Toyota Etios or Tata Manza?

MCR · 26th March 2011, 13:41

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Originally Posted by GTO

Are the Dzire & Manza in the league of the Innova & Corolla? I think not.

Did I say that?
Dzire has horrendous interiors. Manza has slightly better ones, atleast the dashboard. But the door pads in Manza are a big let down.
One point to remember here is that all these cars are built to a price. This is a segment exclusive for India, where owning a 3-box is considered prestigious as compared to a hatchback.

devarshi84 · 26th March 2011, 14:16

I will vote for Etios the day I can digest its looks. I can't stand the way that....THING... looks. Interiors included.

And yes, I repeat for the Nth time, Logan eats it for breakfast when it comes to interior ride comfort and engine reliability. I am comparing a diesel to a petrol but then they stack up neck to neck in real market conditions.

mdsaab · 26th March 2011, 15:21

Just wanted to point out that the etios is toyotas first attempt at a vehicle in this price range, so sure there are going to be a few hits and misses with the etios which will probably be ironed out in future variants. But toyota has researched the market needs in this segment very well and have done their best to provide something which will suit prospective buyers to the T. Pretty much like how ford has managed to do so with the figo. Really hitting the nail spot on. So my vote continues to stay with the etios

musicmanaman · 26th March 2011, 18:03

I went to the TATA showroom today, just to check out the deals going on the Nano, the car that impressed me the most amoung all cars there was the Manza, the space is simply fantastic the comfort is unparallel, I even found the over all seating more comfortable than the Aria. If I had to pick a car in that class, I would definetely go with the Diesel Manza.

alavandar · 27th March 2011, 05:46

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Originally Posted by mdsaab

Just wanted to point out that the etios is toyotas first attempt at a vehicle in this price range, so sure there are going to be a few hits and misses with the etios which will probably be ironed out in future variants. But toyota has researched the market needs in this segment very well and have done their best to provide something which will suit prospective buyers to the T. Pretty much like how ford has managed to do so with the figo. Really hitting the nail spot on. So my vote continues to stay with the etios

We are always liberal and broad minded when it comes to showering kudos on foreign badges. Why should we vote for Etios when Toyota/Etios is only on the learning curve where as Tata Manza has already achieved the luxury and quality match required for Indian roads and customers? What should we choose? A third rated product from a perceived top brand or a first rated product from a popular Indian brand?

mdsaab · 27th March 2011, 09:23

Well as i said before tata has done well to improve on the indica/vista/manza models. When launched first the indica was truly offered more car per car. And continues to do so offering class leading space in their respective classes.

But i am looking from a wider perspective. When i choose to buy a car i want the whole experience to be wow/fantastic/memorable.

I have had horrible experiences with tata dealerships just on the sales front. Have stood around like a monkey waiting for someone to help me. Then after getting attended to, the attitude as well as lack of connect with the customer really left a bad tastr in my mouth. Even after all this you will be shocked to know i did not even step into forget test drive the vehicle intended. Did they give me a call later to find out if i liked the car. NO they didnt bother to nor did they care. So i thought to myself hey, if the sales experience is going to be pathetic im sure the after sales is going to be a nightmare. Others may have different experiences and ofcourse good ones too. But i have had two dealership level distasteful experiences which has kept me away from tata cars.

Please note that in no way am i saying tata does not make great vehicles. Or that sales or service will always be bad from tata. These views are due to my personal experiences.

I did go to check out the etios at the showroom and my experience with toyota has always been good. On one occasion when the sales staff were busy attending other customers. The manger himself came to show and explain the features of the intended vehicles.

