Re: Global NCAP crash tests: Ford Figo Aspire scores 3 stars, Chevrolet Enjoy get... 1900 CR investment is significant and does imply seriouness on safety. From your own #s below, they are spending almost 42% of their net profit for the test facility. Non-seriousness about safety would not have resulted in such a huge amount of investment. Let us give it to them for making substantial investments in safety
On a secondary note, this is not the way balance sheets work. The 1900 CR will be depreciated over several years as it is an investment. So it is not like they moved money from the profits of the year. This is for your knowledge. The money would have been taken from the Free cash on the balance sheet and treated as a depreciating asset Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalvaz   Just because they claim to have spent Rs.1900 Crs. on a test facility means that they are genuinely serious about safety in India???
Firstly, lets put things in perspective here. Maruti Suzuki's 2016 annual income was over Rs.58000 Crs. Their net profit was over Rs.4500 Crs. |
Agree. I was disappointed as well. 3 stars is fine but the fact that the A-pillar caved in and the body structure was unstable was the key issue for me Quote:
Originally Posted by ACM With ford I would have expected a minimum of 4 stars. The body shell of the new generation figo twins does not seem to have been as well built as in the earlier generation. But that just may be a perception issue. |
Agree.
You are right that this is about their own facility certifying the standards. With the new platform, they are using the same metal sheet world-wide as in India cars and that is truly good development Quote:
Originally Posted by narayans80 The article doesn't mention NCAP at all. The crash testing the article mentions is done Maruti's own facility, which I'd take with a pinch of salt, given the company chairman made sensational statements like this not too long back.
The tests have to be performed by a 3rd party like NCAP or BNVSAP and results be made available publicly for potential customers to decide |
Yes, the new Figo's body structure not being stable is an eye-opener for many of us who blindly trust Ford/Fiat make cars
Toyota Etios got a stable 4 stars and that is a Japanese manufacturer. Not talking American vs. Korean vs. European vs. Japanese here. Just that we have to view objectively and not just by reputation Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Dogg72 I'm quite surprised at this result.
During the first batch of testing the old Figo and polo had A stable structure.
The new Figo is watered down.
And damn, the Toyota Etios got 4 stars even though most of us, including me mocked it for its tinny built.
This is just sad.
Figo with 6 airbags is also just a marketing ploy now.
Very unfortunate. |
Agree that govt regulation will make for safer cars. What better way than regulation to ensure safety - because unsafe cars cannot be sold!
However autorickshaws would not pass the safety standards at 56 km/hour in India. That example might have been inappropriate Quote:
Originally Posted by racer_ash That's the irony of the situation. Serious commitment to safety standards in India. As if they existed. I am sure the current band of autorickshaws too will pass the current safety standards in India. And to your point. If you see across the various crash test threads, all manufacturers, irrespective of their caste and creed are maligned/appreciated for their respective performances in safety tests.
Agree with you. As discussed umpteen times before, it needs government intervention to make manufacturers fall in line. It is business after all and they don't give a dime about safety standards where none exist. |
Agree. Govt regulation will lead the move to safer cars in India. Many models like Omni, Honda Mobilio, Chevrolet Enjoy could be discontinued in cases where the cost of making a safer car > continuing with the sales of the car.
Like I said it was not about Ford vs. Suzuki. I was saying that let us not keep Ford on a pedestal just because they are non Japan/non Korea brand. Ford and other manufacturers need to do a lot to make safer cars in India and just not rely on their reputation Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Why weren't they serious when Swift and Alto failed spectaculary?
Simple. It's becoming a rule soon, and they can't sell their cars without the safety aspect meeting the requirements. It is just good business sense to make the models compliant to the norms now. They still sell the Omni, for all their seriousness.
That said, they claim that their cars have been upgraded to meet the required norms coming as part of the Bharat New Vehicle Assessment program, but have they ever mentioned the build is same as international ones? That is just our assumption. And going by their past, such an assumption can't be made without even an iota of doubt.
I would wait and watch till these models for the Indian market are tested. | Quote:
Originally Posted by deerhunter The current proposal is to test cars at both 56kmph and 64kmph. 56kmph test is mandatory while the 64kmph test is voluntary. Only those cars that pass 64kmph test will be given 5 stars by Bharat NCAP. Even though SIAM is opposed to this, GoI is supporting the proposal.
This is a good proposal imo, as a starting point for future stringent tests. Anyway, the 64kmph Euro NCAP too is not mandatory. |
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