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Originally Posted by drmohitg I totally agree with that. Manza blew me away too. The space is humongous specially at the back. The only grudge is the sad quality at some places like the Usb and Aux cover. Yuck! What were they thinking when they put that?
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I even checked the Aria while I was in the showroom and happened to notice huge gaps everywhere between the body panels. How can you not put a car together decently in 2011? Is it that difficult? The sales person sheepishly said - "Its TATA!".
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Sorry if it sounded like a Tata bashing post. The intention is not that. But as a customer you feel frustrated because Manza's space is unmatched. But these small niggling issues have to become a thing of the past. Unless then I am going to stick to the Japs and the Koreans! |
What had me taken aback was how the feel-good factor was SO much better in a Tata vehicle as compared to a Toyota, in the same segment.
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The Tata Story - Some thoughts
I see a lot of people being quite frustrated with Tata vehicles. At times, it happens to me too. More so when they make spacious vehicles (@vb, norules- more about the 'spacious' bit in another post) which suit me but then they have some shortcoming one finds hard to accept.
Tata vehicles usually give that solid-take-anywhere type of feel. The kind you don't get from Japanese and Korean ones. They also are pretty frugal, especially when one considers their interior space and weight. They also usually have the most comfortable interiors (Indigo/Indica, Manza/Vista, Safari, Aria?, Sienna-remember that one?). The finish has improved by a HUGE margin - just enter the Manza Elan without any bias of it being a Tata/desi vehicle. And to feel it more, enter it after entering an Etios! They are also usually cheap to maintain.
Now what it also has is niggles. Most stories are of niggles, not breakdowns. Even the famed German cars break down [ I think I posted this it before too -
link ]. We just seemed to be culturally biased towards some stuff. It is the Japs who have reliable performance, followed by the Koreans at some distance. Tata also has inconsistent finish. But I'd anyday live with some bit of the cabin with slightly poorer finish and quality for the seat and cabin comfort.
Tata has a lot of basics right. They need to be more refined for sure.
Now, why don't they do it? I remember this short talk I had with someone who was the proud owner of a Safari and when he had complained to someone from Tata about quality -
Why can't you make better cars, with better finish et all?
Sir, we can, but would you be willing to pay 25-30% over what you pay now? Would you not have bought an Endevour or some other SUV then?
Ah yes! Now imagine Tata cars at a 20-30% higher cost. Even if they had a better finish et all, we would probably not choose them.
Tata has been smart. They have kept costs low, provided the basics right on many counts (Nano, not withstanding), provided a built-for-bad-Indian roads sorta vehicles which are
practical. And they have tapped a big section of the market,
despite their shortcomings and are doing quite well. I appreciate Tata for this, despite my frustrations.
Heck! Even the biggest manufacturer in the world is trying to emulate them on some counts - look at the Etios!
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Originally Posted by NoRules The Chevy mechanic came back to Hyderabad today and gave his feedback:
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Presently I am negotiating with Orange auto and KUN. The best offer stands at 10.63 lakhs + freebies. |
Thanks for sharing the inside info from the Halol plant mate. It should build confidence in some who are on the fence.
How much discount does it work out to?
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Originally Posted by vb-san Poitive, on a separate note; you have TD-ed quite a lot of the cars in this segment as a part of your search. Each car has had its own strengths as a product. e.g.; Linea for ride & handling. Fiesta for the fun-to-drive factor, Optra for the space and diesel engine etc. Since you have driven the new Verna as well, can you point on its USP as a product? The overall looks maybe one, but anything other than that? |
Fluidic Verna - For people who mainly use the front seat, normally don't travel at more than 80kmph and aren't much into driving hard (guess it would be about 70-85% of people who use the car largely in the city) - It is the best diesel around (barring probably the Optra!!! LOL). The USP, if I have to put it that way - smooth petrol like, easy to drive experience with a very smooth engine. The Engine! Yes!! The Engine!!!
@VB, am contemplating
writing on selection of cars in this segment. On what is likely to suit which needs. If I do end up writing it, you will get more detailed answers on this. In case you have have any specific querry in the meantime, I'll try to answer to my limited abilities.
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Originally Posted by NoRules I am not even sure why I never thought about the Fiat Linea. Have nothing against it except I dislike the snub nosed front looks.
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Will check it out today / tomorrow. |
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Originally Posted by bansal98 Of all the cars being discussed (< 12L sedans), I find Linea to be the best-looking of the lot, esp in that dark, maroon-ish color. If it came with Vento's diesel engine, I would have bought it long ago. It just looks majestic. |
I too never really liked the Linea from the front. Yes, the same snubbed nose. But when I see it from the rear, and to an extent from the side, it blows me away. Especially in the Maroon/Wine colour, quite like Bansal.
How we all would like to pluck one part from one car to another to build a DIY car!!! The Optra notwithstanding, I'd take the front of the Fluidic's cabin, the rear from the Manza, steering from the Verna, suspension/chassis from the New Fiesta, the Steering from the Linea, diesel engine from the Fluidic again! And surprisingly, Overall, besides the cabin's headroom, the Vento may come closest to the overall package. But that was with the Optra out of the list
@NoRules - Would look forward to your report on the Linea