Also some might feel that comparing toyota with tata might be a little unfair when we compare the volumes. But hey, i have had only good experiences with maruti as well as hyundai too. Both are volume players too.

gshanky · 27th March 2011, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdsaab

Just wanted to point out that the etios is toyotas first attempt at a vehicle in this price range, so sure there are going to be a few hits and misses with the etios which will probably be ironed out in future variants. But toyota has researched the market needs in this segment very well and have done their best to provide something which will suit prospective buyers to the T. Pretty much like how ford has managed to do so with the figo. Really hitting the nail spot on. So my vote continues to stay with the etios

Etios / Liva is no where close to Figo as a well rounded product. IMO where Ford has succeeded, Toyota has failed. While Suzuki (may be not so much) and Tata are able to make well rounded products in the same price point, Toyota just wants to ride on the brand and fundamentals alone. Thats why Figo is a better effort from Ford whereas Toyota comes short in the effort front.

teamveevee · 28th March 2011, 10:13

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Originally Posted by gshanky

Toyota just wants to ride on the brand and fundamentals alone

As long as, there are many people who are willing to buy just because of the brand rather than merit, as long as we have journalists who ignore the deficiencies just because it is of a specific brand, Toyota will continue to do this. As long as there is such demand, any manufacturer will try to increase the profitability. I think Toyota understood the Indian mentality very well taking advantage of it. Only we should be blamed for this.

mdsaab · 28th March 2011, 11:27

Ok first need to confirm is the etios/liva platform new for india?
Because if i am not mistaken the figo is built on an existing platform available to ford in india.
So i think ford has managed to offer much more in terms of features etc as the platform costs were lower.
This is how i feel about it. Anyways we know the japs always like to charge us more. But still toyota has not gone the honda way.
Also i think they have given us good products like the innova, just look at the build quality. And some of the components are over engineered for india. So to bring costs down toyota has refrained from using over engineered components in the etios and stuck to india specific requirements.
Bottomline ~ if i were buying, i would stick to etios. Why?
These are purely my views
better sales experience
better after sales experience
better reliability (now this is going by toyota previous standards, ofcourse the etios will have to prove itself)
also to add that maintaining toyota cars are very pocket friendly.
Everyone will have their own opinion. This is mine.
Cheers
drive safe!

gshanky · 29th March 2011, 03:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdsaab

Ok first need to confirm is the etios/liva platform new for india?
Because if i am not mistaken the figo is built on an existing platform available to ford in india.
So i think ford has managed to offer much more in terms of features etc as the platform costs were lower.
This is how i feel about it. Anyways we know the japs always like to charge us more. But still toyota has not gone the honda way.
Also i think they have given us good products like the innova, just look at the build quality. And some of the components are over engineered for india. So to bring costs down toyota has refrained from using over engineered components in the etios and stuck to india specific requirements.
Bottomline ~ if i were buying, i would stick to etios. Why?
These are purely my views
better sales experience
better after sales experience
better reliability (now this is going by toyota previous standards, ofcourse the etios will have to prove itself)
also to add that maintaining toyota cars are very pocket friendly.
Everyone will have their own opinion. This is mine.
Cheers
drive safe!

Toyota has brought old gen platforms like qualis, innova etc. and did not give any cost benefits to the indian consumer. Just imagine the price difference between Innova and Frotuner though they share same platform. So where Ford was able to pass on some of the cost savings to the consumer Toyota was not able to.

mdsaab · 29th March 2011, 10:06

Very valid point there. not entirely sure on this one, but is it because the fortuner is a ckd and the taxes levied are on the higher side.

Sridhar K · 30th March 2011, 09:52

Isn't Etios based on the Toyota Echo? If yes, it should be comparable to Ford Figo from a product perspective.

gshanky · 30th March 2011, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Sridhar K

Isn't Etios based on the Toyota Echo? If yes, it should be comparable to Ford Figo from a product perspective.

Etios is a new platform for making budget cars and it is not comparable to Figo because Figo was built on an old platform. New platform or old platform -it is a question of bottomlines and margins.

mohandas · 31st March 2011, 00:09

^^^ I don't think that is right. It is indeed an ECHO platform. One of those review videos posted on Youtube has mentioned this. It even referred the code name of the original platform. Can you cite your reference please?

gshanky · 31st March 2011, 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mohandas

^^^ I don't think that is right. It is indeed an ECHO platform. One of those review videos posted on Youtube has mentioned this. It even referred the code name of the original platform. Can you cite your reference please?

