[nova.19_exe]

Originally Posted by Puh

If I may ask, any insights on why verna over city?


There are two reasons; first, I felt Verna and City are more value for money and fulfill my requirements.
Moreover, I do not live in a metro. Here, we have only one VW/Skoda dealer, and I have had bad reviews of them.

Honda's current position in the market right now is questionable, might be our next exit. It's just an opinion!

Moreover, you don't live in a metro, so I highly doubt any Honda dealer might be available to you, and even if there is, I genuinely doubt they care!

Hyundai is your best bet!

[Puh]

Originally Posted by OpenRoads

Marazzo! really?

The only reasonable 7 seater I could find which is good in space and comfort and decent build. But the long term reliability is a quesiton mark for me. Also comes with only 2 airbags and no ESP. But, I am kind of more pivoting towards the sedans,

Reliable, safe, Comfortable and spacious. Innova base variant would have been ideal but it would stretch your budget by 2.5 lakhs.

20L is already fully stretched for me. So, Innova is really out of question.

1. Interiors, look and feel, features of Verna are much more futuristic than city which is more classy or outdated to an extent. Also, both seats and boot are bigger in Verna.

I am going to do a back-to-back TD of Verna and City to get a better idea. Any idea about the long-term ownership of verna in terms of maintenance cost. I plan to keep the car for 10+ years. Verna does get a 7 year extended warranty but after that?

2. But City performance feels a tad better or sorted than Verna if you are driving the CVT. In case of manual it wouldn't matter much and will depend on how you drive it.

I am planning to go for the CVT.

Originally Posted by nova.19_exe

Moreover, you don't live in a metro, so I highly doubt any Honda dealer might be available to you, and even if there is, I genuinely doubt they care!

Until now, I have had a very good experience with the local honda dealer in terms of service. Yes, there are multiple hyundai dealers here when compared to only one honda dealer. I am just thinking about the maintenance cost of Verna over 10 years. Would it be similar to a Honda?

[G13BB]

Originally Posted by Puh

Until now, I have had a very good experience with the local honda dealer in terms of service. Yes, there are multiple hyundai dealers here when compared to only one honda dealer. I am just thinking about the maintenance cost of Verna over 10 years. Would it be similar to a Honda?

Maintaining a Honda is "easy" but not "cheap" by any means of imagination. The cost difference between maintaining a Honda City 1.5 CVT and a Hyundai Verna 1.5 CVT is negligible. (It would've been a different story if you were going for the 1.5 TGDi variant of Verna though)

Hence, the final deciding factor for you could be based on looks, interior comfort and the driving feel. Verna looks futuristic but can be polarising, whereas the City looks clean and classy but can be boring. Looks are subjective, and I suggest you take a good look at both before deciding. Verna has a much more modern interior with a lot more features, whereas the City is simple and ergonomically sorted. Coming to ADAS, the one on the Verna is more accurate as it is radar-based as compared to the City's camera-based unit.

As you mentioned, it is best to test drive both the cars back to back and decide. But if maintenance cost is a concern, the difference is going to be negligible and cannot really act as a deciding factor.

[OpenRoads]

Couldn't agree more with G13BB on the maintenance cost. If you like to keep your cars for long then Honda has a proven track record and will not disappoint you in the long run.
But at the end go for a car which would put a smile on your face every time your drive it as both are equally good.

Do yourself a favor and go ask for long test drives on similar route. drive it at different speeds and try to remember the handling, road bumps, acceleration etc. Your answer will be clear.

[Puh]

Originally Posted by G13BB

Maintaining a Honda is "easy" but not "cheap" by any means of imagination. The cost difference between maintaining a Honda City 1.5 CVT and a Hyundai Verna 1.5 CVT is negligible. (It would've been a different story if you were going for the 1.5 TGDi variant of Verna though)

Thank you for this insight. It makes my decision much clear now.

Originally Posted by G13BB

Coming to ADAS, the one on the Verna is more accurate as it is radar-based as compared to the City's camera-based unit.

Yes, I agree. However, I have 3 questions regarding this.
1. Does The ADAS in SX(O) IVT have radar, or is it only camera-based?
2. While the City does not have radar, how does it fare in the real world? I am going through City (and Verna) review threads to figure that out as TD does not help in this regard.
3. How much of a miss will be adaptive cruise control in verna. I will be having like 30-40% of highway usage?

