in a tricky situation of whether to hit the bike or turn right and by turning right I guess he wasn't prepared with how the vehicle will behave and ended up going to the other side hitting the xuv. Also I believe since the speed doesn't look much greater than bus a experienced driver could have controlled the tight turn in a much better way ( might have fish tailed though).

[Gill]

Fortuner clipped the front LHS of the bus, thats what led to steer to RHS and jumping the median. Fortuner was overtaking from the LHS of the bus, he couldn't judge his move. XUV driver didn't even get time to react and apply brakes.

[wrongturn]

Originally Posted by Hickstead

Fortuner and XUV 500 Crash:

A sudden tyre burst forced Fortuner to loose control and crash into XUV in the opposite lane. So Sad and Unfortunate !

Source: http://www.cartoq.com/fortuner-slams...eaving-3-dead/

Bhpians are spot on, there was no tyre burst. Fortuner fishtailed after getting hit by the bus.
Unfortunately the person who paid the ultimate price was the person who did not make any mistake.
The scenario would have been, as it looks:
1. The bus driver is driving in the middle of the road, he must have been reluctant to give side to the fortuner as these illiterate imbecile scumbags generally do, he must have been trying to be 'playful'.
2. Fortuner guy who is now frustrated, tried to take the last lane as there was space available but couldn't move fast enough to avoid the bikers in front, misjudged it to an extent.
3. Bus driver was watching all this and did not slow down or breaked or move right even a little, even for a moment, as he was definitely enjoying this 'playful' moment of his.
4. Hits the fortuner who was trying to squeeze hard, but he must have never thought things will turn this ugly, as they drive night & day, have experience of a lifetime, are more skilled than a F1 driver, and off course are seated way above the danger level.

Only if bus driver would have breaked or slowed down or turned a little right, only if fortuner guy had breaked, only if there were no clash of egos, those lives in the XUV 500 would have been alive right now.

[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by wrongturn

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Only if bus driver would have breaked or slowed down or turned a little right, only if fortuner guy had breaked, only if there were no clash of egos, those lives in the XUV 500 would have been alive right now.

I'm far from being a fan of bus drivers and it's always nice if the vehicle being overtaken cooperates (irrespective of the size of the vehicle), but judging an overtaking maneuver (including knowing when to back out of one) is the overtaking vehicle's responsibility, and the Fortuner driver failed spectacularly at it.

People misjudge dynamics of huge vehicles, just look a few posts up for what happens when a bus swerves suddenly. If the bus driver here had swerved right to avoid the Fortuner, it could very well have been the bus ramming into the XUV.

[jbpanda]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

I'm far from being a fan of bus drivers and it's always nice if the vehicle being overtaken cooperates (irrespective of the size of the vehicle), but judging an overtaking maneuver (including knowing when to back out of one) is the overtaking vehicle's responsibility, and the Fortuner driver failed spectacularly at it.



People misjudge dynamics of huge vehicles, just look a few posts up for what happens when a bus swerves suddenly. If the bus driver here had swerved right to avoid the Fortuner, it could very well have been the bus ramming into the XUV.

Absolutely. Spot on. It's the judgment of the overtaking vehicle which is very important. But it's often the driver's ego more than the sensible judgment which result in most of such accidents. Irrespective of the power of the vehicle and confidence gained from experience as a driver, it's always better to take a conservative approach and play safe rather than trying to be enthusiastic. It's unfortunate but it's there in the typical frustrated Indian mindset of most of the drivers who carry personal baggage in mind which reflects in the driving as well.

[jaaz]

Swerving to the right by the Bus Driver, could lead to another major accident or it could be another disaster as mentioned by @Chetan_Rao. The best and only thing the Bus Driver could've done is to slow down or just lift his right leg, from the accelator for a moment.

There is no doubt, that the Fortuner Driver is at mistake. RIP to the deceased people in the XUV, for no mistake of theirs.

[A350XWB]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

I'm far from being a fan of bus drivers and it's always nice if the vehicle being overtaken cooperates (irrespective of the size of the vehicle), but judging an overtaking maneuver (including knowing when to back out of one) is the overtaking vehicle's responsibility, and the Fortuner driver failed spectacularly at it.

Couldn't have said it better. I drive on NICE road daily and most of the times, encounter trucks trying to get past each other, blocking both the lanes. But that doesn't give me the license to execute a dangerous overtaking maneuver, mowing down people in my path. Driving on Indian roads need a lot of patience and frustration is a strict no no, especially when it affects your ability to think.
Many people misjudge overtaking maneuvers and think that the driver of the vehicle being overtaken is thinking on similar lines like them. Big mistake. Never expect the other driver's thoughts to be aligned with yours. Execute the overtaking, only when you can and always be ready to back off, in case.
The Fortuner driver's actions, cannot be justified in any way.