Check this out:
Toyota Etios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...858446966.html

26th March 2011, 14:16	#107
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? I will vote for Etios the day I can digest its looks. I can't stand the way that....THING... looks. Interiors included. And yes, I repeat for the Nth time, Logan eats it for breakfast when it comes to interior ride comfort and engine reliability. I am comparing a diesel to a petrol but then they stack up neck to neck in real market conditions.
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26th March 2011, 15:21	#108
mdsaab Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,624 Thanked: 453 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? Just wanted to point out that the etios is toyotas first attempt at a vehicle in this price range, so sure there are going to be a few hits and misses with the etios which will probably be ironed out in future variants. But toyota has researched the market needs in this segment very well and have done their best to provide something which will suit prospective buyers to the T. Pretty much like how ford has managed to do so with the figo. Really hitting the nail spot on. So my vote continues to stay with the etios
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26th March 2011, 18:03	#109
musicmanaman BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kolkata Posts: 927 Thanked: 25 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? I went to the TATA showroom today, just to check out the deals going on the Nano, the car that impressed me the most amoung all cars there was the Manza, the space is simply fantastic the comfort is unparallel, I even found the over all seating more comfortable than the Aria. If I had to pick a car in that class, I would definetely go with the Diesel Manza.
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27th March 2011, 09:23	#111
mdsaab Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,624 Thanked: 453 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? Well as i said before tata has done well to improve on the indica/vista/manza models. When launched first the indica was truly offered more car per car. And continues to do so offering class leading space in their respective classes. But i am looking from a wider perspective. When i choose to buy a car i want the whole experience to be wow/fantastic/memorable. I have had horrible experiences with tata dealerships just on the sales front. Have stood around like a monkey waiting for someone to help me. Then after getting attended to, the attitude as well as lack of connect with the customer really left a bad tastr in my mouth. Even after all this you will be shocked to know i did not even step into forget test drive the vehicle intended. Did they give me a call later to find out if i liked the car. NO they didnt bother to nor did they care. So i thought to myself hey, if the sales experience is going to be pathetic im sure the after sales is going to be a nightmare. Others may have different experiences and ofcourse good ones too. But i have had two dealership level distasteful experiences which has kept me away from tata cars. Please note that in no way am i saying tata does not make great vehicles. Or that sales or service will always be bad from tata. These views are due to my personal experiences. I did go to check out the etios at the showroom and my experience with toyota has always been good. On one occasion when the sales staff were busy attending other customers. The manger himself came to show and explain the features of the intended vehicles. Also some might feel that comparing toyota with tata might be a little unfair when we compare the volumes. But hey, i have had only good experiences with maruti as well as hyundai too. Both are volume players too.
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28th March 2011, 11:27	#114
mdsaab Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,624 Thanked: 453 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? Ok first need to confirm is the etios/liva platform new for india? Because if i am not mistaken the figo is built on an existing platform available to ford in india. So i think ford has managed to offer much more in terms of features etc as the platform costs were lower. This is how i feel about it. Anyways we know the japs always like to charge us more. But still toyota has not gone the honda way. Also i think they have given us good products like the innova, just look at the build quality. And some of the components are over engineered for india. So to bring costs down toyota has refrained from using over engineered components in the etios and stuck to india specific requirements. Bottomline ~ if i were buying, i would stick to etios. Why? These are purely my views better sales experience better after sales experience better reliability (now this is going by toyota previous standards, ofcourse the etios will have to prove itself) also to add that maintaining toyota cars are very pocket friendly. Everyone will have their own opinion. This is mine. Cheers drive safe!
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29th March 2011, 10:06	#116
mdsaab Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,624 Thanked: 453 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? Very valid point there. not entirely sure on this one, but is it because the fortuner is a ckd and the taxes levied are on the higher side.
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30th March 2011, 09:52	#117
Sridhar K BHPian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Chennai Posts: 725 Thanked: 468 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? Isn't Etios based on the Toyota Echo? If yes, it should be comparable to Ford Figo from a product perspective.
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31st March 2011, 00:09	#119
mohandas BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 266 Thanked: 27 Times	Re: Toyota Etios or Tata Manza? ^^^ I don't think that is right. It is indeed an ECHO platform. One of those review videos posted on Youtube has mentioned this. It even referred the code name of the original platform. Can you cite your reference please?
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