Originally Posted by G13BB

As you mentioned, it is best to test drive both the cars back to back and decide.

Originally Posted by OpenRoads

Do yourself a favor and go ask for long test drives on similar route. drive it at different speeds and try to remember the handling, road bumps, acceleration etc. Your answer will be clear.

Thank you. I will be doing that soon.

[G13BB]

Originally Posted by Puh

1. Does The ADAS in SX(O) IVT have radar, or is it only camera-based?
2. While the City does not have radar, how does it fare in the real world? I am going through City (and Verna) review threads to figure that out as TD does not help in this regard.
3. How much of a miss will be adaptive cruise control in verna. I will be having like 30-40% of highway usage?

1. Yes, SX(O) IVT varient gets a radar based ADAS system
2. Honda sensing ADAS tech is a little sensitive when it comes to auto emergency braking, but apart from that there hasn't been any major complaints, so the difference is not going to be day and night. Personally I would not like to use ADAS in our country, so even if I buy a car with ADAS in future, I'll look for how easy it is to turn it off completely (if at all it is possible). So if you wish not to use ADAS, check if it is possible to turn it off, if yes, how easy it is in both the cars.
3. Since you drive only 30-40% on highways and even with a normal cruise control you can cancel and resume cruise using just buttons (since it's an automatic you don't even need to change gears if the speed changes drastically) it shouldn't be much of a concern. But having adaptive cruise control is definitely a boon!

[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by Puh

Thank you for this insight. It makes my decision much clear now.


Yes, I agree. However, I have 3 questions regarding this.
1. Does The ADAS in SX(O) IVT have radar, or is it only camera-based?
2. While the City does not have radar, how does it fare in the real world? I am going through City (and Verna) review threads to figure that out as TD does not help in this regard.
3. How much of a miss will be adaptive cruise control in verna. I will be having like 30-40% of highway usage?


Thank you. I will be doing that soon.

If I am not wrong, adaptive cruise control is available in the Verna turbo DCT. As a present owner, I would strongly suggest the DCT model over IVT. Having owned the City CVT earlier, I would say that the Verna is better in terms of high speed dynamics and the sheer difference of 160ps over 121ps makes it a better car for smooth highway cruising. Not to mention you also get phenomenal mileage (for a turbo petrol) of over 15-16 kmpl. The City is also good and has a legacy of ultra long term reliability, but can feel a bit boring to drive on a day to day basis because of the CVT and its inherent disadvantage in commanding a quick engine response. Its default tire width (185mm) makes it a bit skittish at high speeds. The Verna feels more reassuring in that regard, not to mention a bit beefier in terms of overall build.

[manojrajakrishn]

I have a 2022 S Cross Petrol which can seat 5 adults comfortably, when i test drive any car the first thing i look for is space for 5 adults.

Trust me, the below cars will not fit 5 adults comfortably

- Elevate
- Taigun
- Kushaq
- Grand vitara (To a certain extent cannot seat 5 adults)

In the budget range specified cars that can fit 5 adults are

- Scorpio N (Will have to go for the base or base+ model)
- Honda City

But when reliability and comfort are required, Honda City would be the right choice. Go for it!

[sam264_2000]

Originally Posted by rajesh1868

...My requirements:

1. Spacious and comfortable 5 seater.
2. The boot should be larger than what Zest has, which is 390L.
3. Safe car.
4. Budget: Max around 18L. Can stretch to 20 but only if it matters.
5. Automatic would be great but ready to take Manual if the budget doesn't agree.
6. I live in a Tier 3 town and the nearest service center (Bangalore) is about 80-100 km away. I want to restrict these visits only to the scheduled regular services. So a fuss-free ownership experience is very much a requirement.

My current shortlist:

1. Honda City ZX MT or VX CVT

I went through https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/what-...-sickness.html (Car for family prone to motion sickness) and https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/what-...ta-seltos.html (Upgrading from a Tata Zest - City or Creta or Seltos?) which seems to indicate City as a good option for rear passengers.

Honda Elevate
Seltos/Creta/Carens
Harrier
Slavia/Virtus
Verna

The thread you referred to above was started by me and I ended up buying the 5th Gen City ZX CVT. It's been 3 years/30,000kms now. I have driven almost all the cars in your list except the new Verna so let me give you my perspective on your shortlist. I am not going to comment on safety because you can't judge a car's safety solely on its safety rating. There are many other factors that count and the topmost for me being how safe you drive the car. (read defensive).

1. Honda Elevate - my uncle bought this last year. Found this spacious than Seltos, bigger boot than Seltos/Creta/Carens. Fantastic driving position. Comfortable for 4 adults + 1 toddler. Good ride quality. ICE has better screen resolution than City. No non sense car. Fill it, shut it, forget it. Should be the top choice in your budget. I go for the top variant so I would choose this (ZX CVT) over Seltos mid variant IVT and if you cannot stretch for Creta top variant IVT. I would have preferred a little more thigh support though. Misses out on ventilated seats. Left side blind spot monitoring camera makes up a bit for the lack of 360 camera.

2. Seltos/Creta/Carens - If you can extend your budget, my pick would the Creta top end IVT. Seltos is better looking but space management in Creta is better. Also, liked the ride quality of Creta over Seltos. Boot space in Creta is comparable to Zest if you do not remove the parcel tray. Excellent features in all 3. I do not recommend DCT if you would be primarily driving in stop/go traffic. DCT does not fall in your fuss-free ownership requirement.

3. Harrier - I love it for what it offers in higher variants. I would rather buy a top end variant of a car that I can afford rather than a mid variant of the nex segment.

4. Slavia/Virtus - I didn't have these options when I bought my City, else Virtus 1.5 DSG would have been a strong contender for me. I drove my cousin's Virtus 1.5 DSG and loved the ground clearance and the taut ride quality - reminded me of my Zest. The front seats have a sporty snug. Rear seats are a bit upright for my liking but nowhere compared to the City's rear seat experience.

Lastly, my experience with City CVT:

1. Comfortable ride and smooth CVT. Very easy to drive despite the length.
2. Excellent fuel efficiency. I drive 46km daily in Pune traffic and get 12-13kmpl in city and 17-19kmpl on highways.
3. Some folks experience bouncy rear over 120kmph. I don't drive at that speed and don't intend to just to check if its bouncy It's unsafe for Indian highway discipline. I am usually between 90 to 100 and have never heard any complaints from my rear seat passengers at that speed.
4. Rear seat is a sofa.
5. We are heavy packers. So big boot was one of my criteria and City has not disappointed. Few weeks back, I had 4 medium sized bags + 2 sacks + 2 duffle bags + 1 small bag for the 5 of us and the boot swallowed everything at ease.
6. ICE resolution could have been better, but I mostly use Apple CarPlay so it doesn't bother me.
7. Rear camera resolution is okayish - gets the job done.
8. Tyre size could have been a bit thicker.
9. Low ground clearance is a myth. Yes, you can't afford to be as careless as you could be with Zest but the car doesn't scrap even with full load of passengers and boot. But for sanity sake, I would have preferred Virtus like GC.
10. Audio speakers can be upgraded if you are an audiophile.
11. Pathetic paint quality compared to Zest. The car takes up scratches easily.
12. NVH is as per my expectation from a CVT/1.5 NA engine combo.
13. 3 medium sized adults can be accommodated at the rear.
14. Fill it, shut it, forget it. In my experience till now, its an easy on pocket to maintain, fuss free, spacious, comfortable and reliable car. At 16.85L on road for ZX CVT, it was a steal. Can't complain when I renewed my Honda Assure yesterday for 21K which includes 3rd party liability, zero dep, RTI and Engine Protect.

[sreerknair]

Originally Posted by sam264_2000

Can't complain when I renewed my Honda Assure yesterday for 21K which includes 3rd party liability, zero dep, RTI and Engine Protect.

Hi Sam, could you please let me know which insurer was given by Honda Assure and what was the IDV used ? I need to renew my insurance next week and I used Honda Assure till now. But the renewal quote they gave this time for 11L IDV with same add-ons as you mentioned is 40K !! I have no claims till now and this quote is with 35% ncb.

[sam264_2000]

Originally Posted by sreerknair

Hi Sam, could you please let me know which insurer was given by Honda Assure and what was the IDV used ?....

Royal Sundaram Insurance with an IDV of 9L and NCB of 20%.